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Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:03pm

Abbott under fire for unsettled call

PRIME Minister Tony Abbott has come under fire for saying Australia was unsettled before British colonisation.
MR Abbott made the comments while addressing the Melbourne Institute, saying Australia was unimaginable without foreign investment.
"I guess our country owes its existence to a form of foreign investment by the British government in the then unsettled or, um, scarcely settled, Great South Land," he said on Friday.
Labor's only indigenous parliamentarian, Senator Nova Peris, said the comments hindered efforts to have her people recognised in the constitution.
The comments were hurtful, dismissive of indigenous Australians and incorrect, she said.
Labor leader Bill Shorten said the comment was offensive, especially from a prime minister who claimed to be dedicated to indigenous affairs.
Mr Abbott's key indigenous adviser, Warren Mundine, labelled the comments silly and bizarre.

www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/abbott-under-fire-for-unsettled-call/story-e6frfku9-1229678015022

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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: Abbott Claims Oz Unsettled B4 British Reply #1 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:09pm Mr Abbott's chief Indigenous adviser Warren Mundine, who was in the audience for Mr Abbott's speech, has also described the comments as "silly". www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-04/pms-british-settlement-comments-highly-offensive-peris/5572718/?site=indigenous&topic=latest
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39951 Gender:	Re: Abbott Claims Oz Unsettled B4 British Reply #2 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:09pm Dear Tony, We owe our existence to an invasion of an occupied Land, easy military defeat of the Natives, appalling subsequent treatment of them, and British Colonisation. Yours faithfully, Aussie.
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Reply #3 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:30pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:09pm:

Dear Tony,

We owe our existence to an invasion of an occupied Land, easy military defeat of the Natives, appalling subsequent treatment of them, and British Colonisation.

Yours faithfully,

Aussie.

Gee! Just like the colonisation of Europe, the Americas, England before it became Britain or the UK, Spain, Germany, China - etc.

Pesky, them invaders, ain't they.

Was that wall in China erected to keep the rabbits out?

And that old muck-heap of Hadrian's in 'ol Merry England?

Our fence, our oceans, have only recently come under siege.

The problem is still the same, only nowadays the answers appear to be quite different.

Should we follow the example of the current American Messiah? Or that of English politicians in times past? The Conquistadors? The Romans?

Methinks not.

'Tis not better to learn from other's mistakes?

Yours in satire,

Lionel.

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Toughen up, Australia!

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Abbott Claims Oz Unsettled B4 British Reply #4 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:36pm Aussie wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:09pm: Dear Tony, We owe our existence to an invasion of an occupied Land, easy military defeat of the Natives, appalling subsequent treatment of them, and British Colonisation. Yours faithfully, Aussie. One of the silliest things said today...
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Life_goes_on Gold Member Offline Posts: 4772 400kms south of Yobsville, Qld Gender:	Re: Abbott Claims Oz Unsettled B4 British Reply #5 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:42pm It was obviously a bit of a brain fart that he immediately attempted to correct, but geez... when it comes to interviews and public speaking, he makes George W Bush seem articulate and a great orator.
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Reply #6 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:46pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:09pm:

Dear Tony,

We owe our existence to an invasion of an occupied Land, easy military defeat of the Natives, appalling subsequent treatment of them, and British Colonisation.

Yours faithfully,

Aussie.

Eff off Aussie. For someone who choose 'Aussie' as a tag you know very little about Australian colonial history. Roll Eyes

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Reply #7 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:52pm

____ wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:03pm:

Abbott under fire for unsettled call

PRIME Minister Tony Abbott has come under fire for saying Australia was unsettled before British colonisation.
MR Abbott made the comments while addressing the Melbourne Institute, saying Australia was unimaginable without foreign investment.
"I guess our country owes its existence to a form of foreign investment by the British government in the then unsettled or, um, scarcely settled, Great South Land," he said on Friday.
Labor's only indigenous parliamentarian, Senator Nova Peris, said the comments hindered efforts to have her people recognised in the constitution.
The comments were hurtful, dismissive of indigenous Australians and incorrect, she said.
Labor leader Bill Shorten said the comment was offensive, especially from a prime minister who claimed to be dedicated to indigenous affairs.
Mr Abbott's key indigenous adviser, Warren Mundine, labelled the comments silly and bizarre.

www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/abbott-under-fire-for-unsettled-call/story-e6frfku9-1229678015022

That's the problem when you are the Liar King - when you tell the truth people won't listen.

For your own credibility LNP, get rid of him. Wink

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Reply #8 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:52pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:30pm:

Gee! Just like the colonisation of Europe, the Americas, England before it became Britain or the UK, Spain, Germany, China - etc.

Key difference, the indigenous population in those other countries are not still suffering as a result of the invasions.

Remedying the suffering of the Aborigines is directly related to acknowledging and addressing the enormous destruction wrought by the invasion and occupation of their land.

In short, Tony's comments just perpetuates the problem.

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Reply #9 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:56pm

OldnCrusty wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:52pm:

____ wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:03pm:

Abbott under fire for unsettled call

PRIME Minister Tony Abbott has come under fire for saying Australia was unsettled before British colonisation.
MR Abbott made the comments while addressing the Melbourne Institute, saying Australia was unimaginable without foreign investment.
"I guess our country owes its existence to a form of foreign investment by the British government in the then unsettled or, um, scarcely settled, Great South Land," he said on Friday.
Labor's only indigenous parliamentarian, Senator Nova Peris, said the comments hindered efforts to have her people recognised in the constitution.
The comments were hurtful, dismissive of indigenous Australians and incorrect, she said.
Labor leader Bill Shorten said the comment was offensive, especially from a prime minister who claimed to be dedicated to indigenous affairs.
Mr Abbott's key indigenous adviser, Warren Mundine, labelled the comments silly and bizarre.

www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/abbott-under-fire-for-unsettled-call/story-e6frfku9-1229678015022

That's the problem when you are the Liar King - when you tell the truth people won't listen.

For your own credibility LNP, get rid of him. Wink

Removing abbott would result in the same argument used against labor when they dumped PMs on whims.

Libs must take abbott to the next election and be kicked out by the people.

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Reply #10 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:57pm

OldnCrusty wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:46pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:09pm:

Dear Tony,

We owe our existence to an invasion of an occupied Land, easy military defeat of the Natives, appalling subsequent treatment of them, and British Colonisation.

Yours faithfully,

Aussie.

Eff off Aussie. For someone who choose 'Aussie' as a tag you know very little about Australian colonial history. Roll Eyes

Really? Feel free to enlighten me.

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Reply #12 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:59pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:57pm:

So.... where exactly was Abbott factually wrong again?

I reckon somehow, Grendel, you'll find the answer in this sentence.

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"I guess our country owes its existence to a form of foreign investment by the British government in the then unsettled or, um, scarcely settled, Great South Land,."

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Reply #13 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 6:01pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:59pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:57pm:

So.... where exactly was Abbott factually wrong again?

I reckon somehow, Grendel, you'll find the answer in this sentence.

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"I guess our country owes its existence to a form of foreign investment by the British government in the then unsettled or, um, scarcely settled, Great South Land,."

Well since I know who he was addressing i understand completely the point he was making.

Want me to ask you again? Roll Eyes

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Reply #14 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 6:03pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 6:01pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:59pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 5:57pm:

So.... where exactly was Abbott factually wrong again?

I reckon somehow, Grendel, you'll find the answer in this sentence.

Quote:

"I guess our country owes its existence to a form of foreign investment by the British government in the then unsettled or, um, scarcely settled, Great South Land,."

Well since I know who he was addressing i understand completely the point he was making.

Want me to ask you again? Roll Eyes

What does it matter who he was addressing. He ought be accurate no matter who is listening.

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