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Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date
Reply #15 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 3:51pm

Australia should repudiate the UN entirely, it serves little good, has done nothing for Australia at all, and has cost squillions of dollars doing that.
Whatever the good intentions involved in it's foundation, it's now nothing more than a supremely expensive, self-serving and pointless bloated bureaucracy, it's health and disaster relief functions could easily be separated and handled by a small co-coordinating body, nothing else it does has any real worth at all, and it's attempts are always spectacular failures. Cool

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Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date
Reply #16 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 3:54pm

Rhet-Oracle wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 3:45pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 3:41pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 3:31pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 3:25pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

Been my opinion for quite a while that it is time to amend or to abandon it. We are quite capable of making our own sovereign decisions on the subject.

It has always been my very public position that it has forever been an option for Abbott to repudiate, and if he did, he would shut me up in an instant. Why doesn't he repudiate, Grendel, and rid himself forever of condemnation that he may not be abiding by it?

Because it is not his or Liberal policy.... Roll Eyes

Why don't you suggest it to Clive and the rest of the PUPies... oh yeah he wants to fly them all in here doesn't he.

It was not his policy to breach so many election promises either, so a repudiation of the Convention ought be well within his stride.

(No emoticon was mis-used in the making of this Post.)

Aren't you straying from the title of this thread?

Not at all. I agree that if we don't like to be reminded of our agreed international obligations and be required to discharge them, best thing to do is repudiate the Convention, something which can easily be done.

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Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date
Reply #17 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 3:58pm

austranger wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

Australia should repudiate the UN entirely, it serves little good, has done nothing for Australia at all, and has cost squillions of dollars doing that.
Whatever the good intentions involved in it's foundation, it's now nothing more than a supremely expensive, self-serving and pointless bloated bureaucracy, it's health and disaster relief functions could easily be separated and handled by a small co-coordinating body, nothing else it does has any real worth at all, and it's attempts are always spectacular failures. Cool

I wonder why Abbott does not just withdraw, wot? Do you reckon it's because Julie presently chairs the Security Council and gets a fantastic car-park in New York?

Or perhaps there are other less superficial reasons to retain Membership of the UN and not repudiate the Convention?

Just asking.

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Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date
Reply #18 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 4:04pm

austranger wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

Australia should repudiate the UN entirely, it serves little good, has done nothing for Australia at all, and has cost squillions of dollars doing that.
Whatever the good intentions involved in it's foundation, it's now nothing more than a supremely expensive, self-serving and pointless bloated bureaucracy, it's health and disaster relief functions could easily be separated and handled by a small co-coordinating body, nothing else it does has any real worth at all, and it's attempts are always spectacular failures. Cool

And it is largely populated by corrupt officials from the 3rd world.

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Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date
Reply #19 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 4:06pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 3:58pm:

austranger wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

Australia should repudiate the UN entirely, it serves little good, has done nothing for Australia at all, and has cost squillions of dollars doing that.
Whatever the good intentions involved in it's foundation, it's now nothing more than a supremely expensive, self-serving and pointless bloated bureaucracy, it's health and disaster relief functions could easily be separated and handled by a small co-coordinating body, nothing else it does has any real worth at all, and it's attempts are always spectacular failures. Cool

I wonder why Abbott does not just withdraw, wot? Do you reckon it's because Julie presently chairs the Security Council and gets a fantastic car-park in New York?

Or perhaps there are other less superficial reasons to retain Membership of the UN and not repudiate the Convention?

Just asking.

You should try actually reading posts in topics before commenting then. Because the opening post often answers questions as well as leading to them.

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Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date
Reply #20 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 4:08pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 3:58pm:

austranger wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

Australia should repudiate the UN entirely, it serves little good, has done nothing for Australia at all, and has cost squillions of dollars doing that.
Whatever the good intentions involved in it's foundation, it's now nothing more than a supremely expensive, self-serving and pointless bloated bureaucracy, it's health and disaster relief functions could easily be separated and handled by a small co-coordinating body, nothing else it does has any real worth at all, and it's attempts are always spectacular failures. Cool

I wonder why Abbott does not just withdraw, wot? Do you reckon it's because Julie presently chairs the Security Council and gets a fantastic car-park in New York?

Or perhaps there are other less superficial reasons to retain Membership of the UN and not repudiate the Convention?

Just asking.

I've no idea why we remain involved, it's counter-intuitive.
I suspect that quitting would be surprisingly popular with Australians if it's failings and the true huge costs involved were laid out honestly for all to see. Cool

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Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date
Reply #21 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 4:32pm

austranger wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 4:08pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 3:58pm:

austranger wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

Australia should repudiate the UN entirely, it serves little good, has done nothing for Australia at all, and has cost squillions of dollars doing that.
Whatever the good intentions involved in it's foundation, it's now nothing more than a supremely expensive, self-serving and pointless bloated bureaucracy, it's health and disaster relief functions could easily be separated and handled by a small co-coordinating body, nothing else it does has any real worth at all, and it's attempts are always spectacular failures. Cool

I wonder why Abbott does not just withdraw, wot? Do you reckon it's because Julie presently chairs the Security Council and gets a fantastic car-park in New York?

Or perhaps there are other less superficial reasons to retain Membership of the UN and not repudiate the Convention?

Just asking.

I've no idea why we remain involved, it's counter-intuitive.
I suspect that quitting would be surprisingly popular with Australians if it's failings and the true huge costs involved were laid out honestly for all to see. Cool

Yes, cost is always more important than human life Roll Eyes

(And if it stops those tinted people coming here, all the better).

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date Reply #22 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 4:37pm Quote: * The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date Greg Sheridan, Foreign editor So because the women bashers male lover says it's out of date the conga line of intellectually challenged believe it's true, ROTFLMAO
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Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date
Reply #23 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 4:42pm

skippy. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 4:37pm:

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* The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date Greg Sheridan, Foreign editor

So because the women bashers male lover says it's out of date the conga line of intellectually challenged believe it's true, ROTFLMAO Grin

Yes, it was one of the funnier posts of the day.

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date Reply #24 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 4:51pm Of course its out of date coz it makes Abbott and Morrison look like a racist ar$eholes
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156670 Gender:	Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date Reply #25 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 4:53pm adelcrow wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 4:51pm: Of course its out of date coz it makes Abbott and Morrison look like a racist ar$eholes Yes. Not ignoring the fact that Abort and Morriscum are racist arseholes.
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Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date
Reply #26 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 4:56pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 4:53pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 4:51pm:

Of course its out of date coz it makes Abbott and Morrison look like a racist ar$eholes

Yes. Not ignoring the fact that Abort and Morriscum are racist arseholes.

I dont see how that can be true because they both deny being racist just like Rolf Harris denies diddling little girls..so they must be telling the truth Cheesy

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Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date
Reply #27 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:02pm

The only reason I can see for repudiating it would be in order to pander to the blatant
racists who support our current convention-violating mistreatment of asylum-seekers
and who wish to avoid international scrutiny and censure for doing so.

Under NO circumstances would I support repudiation of this convention.

On the contrary, I'd strongly oppose doing so. Why would I support the facilitation of
human rights abuses to the very perpetrators of such abuses?

IN charge? Abbott and Morrison should BE charged.

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austranger Gold Member Offline Opinionated Sod Posts: 1506 adelaide Gender:	Re: The UN Refugee Convention/Protocol is out of date Reply #28 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:13pm Hmmm, I notice there's no discussion re' the uselessness of the UN in general, only abuse and reiteration of the ideological purpose behind that particular convention, also ignoring it's failures and the problems it causes for Australia. Religious much?
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Reply #29 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:19pm

Then re-negotiate it with the UN.... until then the rules apply.

I don't see anyone accepting that people smugglers as such are worthy or some kind of active positive mover in refugee issues - they are an aberration and only flourish in the event of breakdown of the accepted and approved measures already in place.

If Australia and Indonesia would come to some agreement on proper onshore processing in Indonesia or Australia itself - there might be a discussion point - until then, Senator.. there is nothing to discuss..

My party is prepared to offer potential refugees an opportunity to earn citizenship by service n the GAIA projects at normal pay rates and conditions.... that will ensure that they at least have some training and a little cash with which to return home should they be rejected... and they will be sufficiently remote from the majority of Australians during the time of development of those projects to ensure that mothers in their beds will not be terrified of them!

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