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Reply #75 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:23pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 7:58pm:

Jesus, what's so hard about it!

We won, they lost, so drink a big cup of cement, harden the f-up and get on with it!

We've already said sorry, there's no work in the bush (whether you're black OR white) and school doesn't prepare you for the real world.

Let's face it, if you live in Kikatinalong, you'll never get a job irrespective of colour. If you're over 50, it's unlikely you'll get another job - irrespective of colour.

Welcome to the real world.

Sheesh!

In a nutshell ~ us and them rather than a united culture.
We are a divided country and until we take steps to repair this, no solution will ever be found.

Abbott has been searching for his children overboard knife ... refugees, unemployed, muslims, and now Aboriginals. Thats because Abbott will never be a great leader, he it only a great opposition PM.

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Reply #77 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:15pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:52pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:30pm:

Gee! Just like the colonisation of Europe, the Americas, England before it became Britain or the UK, Spain, Germany, China - etc.

Key difference, the indigenous population in those other countries are not still suffering as a result of the invasions.

Remedying the suffering of the Aborigines is directly related to acknowledging and addressing the enormous destruction wrought by the invasion and occupation of their land.

In short, Tony's comments just perpetuates the problem.

Oh, so it was all roses before whitey turned up? Romantic fantasy. Theır life was barbaric and violent.

and now it's not?

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #78 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:53pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 7:43pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:09pm:

Dear Tony,

We owe our existence to an invasion of an occupied Land, easy military defeat of the Natives, appalling subsequent treatment of them, and British Colonisation.

Yours faithfully,

Aussie.

Feel free to hand over your house and land and disposable income every week to some Abo's.

Good point, Mistie. The trendies should hand it all over to the Abos.

The Abos can then hand it all over to the mining companies.

And the mining companies can sell it all to the Chinese.

I agree. We’re patriots, no?

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Reply #79 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:00pm

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ian wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 7:17pm:

____ wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 6:42pm:

You along with Abbott are classifying unsettled in very narrow westernised terms.
Aboriginals were prior invasion, more evolved than current Australians.

of course they were, marrying 8 year old girls, killing infants as a method of population control, circumcision practises which agonisingly killed 1 in 10. Mass extermination of species due to hunting practises which basically involved starting bushfires to catch their prey. No written language, no wheel, never invented any musical instrument because they couldnt work out to put holes in a hollowed out tree limb. At least housing was cheap.

40,000 plus years on a functioning society on the board compared to 200 years and a major extinction occurring around us, a spiritually vacant and divided society to boot.

40,000 years of stagnation and zero progress. If this is so noble why dont you go and live that lifestyle. I hope you arent over the age of 26 because that was the average life expectancy before colonisation. Oh yes, and expect to die with various horrible illnesses including parasitinal infestation, veneral disease, etc. etc. bad luck if you have any children born when the population was a bit too high for their limited resources because they would have been killed. what a noble lifestyle they were living for 40,000 years.

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Reply #80 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:01pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:15pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:52pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:30pm:

Gee! Just like the colonisation of Europe, the Americas, England before it became Britain or the UK, Spain, Germany, China - etc.

Key difference, the indigenous population in those other countries are not still suffering as a result of the invasions.

Remedying the suffering of the Aborigines is directly related to acknowledging and addressing the enormous destruction wrought by the invasion and occupation of their land.

In short, Tony's comments just perpetuates the problem.

Oh, so it was all roses before whitey turned up? Romantic fantasy. Theır life was barbaric and violent.

and now it's not?

Now they have a choice, guess which one they choose.

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Reply #81 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:04pm

ian wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:15pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:52pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:30pm:

Gee! Just like the colonisation of Europe, the Americas, England before it became Britain or the UK, Spain, Germany, China - etc.

Key difference, the indigenous population in those other countries are not still suffering as a result of the invasions.

Remedying the suffering of the Aborigines is directly related to acknowledging and addressing the enormous destruction wrought by the invasion and occupation of their land.

In short, Tony's comments just perpetuates the problem.

Oh, so it was all roses before whitey turned up? Romantic fantasy. Theır life was barbaric and violent.

and now it's not?

Now they have a choice, guess which one they choose.

Irrelevant to the Thread. It is about Abbott's grasp of history, not the Aboriginals.

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Reply #83 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:08pm

ian wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:00pm:

____ wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 7:24pm:

ian wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 7:17pm:

____ wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 6:42pm:

You along with Abbott are classifying unsettled in very narrow westernised terms.
Aboriginals were prior invasion, more evolved than current Australians.

of course they were, marrying 8 year old girls, killing infants as a method of population control, circumcision practises which agonisingly killed 1 in 10. Mass extermination of species due to hunting practises which basically involved starting bushfires to catch their prey. No written language, no wheel, never invented any musical instrument because they couldnt work out to put holes in a hollowed out tree limb. At least housing was cheap.

40,000 plus years on a functioning society on the board compared to 200 years and a major extinction occurring around us, a spiritually vacant and divided society to boot.

40,000 years of stagnation and zero progress. If this is so noble why dont you go and live that lifestyle. I hope you arent over the age of 26 because that was the average life expectancy before colonisation. Oh yes, and expect to die with various horrible illnesses including parasitinal infestation, veneral disease, etc. etc. bad luck if you have any children born when the population was a bit too high for their limited resources because they would have been killed. what a noble lifestyle they were living for 40,000 years.

Wouldn't get too high and might yet considering we are rushing headfirst into antibiotic resistances.

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Reply #84 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:11pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 7:06pm:

I'm very proud of my country's colonisation of the world and how we brought civilisation to far flung lands.
Britain has a very proud Imperial history of which Australia is a part.

Good with me thanks.

So you are saying now that you are not Australian?

If you are a Australian what part of the world did we colonize?

So why do you keep lying and say you were born in Melbourne?

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Abbott Claims Oz Unsettled B4 British Reply #85 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:13pm 40,000 years of stagnant progress. Do you think their life expectancy would be any higher if we added another 200 years to the 40,000? You think they would have invented penicillin?
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Reply #86 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:16pm

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Wouldn't get too high and might yet considering we are rushing headfirst into antibiotic resistances.
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still increasing, looking at history and the tendency for our culture to invent new techology I am not particularly worried about antibiotic resistance. Within 10 years we will be using completly different methods based on nano technology.

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Reply #87 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:21pm

ian wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:13pm:

40,000 years of stagnant progress. Do you think their life expectancy would be any higher if we added another 200 years to the 40,000? You think they would have invented penicillin?

Life expectancy has risen in every country in the world since 1788.

Penicillin was cultivated by American scientists in the 1940s. Antibiotics are now in every country.

Do you think Aborigines would not have modernised along with every other population in the Asia-Pacific region?

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Reply #88 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:23pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 7:41pm:

OldnCrusty wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 7:32pm:

____ wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 7:14pm:

Your queen apologies for the atrocities committed against my people. Seems she isn't as proud as you are.

How long before Aboriginals receive a similar apology.

You can give the aboriginals as many specific and heartfelt apologies as you like and they'll have five minutes with a warm inner glow and wake to the same problems they have now.

You can give the aboriginals a $1mil each and they'll have five minutes with a warm inner glow and wake to the same problems they have now.

I want all Australians to be happy and successful. This current Us and Them history, the Racist whites versus the Good Peaceful Bush Custodian Aboriginal diatribe is not helpful. The truth of the matter it is just part of the human story with all its human failing. Build a bridge and get over it; address the current issues, fix the current issues and move on.

I'm not going to enter that debate because I have no solution, but ~ that post demonstrates how utterly retrograde and destructive were Abbott's comments of today.

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"I guess our country owes its existence to a form of foreign investment by the British government in the then unsettled or, um, scarcely settled, Great South Land.

In a single sentence, he has put whatever the process is into reverse and turfed it all back prior to when Rudd made that appropriate apology speech. Next I expect he, like Howard, will make some stupid comment denying there was ever a 'stolen generation.'

Heck, maybe he'll even legislate to overturn the Mabo decision. Who knows what this extremist is capable of?

Well now you really are talking out your arse... how about after admitting you are clueless just shutting up.
As for reversing Mabo that also may be a good idea but not on Abbott's personal agenda as he wants Aborigines included in the Constitution.
1/ The Mabo decision was flawed due to the idiot historian Reynold's views being accepted as true.
2/ If Abbott has a referendum on Constitutional change to include aborigines as a separate people in it... I'll be voting NO. As far as I'm concerned we are all AUSTRALIANS... we are already all included in the Constitution.

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Reply #89 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:23pm

John S wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:11pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 7:06pm:

I'm very proud of my country's colonisation of the world and how we brought civilisation to far flung lands.
Britain has a very proud Imperial history of which Australia is a part.

Good with me thanks.

So you are saying now that you are not Australian?

If you are a Australian what part of the world did we colonize?

So why do you keep lying and say you were born in Melbourne?

It’s uncanny. He has Afrikaans stamped on his profile.

Maybe he was denied a visa.

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