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Re: Thanks Abbott
Reply #45 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 4:13pm

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How rush-rush-Rudd lost your billions
Andrew Bolt
MARCH 18 2010

Waste, waste and yet more scandalous waste:

THE cost of projects under the federal government’s $16.2 billion school infrastructure program more than doubles from initial estimates by the time builders start work…

At Hastings Public School at Port Macquarie on the NSW north coast, the school is building a new covered outdoor learning area and a two-classroom building with its grant of $3m from the Building the Education Revolution.

The outdoor area, known as a COLA in educational parlance, was initially budgeted for $400,000, but by the time students are running around under its shade, the structure will cost closer to $1m…

The experience at Berridale Public School near Cooma in southeast NSW is similar. Granted $850,000 to build a library, the school was originally told the building would cost $285,000.

But the estimated project cost is now almost $896,000, including the management cost paid to the NSW government of $11,000....

As reported in The Australian in June, Hastings Public School built a COLA in 2003 for $40,000 and the principal was reported at the time as questioning how “what is essentially a weather shelter” could cost $400,000. Now the school community is asking how it could cost about $954,000....

Pressure has been building on the federal government over continuing stories of mismanagement and inflated costs of the BER, with the federal Coalition last year securing an inquiry by the Commonwealth Auditor-General’s Office. Its report is expected in the next couple of months.

The NSW opposition, with the support of the Greens and Family First, yesterday succeeded in forcing an upper house inquiry into the BER in the state to assess the fees and charges levied by government agencies and managing contractors, and whether building costs are in line with industry standards.

The Senate is holding its own inquiry into the primary school building program, the largest component of the BER.

and...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/archive/politics/school-ber-costs-double-quoted-...

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Re: Thanks Abbott
Reply #46 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 4:14pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 3:47pm:

Happy for you to be in denial of the real FACTS... trollboy.

But I don't feel inclined to repeat them all over again just for you. Cheesy

Here you go...

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4376

It'll save a lot of time and effort that'd be wasted on the likes of you.

And...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/ber-panning-dumped-in-dead-of-n...
So considering you ignored the opinions of those with direct interest in the program;teachers, principals and parents... not to mention the children... you seem to also ignore the fact that many schools did not want or need COLAs yet got them and the big plaque with labor members names engraved in gold for all the world to see... A couple of complaints that immediately spring to mind was the school with temporary classrooms that wanted permanent structures. The school that desperately needed a library but got a COLA instead and the school that needed a new toilet block but also got a COLA. These were just a few of the many complaints in NSW... they were ignored in the Orgill report because they didn't fit the criteria... they may well have been in the end value for money... but they were not what was needed. I guess Labor didn't want their names attached to a loo block eh. Cheesy

wow, you link an unsupported claim by someone claiming to be the shadow minister on a public forum as evidence? Grin

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98819	Re: Thanks Abbott Reply #47 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 4:42pm Grendel wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 3:47pm: Happy for you to be in denial of the real FACTS... trollboy. I know. These leftards won't even accept Ray Hadley as a legitimate source. Don't pay any attention to these trolls, Grendel. They're biased.
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Re: Thanks Abbott
Reply #48 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 4:48pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:01pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:14pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 7:43pm:

yeast...

Trolling again, I see. Spelling flames are so 1990.

Are you stalking me?

Since you don't know Aussie or I or our history I suggest you stfu... ok?

Oh and stop stalking me troll... Cheesy

Be nice if you'd have a word with Aussie about trolling me too while you're at it, I mean we wouldn't want to think you were a tad biased or obsessed now would we? Roll Eyes

BTW it really has nothing to do with spelling... but then as I stated, you are clueless on the subject.

Looks like poor old Grendel's resorting to personal attacks and baseless lies again. Touch a nerve, did we?

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Re: Thanks Abbott
Reply #49 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 4:53pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 4:14pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 3:47pm:

Happy for you to be in denial of the real FACTS... trollboy.

But I don't feel inclined to repeat them all over again just for you. Cheesy

Here you go...

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4376

It'll save a lot of time and effort that'd be wasted on the likes of you.

And...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/ber-panning-dumped-in-dead-of-n...
So considering you ignored the opinions of those with direct interest in the program;teachers, principals and parents... not to mention the children... you seem to also ignore the fact that many schools did not want or need COLAs yet got them and the big plaque with labor members names engraved in gold for all the world to see... A couple of complaints that immediately spring to mind was the school with temporary classrooms that wanted permanent structures. The school that desperately needed a library but got a COLA instead and the school that needed a new toilet block but also got a COLA. These were just a few of the many complaints in NSW... they were ignored in the Orgill report because they didn't fit the criteria... they may well have been in the end value for money... but they were not what was needed. I guess Labor didn't want their names attached to a loo block eh. Cheesy

wow, you link an unsupported claim by someone claiming to be the shadow minister on a public forum as evidence? Grin

More to the point ... a link from a place that is a "forum" on a website devoted to "online opinion". How trustworthy can that be?

As for The Australian, that's neither a neutral nor unbiased source.

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Re: Thanks Abbott
Reply #50 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:22pm

Bam wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 4:48pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:01pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:14pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 7:43pm:

yeast...

Trolling again, I see. Spelling flames are so 1990.

Are you stalking me?

Since you don't know Aussie or I or our history I suggest you stfu... ok?

Oh and stop stalking me troll... Cheesy

Be nice if you'd have a word with Aussie about trolling me too while you're at it, I mean we wouldn't want to think you were a tad biased or obsessed now would we? Roll Eyes

BTW it really has nothing to do with spelling... but then as I stated, you are clueless on the subject.

Looks like poor old Grendel's resorting to personal attacks and baseless lies again. Touch a nerve, did we?

Don't libel me on a public site.

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Re: Thanks Abbott
Reply #51 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:25pm

Bam wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 4:48pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:01pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:14pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 7:43pm:

yeast...

Trolling again, I see. Spelling flames are so 1990.

Are you stalking me?

Since you don't know Aussie or I or our history I suggest you stfu... ok?

Oh and stop stalking me troll... Cheesy

Be nice if you'd have a word with Aussie about trolling me too while you're at it, I mean we wouldn't want to think you were a tad biased or obsessed now would we? Roll Eyes

BTW it really has nothing to do with spelling... but then as I stated, you are clueless on the subject.

Looks like poor old Grendel's resorting to personal attacks and baseless lies again.

Same old, same old.

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Grendel

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Re: Thanks Abbott
Reply #52 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:30pm

Bam wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 4:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 4:14pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 3:47pm:

Happy for you to be in denial of the real FACTS... trollboy.

But I don't feel inclined to repeat them all over again just for you. Cheesy

Here you go...

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4376

It'll save a lot of time and effort that'd be wasted on the likes of you.

And...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/ber-panning-dumped-in-dead-of-n...
So considering you ignored the opinions of those with direct interest in the program;teachers, principals and parents... not to mention the children... you seem to also ignore the fact that many schools did not want or need COLAs yet got them and the big plaque with labor members names engraved in gold for all the world to see... A couple of complaints that immediately spring to mind was the school with temporary classrooms that wanted permanent structures. The school that desperately needed a library but got a COLA instead and the school that needed a new toilet block but also got a COLA. These were just a few of the many complaints in NSW... they were ignored in the Orgill report because they didn't fit the criteria... they may well have been in the end value for money... but they were not what was needed. I guess Labor didn't want their names attached to a loo block eh. Cheesy

wow, you link an unsupported claim by someone claiming to be the shadow minister on a public forum as evidence? Grin

More to the point ... a link from a place that is a "forum" on a website devoted to "online opinion". How trustworthy can that be?

As for The Australian, that's neither a neutral nor unbiased source.

Let me educate you a bit.
Since Leftards always claim uncorroborated evidence must have a link or some such "proof" one does so as best one can... For example years of evidence on talkback radio virtually disappears into the ether. Hard to link to that. Physical evidence or acts witnessed by yourself usually don't have links either. Oh that's just your opinion.
When in fact it actually happened or exists...
So...

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More to the point ... a link from a place that is a "forum" on a website devoted to "online opinion". How trustworthy can that be?

I guess then anything you write or others write here I should ignore as untrustworthy. Yet I trust much of what you write except the personal crap and bias.

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As for The Australian, that's neither a neutral nor unbiased source.

All "biased" sources can be checked. You lot dismiss such things and opinions from people you deem biased or from the other side or for some reason hate. I on the other hand read everyone from all sides and check the facts and figures. It's not rocket science.

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Re: Thanks Abbott
Reply #53 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:36pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:22pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 4:48pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:01pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:14pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 7:43pm:

yeast...

Trolling again, I see. Spelling flames are so 1990.

Are you stalking me?

Since you don't know Aussie or I or our history I suggest you stfu... ok?

Oh and stop stalking me troll... Cheesy

Be nice if you'd have a word with Aussie about trolling me too while you're at it, I mean we wouldn't want to think you were a tad biased or obsessed now would we? Roll Eyes

BTW it really has nothing to do with spelling... but then as I stated, you are clueless on the subject.

Looks like poor old Grendel's resorting to personal attacks and baseless lies again. Touch a nerve, did we?

Don't libel me on a public site.

Oo, I'm scared. What are you going to do about it? Stop telling lies, perchance? I'm not stalking you, idiot. Grow up.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Thanks Abbott Reply #54 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:38pm I will suspend the pair of you if this carries on. Debate points without the personal nonsense.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77706 Gender:	Re: Thanks Abbott Reply #55 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:48pm Grendel wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:30pm: guess then anything you write or others write here I should ignore as untrustworthy you can trust people on here that you get to know once they have shown they aren't prone to making up facts, but linking what they say will never qualify as proof ...
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41029 Gender:	Re: Thanks Abbott Reply #56 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:48pm please suspend them both now. All comments are off topic
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 144990 Gender:	Re: Thanks Abbott Reply #57 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 7:29pm
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77706 Gender:	Re: Thanks Abbott Reply #58 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 10:13pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:48pm: please suspend them both now. All comments are off topic did you fall out of bed again last night? 'hemmerhoids' playing up again?
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Thanks Abbott Reply #59 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 10:38pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:38pm: I will suspend the pair of you if this carries on. Debate points without the personal nonsense. Honestly Andrei there are worse stalkers here than Bam... have you been missing their posts. Lots of personal attacks and nonsense heads my way on a daily basis, right Johnboy...
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