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Reply #135 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:25pm
 
And all those other factors just happen to be a part of the same race as well.
Gee what a coincidence .

You could be onto something here Brian  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #136 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:37pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:08pm:
.... No, I point out that you are wilfully refusing to recognise the validity of the argument because it does not fit your preconceived notions of what causes something.  You attribute it to "race".  I attribute it to other factors. 


Oh, for heaven's sake!

Say I agree with you and say that it's awful that people can't get along with each because they're bigoted and extremist in their attitudes.

Because in your world they shouldn't. Violence is only a 'social construct' that serves no purpose.

What do you propose to do to prevent violence between all the bigoted groups of extremists with opposing attitudes?

I mean RIGHT NOW!

You've all the answers, haven't you?

(without violent means, of course)



The world will be a better place in .....


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Reply #137 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:32pm
 
Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:08pm:
.... No, I point out that you are wilfully refusing to recognise the validity of the argument because it does not fit your preconceived notions of what causes something.  You attribute it to "race".  I attribute it to other factors. 


Oh, for heaven's sake!

Say I agree with you and say that it's awful that people can't get along with each because they're bigoted and extremist in their attitudes.

Because in your world they shouldn't. Violence is only a 'social construct' that serves no purpose.

What do you propose to do to prevent violence between all the bigoted groups of extremists with opposing attitudes?

I mean RIGHT NOW!

You've all the answers, haven't you?

(without violent means, of course)



The world will be a better place in .....


Cool


I offer no quick fixes, Lionel.   I do not believe these issues can be resolved "RIGHT NOW".   Indeed, one of the problems is that some people believe that complex problems can be solved easily.  Are you one, Lionel?

Education is the long term solution, Lionel.  Enlighten people, shine the light of knowledge and understanding should flow.  Let them keep themselves ignorant and the only thing they develop is more ignorance.

Even you'd admit I've been working on the education bit...  Wink
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Reply #138 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:33pm
 
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:25pm:
And all those other factors just happen to be a part of the same race as well.
Gee what a coincidence .

You could be onto something here Brian  Grin Grin Grin


"correlation does not denote causation", Matty.   Roll Eyes
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Re: Multiculturalism is an anti-Western ideology
Reply #139 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:54pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:33pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:25pm:
And all those other factors just happen to be a part of the same race as well.
Gee what a coincidence .

You could be onto something here Brian  Grin Grin Grin


"correlation does not denote causation", Matty.   Roll Eyes



Grin Grin Grin
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Re: Multiculturalism is an anti-Western ideology
Reply #140 - Jul 13th, 2014 at 1:37am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:33pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:25pm:
And all those other factors just happen to be a part of the same race as well.
Gee what a coincidence .

You could be onto something here Brian  Grin Grin Grin


"correlation does not denote causation", Matty.   Roll Eyes


Yes, that’s what they taught the old boy at the prestigious University of Balogney.

The tinted races, you see, are genetically inferior by virtue of their correlation - a statistical aberration relating to their cultural backwardness, subnormal intelligence, sexual inversion, criminal deviance, psycho-pathology, etc, etc, etc. There’s a formula somewhere - the old boy should know it.

They didn’t write the Bible, invent the steam engine, or come up with one Shakespeare, Wordsworth or Coleridge in 1400 years. All they did was sit around eating figs and sodomizing each other while we did all the work.

And now that we’ve made something of ourselves, they want to invade us, bring us down to their level and spoil our fun.

They’re just a bunch of dirty rotters, the lot of them. Statistically speaking. It’s their fault, of course. They only have themselves to blame.

The old boy’s studied all this. Ask him for a list of references - he should be able to point you in the right direction.
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Reply #141 - Jul 13th, 2014 at 2:49am
 
It's pretty sad that you invest the time to write all these posts Kamel and all you can do is try and be a smart ass and you never contribute anything.
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Reply #142 - Jul 13th, 2014 at 2:56am
 
Yes, Matty, but do you mean sad in a causative sense, or something entirely different?

Try to be specific.
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Reply #143 - Jul 13th, 2014 at 12:10pm
 
Oh, Karnal contributes a great deal, I believe, Matty.   He is amusing and his witty commentary places the comments of bigots and racists in context, way out there in the outfield where only the loons play.   Grin
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Reply #144 - Jul 13th, 2014 at 7:16pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:08pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 6:34pm:
What you are trying to present is that our perception that beheading someone on youtube in the name of Allah, or killing a white jogger for 'fun' by three black teenagers is seen as abhorrent only because of our abhorrence is a social construct and other people could view these events as OK and there is no objective way to differentiate between people who say these are abhorrent acts and the people who say they are OK because it's all just social construct.


Yet you are now moving away from genetics towards social behaviour, Soren and last time I looked, most people agree social behaviour is a "social construct".

Further, there is an old saying in statistics which you seem unwilling to accept - "correlation does not denote causation".   You may discover a strong correlation between "race" and behaviour BUT there may be another factor which you have not noticed or are wilfully ignoring because it does not suit your preconceptions.  My Statistic teachers were always very careful about describing something as being the cause of something, because of that.

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And when there is more Muslim violence and more black violence, it is verboten to observe that there is a pattern here. Noticing trends, you would say, is a social construct.


No, there is nothing wrong with noticing trends or patterns.  Attributing their causes to say a broad religion or to the colour of a person's skin is wrong though, because again, correlation does not denote causation.   Roll Eyes

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You do not say that your reflex PC blindness to any patterns is then also a social construct. No. Your views are insights into objective truths. You are completely blind to the obvious - your argument's first casualty is your own argument.


I am not blind to patterns, Soren.  However, I am much more careful than racists and refuse to believe that the colour of a person's skin predetermines them to being violent.   Roll Eyes

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So insytead of being able to self-reflect a little, you get pouty when I point out how idiotic your argument for 'perception is social construct' is.


No, I point out that you are wilfully refusing to recognise the validity of the argument because it does not fit your preconceived notions of what causes something.  You attribute it to "race".  I attribute it to other factors.   Roll Eyes



What makes Muslims commit blood curdling savagery in the name of Islam, or what makes blacks disproportionately more criminal than others?

Their cultures.

Does their tintedness lead to their inferior cultures? WHo cares. They have inferior cultures. Any white who adapts the Bludgahadeen culture or the gangsta culture automatically degrade themselves.

Equally, Arabs or blacks can adapt Western civilisation and be greatly improved individuals because of that.


Western civilisation is created by whites but it is a universal culture, open to all, benefiting all who embrace it.

Most tinted people know this and but some resent it and so stick with the inferior culture of their race -and that is the real racism, sticking with the blood and the soil.

Post-colonial Africa is a living example of this, if you needed an example.
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Reply #145 - Jul 13th, 2014 at 8:06pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 9:38pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 9:36pm:
You have no idea either. Here was an opportunity for both of you to present a coherent point but neither of you can manage it. Neither of you can EVER manage it. It's not within your capabilities to be coherent.

Game over. Thank you linesmen, than you ball boys.




Too late, Soren.

Sorry, old boy.



I know. It's always too late for you to be coherent.

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Reply #146 - Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:56pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 7:16pm:
What makes Muslims commit blood curdling savagery in the name of Islam, or what makes blacks disproportionately more criminal than others?

Their cultures.


Funny and there I was talking about "race", not "culture", Soren.

Moving the goalposts again? 

When black people are discussed by racists, it is invariably all about the issue of "race".

Which black culture are you talking about?  Black African?  West, East, sub-Saharan or Southern African cultures (to be fairly broad).  What about West Indian?  Which bit of the West Indies, the culture of Jamaica is substantially different to the culture say, of my ancestral homeland, St.Kitts.  Then we have South American black culture and North American black culture - which one are we discussing?  Then you have Southern Indian black culture.   Are they all identical, Soren?

No, you're not racist, are you?   Roll Eyes

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Does their tintedness lead to their inferior cultures? WHo cares.


Racists do.  Ask a racist what they consider the cause of the violence of Black people and they'll tell you it's because of their "race" - the colour of their skin essentially.  You claim not to care but in reality you're talking quite a racist talk there, Soren.

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They have inferior cultures.


According to whom?  How do you measure "culture", Soren to determine whether one is inferior or another superior?  Is it how pale the skin of the practitioners is?   Roll Eyes

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Any white who adapts the Bludgahadeen culture or the gangsta culture automatically degrade themselves.


Do they?  According to whom?  You?  You're hardly objective on the issue, now are you, Soren?   Roll Eyes

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Equally, Arabs or blacks can adapt Western civilisation and be greatly improved individuals because of that.


Will they be accepted though, by the likes of you?  I really wonder...   Roll Eyes

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Western civilisation is created by whites but it is a universal culture, open to all, benefiting all who embrace it.


Is it?  If you the comments of say, Herbie for long enough, it doesn't matter what culture a person practices as compared to what the colour of that person's skin is...   Roll Eyes

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Most tinted people know this and but some resent it and so stick with the inferior culture of their race -and that is the real racism, sticking with the blood and the soil.

Post-colonial Africa is a living example of this, if you needed an example.


Again, how do you measure culture, Soren?  Is there an internationally recognised standard so we can determine how inferior or superior a given culture is?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #147 - Jul 13th, 2014 at 10:02pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:56pm:
Again, how do you measure culture, Soren?  Is there an internationally recognised standard so we can determine how inferior or superior a given culture is?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Soren's internationally recognised standard is all we need.

If it's different to Soren's "culture", it's inferior.  How easy is that?!

He's lived his entire life according to that rule, and he turned out just fine.


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Reply #148 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 6:34am
 
When I was a teenager, I saw those snow monkeys in Japan having a relax in their Japanese hot pools.

Every now and then a fight would break out between those in the pools against certain other snow monkeys, who'd been braving the chill conditions near the pools, sitting huddled to keep warm and had attempted to take a dip in the hot water.

I was told that dominant monkeys, would only tolerate their own, same status, individuals and their offspring in the bath.

It made me mad and I imagined myself rounding up those dominant monkeys and putting them in a cage so the 'lesser' individuals could have a hot water relax too.

Leaving Darwin aside, I thought that'd be the fair and right thing to do.

Course, it soon occurred to me that, if it were true that dominant monkeys run the baths, then once the 'lesser' monkeys got control of the pools, soon enough dominant monkeys in the lesser tribe would be tossing out the lesser-lesser monkeys...

The whole exercise of my bringing justice to snow monkeys would have been subverted by Darwinian instinct and, therefore, pointless.

I remember thinking later, thank god humans don't act like monkeys.
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Reply #149 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 8:28am
 
Soren wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 7:16pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:08pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 6:34pm:
What you are trying to present is that our perception that beheading someone on youtube in the name of Allah, or killing a white jogger for 'fun' by three black teenagers is seen as abhorrent only because of our abhorrence is a social construct and other people could view these events as OK and there is no objective way to differentiate between people who say these are abhorrent acts and the people who say they are OK because it's all just social construct.


Yet you are now moving away from genetics towards social behaviour, Soren and last time I looked, most people agree social behaviour is a "social construct".

Further, there is an old saying in statistics which you seem unwilling to accept - "correlation does not denote causation".   You may discover a strong correlation between "race" and behaviour BUT there may be another factor which you have not noticed or are wilfully ignoring because it does not suit your preconceptions.  My Statistic teachers were always very careful about describing something as being the cause of something, because of that.

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And when there is more Muslim violence and more black violence, it is verboten to observe that there is a pattern here. Noticing trends, you would say, is a social construct.


No, there is nothing wrong with noticing trends or patterns.  Attributing their causes to say a broad religion or to the colour of a person's skin is wrong though, because again, correlation does not denote causation.   Roll Eyes

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You do not say that your reflex PC blindness to any patterns is then also a social construct. No. Your views are insights into objective truths. You are completely blind to the obvious - your argument's first casualty is your own argument.


I am not blind to patterns, Soren.  However, I am much more careful than racists and refuse to believe that the colour of a person's skin predetermines them to being violent.   Roll Eyes

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So insytead of being able to self-reflect a little, you get pouty when I point out how idiotic your argument for 'perception is social construct' is.


No, I point out that you are wilfully refusing to recognise the validity of the argument because it does not fit your preconceived notions of what causes something.  You attribute it to "race".  I attribute it to other factors.   Roll Eyes


Western civilisation is created by whites but it is a universal culture, open to all, benefiting all who embrace it.



That’s right, old chap - as long as they do it in the privacy of their own back passages and well away from us, eh?

Oh - and as long as they do it within our rules, don’t ask too many questions, and continue to deliver the goods on time.

Marvellous stuff, old boy. You’ve done it again.
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