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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Warmest May ever recorded. Reply #15 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 7:13pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 6:20pm: You aren't half obsessed by this whole climate thing mate. Kind of like the same way you might be obsessed with a fire alarm or a cancer prognosis.
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Reply #16 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 7:56pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 5:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 5:02pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 5:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 4:17pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 3:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 12:44pm:

"Warmest May ever recorded."

" ... ever recorded."

That's right, greggery, hot on the heels of the 2nd Warmest April ever recorded.

" ... ever recorded".

Correct, greggerypeccary. I don't like to blow my own trumpet, but I've always considered myself quite intuitive, so I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest there is a point you'd like to make.

Actually, I'm wondering what point you're trying to make.

What is the point of this thread?

Warmest May ever recorded. OK. So what?

Spit it out man.

Just thought I'd remind people that our planet is getting warmer.

Record ice makes the planet warmer. Um ok.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/02/another-antarctic-sea-ice-record-set-but-e...

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Warmest May ever recorded. Reply #17 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 8:25pm Any idea why Antarctic sea ice is growing, progs? Can you explain the science behind this phenomenon.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156094 Gender:	Re: Warmest May ever recorded. Reply #18 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 8:29pm MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 6:57pm: Since 1880. Before that you are looking at very sparse local records or paleoclimatology. A little over 100 years? Interesting. So, what's the point of this thread?
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Reply #19 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:07pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 8:29pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 6:57pm:

Since 1880. Before that you are looking at very sparse local records or paleoclimatology.

A little over 100 years? Interesting.

So, what's the point of this thread?

To remind folks like yourself the planet is warming.

I'm assuming you are aware of the risks that come with the rate of warming we are currently experiencing.

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Reply #20 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:10pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 8:29pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 6:57pm:

Since 1880. Before that you are looking at very sparse local records or paleoclimatology.

A little over 100 years? Interesting.

So, what's the point of this thread?

To remind folks like yourself the planet is warming.

I'm assuming you are aware of the risks that come with the rate of warming we are currently experiencing.

Considering you only have records for a little over 100 years, what makes you think that this current rate of warming isn't normal?

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Reply #21 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:32pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:10pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 8:29pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 6:57pm:

Since 1880. Before that you are looking at very sparse local records or paleoclimatology.

A little over 100 years? Interesting.

So, what's the point of this thread?

To remind folks like yourself the planet is warming.

I'm assuming you are aware of the risks that come with the rate of warming we are currently experiencing.

Considering you only have records for a little over 100 years, what makes you think that this current rate of warming isn't normal?

Was this question too difficult, MOTR?

Undecided

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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Warmest May ever recorded. Reply #22 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:26pm MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 8:25pm: Any idea why Antarctic sea ice is growing, progs? Can you explain the science behind this phenomenon. Can you read. A link was provided for you. I cant read it to you, you wouldn't hear me.
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Reply #23 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 6:20am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:10pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 8:29pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 6:57pm:

Since 1880. Before that you are looking at very sparse local records or paleoclimatology.

A little over 100 years? Interesting.

So, what's the point of this thread?

To remind folks like yourself the planet is warming.

I'm assuming you are aware of the risks that come with the rate of warming we are currently experiencing.

Considering you only have records for a little over 100 years, what makes you think that this current rate of warming isn't normal?

What do you mean by normal, greggery? Are you suggesting the warming that we are currently experiencing is a natural variation, or are you suggesting the planet has experienced similar warming trends in the past, and therefore we have nothing to worry about?

There is no scientific evidence of a similarly rapid or large natural climate change over the last 11,000 years.

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Was this question too difficult, MOTR?

The difficulty, greggery, comes down to what you mean by normal.

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Reply #24 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 7:16am

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:26pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 8:25pm:

Any idea why Antarctic sea ice is growing, progs?

Can you explain the science behind this phenomenon.

Can you read. A link was provided for you. I cant read it to you, you wouldn't hear me.

I guess that means you accept Frank Lasner's scientific explanation, which essentially seems to be, it's getting colder around the ice forming area of Antarctica (73S-63S 220W-50E) so therefore the ice is growing.

Is that a fair representation of how you would explain the growth in Antarctic sea ice?

Perhaps you might like to extrapolate on this idea in relation to total sea ice.

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Reply #25 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:22am

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 6:20am:

There is no scientific evidence of a similarly rapid or large natural climate change over the last 11,000 years.

That's because we don't have enough official, accurate records.

You've admitted that yourself.

When asked how long we've had records, you said: "Since 1880. Before that you are looking at very sparse local records or paleoclimatology."

You're relying on one method of measuring the temperature since 1880, and a different method for everything before that date (approximately 4.5 billion years).

From two completely different methods of measuring temperature, and a comparison between 134 years and 4.5 billion years, you've determined that it's not possible that "the warming that we are currently experiencing is a natural variation".

You're kidding, right?

And if you're not kidding, how do you honestly expect to be taken seriously?

Seriously?

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Reply #26 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:38am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:22am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 6:20am:

There is no scientific evidence of a similarly rapid or large natural climate change over the last 11,000 years.

That's because we don't have enough official, accurate records.

You've admitted that yourself.

When asked how long we've had records, you said: "Since 1880. Before that you are looking at very sparse local records or paleoclimatology."

You're relying on one method of measuring the temperature since 1880, and a different method for everything before that date (approximately 4.5 billion years).

From two completely different methods of measuring temperature, and a comparison between 134 years and 4.5 billion years, you've determined that it's not possible that "the warming that we are currently experiencing is a natural variation".

You're kidding, right?

And if you're not kidding, how do you honestly expect to be taken seriously?

Seriously?

But I didn't say that, greggery. I didn't even go close to saying that. That's you setting up a strawman. Now do you want to debate this honestly, or do you just want to put on a show.

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Reply #27 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:40am

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:38am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:22am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 6:20am:

There is no scientific evidence of a similarly rapid or large natural climate change over the last 11,000 years.

That's because we don't have enough official, accurate records.

You've admitted that yourself.

When asked how long we've had records, you said: "Since 1880. Before that you are looking at very sparse local records or paleoclimatology."

You're relying on one method of measuring the temperature since 1880, and a different method for everything before that date (approximately 4.5 billion years).

From two completely different methods of measuring temperature, and a comparison between 134 years and 4.5 billion years, you've determined that it's not possible that "the warming that we are currently experiencing is a natural variation".

You're kidding, right?

And if you're not kidding, how do you honestly expect to be taken seriously?

Seriously?

But I didn't say that, greggery. I didn't even go close to saying that. That's you setting up a strawman. Now do you want to debate this honestly, or do you just want to put on a show.

Is it possible that "the warming that we are currently experiencing is a natural variation"?

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Reply #28 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:51am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:40am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:38am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:22am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 6:20am:

There is no scientific evidence of a similarly rapid or large natural climate change over the last 11,000 years.

That's because we don't have enough official, accurate records.

You've admitted that yourself.

When asked how long we've had records, you said: "Since 1880. Before that you are looking at very sparse local records or paleoclimatology."

You're relying on one method of measuring the temperature since 1880, and a different method for everything before that date (approximately 4.5 billion years).

From two completely different methods of measuring temperature, and a comparison between 134 years and 4.5 billion years, you've determined that it's not possible that "the warming that we are currently experiencing is a natural variation".

You're kidding, right?

And if you're not kidding, how do you honestly expect to be taken seriously?

Seriously?

But I didn't say that, greggery. I didn't even go close to saying that. That's you setting up a strawman. Now do you want to debate this honestly, or do you just want to put on a show.

Is it possible that "the warming that we are currently experiencing is a natural variation"?

Personally, I'd place the chance of the current warming being a natural variation somewhere in the vicinity of less than 1%.

So therefore my answer to your question is yes, but I'm virtually certain it isn't.

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Reply #29 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:22am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:40am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:38am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:22am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 6:20am:

There is no scientific evidence of a similarly rapid or large natural climate change over the last 11,000 years.

That's because we don't have enough official, accurate records.

You've admitted that yourself.

When asked how long we've had records, you said: "Since 1880. Before that you are looking at very sparse local records or paleoclimatology."

You're relying on one method of measuring the temperature since 1880, and a different method for everything before that date (approximately 4.5 billion years).

From two completely different methods of measuring temperature, and a comparison between 134 years and 4.5 billion years, you've determined that it's not possible that "the warming that we are currently experiencing is a natural variation".

You're kidding, right?

And if you're not kidding, how do you honestly expect to be taken seriously?

Seriously?

But I didn't say that, greggery. I didn't even go close to saying that. That's you setting up a strawman. Now do you want to debate this honestly, or do you just want to put on a show.

Is it possible that "the warming that we are currently experiencing is a natural variation"?

What is natural variation? Is that something god does ?

Any variation has a cause, a reason why it is different from previous recordings. Anyone claiming a variation needs to come up with a reason why it is varying. If not co2 levels, then what ?

"Natural variation" is a lazy excuse, because it implies the person doesnt need to justify it.

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