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Re: Abbott Claims Oz Unsettled B4 British
Reply #195 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:00pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:55pm:

OK!

I'll say it's a lot of 'recompense' for the invasion and utilisation of traditional lands that had never been cultivated or otherwise utilised.

What of the other 498 tribes? Do they get a share?

You did see the bit about those ponds being toxic, didn't you?

Ahem.

I'm sorry.

See! I've apologised.

Looked more like a business deal to me, but I did not read it thoroughly.

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Reply #196 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:01pm

Enquiring mind wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:41pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:40pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:28pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:50pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:46pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:06pm:

Tony Abbott hates to admit he's British to the boot straps and his forebears were liars also, who told the British Sovereign Australia was uninhabited.

Their deceit is now fully exposed, and us born Australian are paying a price for liars like Abbott.

Actually, it was just a silly Freudian slip by Abbott, which he struggled to get out of. It wasn’t that bad.

But it does give you a hint of his influences and the people he surrounds himself with - Andrew Bolts, Gerard Hendersons, David Flynts, and the gaggle of fossilized old fruitloops that are being parachuted into the boards and positions of influence around the country.

Yes, thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.

The first 5 years the first fleet stuck to Farm Cove, Parramatta and a few other areas Karnal. I just want to know where you got the opinion that the local aboriginals showed the first fleeters where to get water. I makes me wonder how much of your posts are actually correct.

The tank stream was underground, dear. How do you think the settlers found out about it?

It used to be an above ground stream fed by a spring that ran into farm Cove. They got their water from it. There's was plenty of water in the Sydney basin. You are getting it mixed up with other places later on dear. Google it.

Now now, they didn’t have Google back then, dear.

But I agree you should check my facts. Good work.

It's underground now because there are building on it. Grin

You still haven’t confirmed how you think the settlers managed to stumble upon the colony’s source of water.

To be honest, I have no idea, but I do know that there were very few fresh water sources in early Sydney, and both blacks and whites - with spears and rifles.

Water was political even back then.

Tank Stream, a fresh water tributary of Sydney Cove, located in New South Wales, Australia, was the fresh water supply for the fledgling colony of New South Wales in the late 18th century. Today it is little more than a storm water drain. It originated from a swamp to the west of present day Hyde Park and at high tide entered Sydney Cove at what is now the intersection of Bridge and Pitt Streets in the Sydney central business district. The catchment was 65 hectares (161 acres), corresponding roughly the size of the Sydney central business district....... There were creeks running into the harbour all over the place. There were massive freshwater swamps. Above Parramatta the river became freshwater. There was heaps of water in the Sydney basin. The Tank Stream was a little freshwater creek that ran into the harbour where they set up camp.

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Re: Abbott Claims Oz Unsettled B4 British
Reply #197 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:01pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:59pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

You still haven’t confirmed how you think the settlers managed to stumble upon the colony’s source of water. ...

And you don't read posts that supply links.

" ... The colony had originally been planned for Botany Bay, on the recommendation of Sir Joseph Banks who had visited the area with Captain James Cook 17 years earlier, but when no fresh water was found there, Phillip sought a better site, and found it in the previously unvisited Port Jackson. Sydney Cove was chosen for settlement as it "was at the head of the cove, near the run of fresh water which stole silently along through a very thick wood".[2] On 26 January 1788 the new colony was inaugurated. ... '

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Stream

I have no idea, but I bet he had a hand in 'finding' it.

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Reply #198 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:16pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:09pm:

Dear Tony,

We owe our existence to an invasion of an occupied Land, easy military defeat of the Natives, appalling subsequent treatment of them, and British Colonisation.

Yours faithfully,

Aussie.

Good post.

No reasonable person could argue with that.

There was no military invasion.

As I said, no reasonable person could argue with that.

Thanks Peccerhead... saw the opening and bet a mate that'd be what you'd say. Now $5 richer... thanks.

The fact that I was right doesn't bother you?

Nothing you say bothers me...
you hardly ever get anything right and this time was not the exception. Cheesy

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Re: Abbott Claims Oz Unsettled B4 British
Reply #199 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:19pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:09pm:

Dear Tony,

We owe our existence to an invasion of an occupied Land, easy military defeat of the Natives, appalling subsequent treatment of them, and British Colonisation.

Yours faithfully,

Aussie.

Good post.

No reasonable person could argue with that.

There was no military invasion.

As I said, no reasonable person could argue with that.

Thanks Peccerhead... saw the opening and bet a mate that'd be what you'd say. Now $5 richer... thanks.

The fact that I was right doesn't bother you?

Nothing you say bothers me...

You respond to every single post I make.

I'm pushing the right buttons.

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Re: Abbott Claims Oz Unsettled B4 British
Reply #200 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:20pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:01pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:59pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

You still haven’t confirmed how you think the settlers managed to stumble upon the colony’s source of water. ...

And you don't read posts that supply links.

" ... The colony had originally been planned for Botany Bay, on the recommendation of Sir Joseph Banks who had visited the area with Captain James Cook 17 years earlier, but when no fresh water was found there, Phillip sought a better site, and found it in the previously unvisited Port Jackson. Sydney Cove was chosen for settlement as it "was at the head of the cove, near the run of fresh water which stole silently along through a very thick wood".[2] On 26 January 1788 the new colony was inaugurated. ... '

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Stream

I have no idea, but I bet he had a hand in 'finding' it.

They didn't I'm sorry. They sent boats ashore to find a good place to land and picked Farm Cove for it's shelter, flat ground and water supply (Tank Stream). They didn't make contact with the aborigines for a few weeks. The First Fleet Landing has absolutely nothing to do with the aboriginal people.

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Re: Abbott Claims Oz Unsettled B4 British
Reply #201 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:38pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:10pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

You could all easily turn the television off, lock the fridge up and turn your back on the comfortable life this "invasion" has given you all.

Why?

What purpose would that serve?

Well if the luvvies weren't hypocrites it would be yet another token gesture to pave their way to the higher moral ground. Grin

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Reply #202 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:40pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:30pm:

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Thanks Peccerhead... saw the opening and bet a mate that'd be what you'd say. Now $5 richer... thanks.

You are in desperate need of new spin doctors and artists. All your images and lines are so overused, your posts have become really repetitive and boring.

Really... I would think that is only the 2nd time I've used that this year. Roll Eyes

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Re: Abbott Claims Oz Unsettled B4 British
Reply #203 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 5:23pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:59pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

You still haven’t confirmed how you think the settlers managed to stumble upon the colony’s source of water. ...

And you don't read posts that supply links.

" ... The colony had originally been planned for Botany Bay, on the recommendation of Sir Joseph Banks who had visited the area with Captain James Cook 17 years earlier, but when no fresh water was found there, Phillip sought a better site, and found it in the previously unvisited Port Jackson. Sydney Cove was chosen for settlement as it "was at the head of the cove, near the run of fresh water which stole silently along through a very thick wood".[2] On 26 January 1788 the new colony was inaugurated. ... '

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Stream

No, I read your link. The Tank Stream was an Aboriginal water source. It contained spear heads.

I’m not sure why you’re placing so much importance on a fairly undocumented moment in white settlement. It’s not as if there are any historical controversies over murdered Aboriginals or convicts in the Tank Stream, as there were at a stream in Rushcutters Bay.

Whites owed a huge debt to the Eora people in Sydney. Fishing spots, oyster rocks, fresh water, the lot. It was an uneasy relationship, but it was pivotal to the development and history of the colony.

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Reply #204 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 5:31pm

hermoine wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:20pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:01pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:59pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

You still haven’t confirmed how you think the settlers managed to stumble upon the colony’s source of water. ...

And you don't read posts that supply links.

" ... The colony had originally been planned for Botany Bay, on the recommendation of Sir Joseph Banks who had visited the area with Captain James Cook 17 years earlier, but when no fresh water was found there, Phillip sought a better site, and found it in the previously unvisited Port Jackson. Sydney Cove was chosen for settlement as it "was at the head of the cove, near the run of fresh water which stole silently along through a very thick wood".[2] On 26 January 1788 the new colony was inaugurated. ... '

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Stream

I have no idea, but I bet he had a hand in 'finding' it.

They didn't I'm sorry. They sent boats ashore to find a good place to land and picked Farm Cove for it's shelter, flat ground and water supply (Tank Stream). They didn't make contact with the aborigines for a few weeks. The First Fleet Landing has absolutely nothing to do with the aboriginal people.

Here is a link of relevant interest.

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The invaders soon polluted the local water source, the Tank Stream, which had been maintained for centuries by Aboriginal people, forcing them further out to Redfern, Centennial Park and South Head for clean drinking water. There is evidence of Aboriginal people continuing to frequent Pyrmont with its fresh springs up to the 1870s, and even later there are references to ceremonial gatherings at Ultimo.

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North of Angel Place where the Tank Stream originally discharged into Sydney Harbour (near Bridge Street and Circular Quay), access to fish and shell-fish resources are likely to have provided a relatively predictable and concentrated range of dietary resources. South of the site, within the swampy margins of Hyde Park (where the Tank Stream originated), waterfowl and terrestrial mammals such as macropods may have been sought. Given the nature of the terrain around central Sydney, Aboriginal campsites would have been on ground least affected by swamp areas. Therefore major campsites would have been on the more habitable ground.

Governor Phillip decided to build Sydney around the Tank Stream, and it became the colony’s water source, quickly destroyed by settlers.

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Re: Abbott Claims Oz Unsettled B4 British
Reply #205 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 5:33pm

hermoine wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:20pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:01pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:59pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

You still haven’t confirmed how you think the settlers managed to stumble upon the colony’s source of water. ...

And you don't read posts that supply links.

" ... The colony had originally been planned for Botany Bay, on the recommendation of Sir Joseph Banks who had visited the area with Captain James Cook 17 years earlier, but when no fresh water was found there, Phillip sought a better site, and found it in the previously unvisited Port Jackson. Sydney Cove was chosen for settlement as it "was at the head of the cove, near the run of fresh water which stole silently along through a very thick wood"
.[2] On 26 January 1788 the new colony was inaugurated. ... '

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Stream

I have no idea, but I bet he had a hand in 'finding' it.

They didn't I'm sorry. They sent boats ashore to find a good place to land and picked Farm Cove for it's shelter, flat ground and water supply (Tank Stream). They didn't make contact with the aborigines for a few weeks. The First Fleet Landing has absolutely nothing to do with the aboriginal people.

Phillip made contact with Aboriginals at Botany Bay. It was touch and go for a minute there. He settled them down with beads. The presence and number of the Botany Bay Aborigines is cited as another reason why Phillip may have chosen to move on.

Aboriginals were at the front of settlers’ minds in every activity in the early colony. Convicts were forced to travel in pairs, soldiers and sailors always carried arms, and women weren’t allowed out much at all. The threat of being speared or taken by Aborigines was the way they managed the convicts and prevented escape.

Befriending the local Aboriginals was one of Phillip’s number one tasks - for obvious reasons.

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Enquiring mind Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104770	Re: Abbott Claims Oz Unsettled B4 British Reply #207 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 5:38pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 5:36pm: Why even bother on this? Anyone involved died a couple of hundred years ago. You wouldn’t understand. You’re Afrikaans.
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Re: Abbott Claims Oz Unsettled B4 British
Reply #208 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 5:39pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:19pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:09pm:

Dear Tony,

We owe our existence to an invasion of an occupied Land, easy military defeat of the Natives, appalling subsequent treatment of them, and British Colonisation.

Yours faithfully,

Aussie.

Good post.

No reasonable person could argue with that.

There was no military invasion.

As I said, no reasonable person could argue with that.

Thanks Peccerhead... saw the opening and bet a mate that'd be what you'd say. Now $5 richer... thanks.

The fact that I was right doesn't bother you?

Nothing you say bothers me...

You respond to every single post I make.

I'm pushing the right buttons.

I mostly reply when you lie about me... like above.
Are you saying you always lie about me? Cheesy

As for pushing buttons... why would you want to?
Kind of childish and a poor attitude if you ask me.
I don't try to push yours or anyone elses. But then I guess I'm of a much better character than you. Roll Eyes

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Re: Abbott Claims Oz Unsettled B4 British
Reply #209 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 5:42pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 4:40pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:30pm:

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Thanks Peccerhead... saw the opening and bet a mate that'd be what you'd say. Now $5 richer... thanks.

You are in desperate need of new spin doctors and artists. All your images and lines are so overused, your posts have become really repetitive and boring.

Really... I would think that is only the 2nd time I've used that this year. Roll Eyes

Best have another look into your bag of tricks.

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