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Mr Joseph Stiglitz - Nobel Prize Winning Economist
Jul 3rd, 2014 at 6:53am
 
Nobel prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz says Abbott government budget changes are 'a crime'

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    July 3, 2014


"Trying to pretend that universities are like private markets is absurd" : Nobel prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz.

The government's plan to deregulate universities is "a crime" and the move for co-payments for medical services is "absurd" in the view of visiting Nobel prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz.      Sad

Asked by Fairfax Media to nominate the two biggest mistakes the government could make that would take it down the American path of widening inequality and economic stagnation, Professor Stiglitz chose the budget changes to university fees and Medicare. Each would make Australia more like the US.

    Why would anybody … try to make your system like the American system? The US is at the bottom.

"Countries that imitate the American model are kidding themselves," he said. "It seems that some people here would like to emulate the American model. I don't fully understand the logic."

In the lead-up to the budget Education Minister Christopher Pyne said Australia had much to learn about universities from overseas, "not least … from our friends in the United States".
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Professor Stiglitz said Australia had "a system that is really a model for the rest of the world", and deregulating fees would move the entire system in the wrong direction.

"Trying to pretend that universities are like private markets is absurd. The worst-functioning part of the US educational market at the tertiary level is the private for-profit system,'' he said. ''It is a disaster. It excels in one area, exploiting poor children.

"If you're rich your parents can pay the fees, but if you are poor you are going to worry about how much debt you're undertaking.

"It is a way of closing off opportunity and that's why the US doesn't have educational opportunity.

"While we in the US are trying to re-regulate universities, you are talking about deregulating them. It really is a crime."

Professor Stiglitz said Australia also had one of the best healthcare systems in the world.

"Your outcome per dollar is probably the best or one of the best. Your equality of access is one of the best.

"Why would anybody … try to make your system like the American system? The US is at the bottom.      Sad

"As for talk about a price signal, people don't make decisions about medical tests and procedures based on price. Maybe for cosmetic surgery they do, but for poor people, price signals price them out."      Sad

He said the typical inflation-adjusted income of a US household was lower than it was 25 years ago. The typical inflation-adjusted income of a male full-time worker was its lowest in 40 years.

"You have to say that the American market model has failed. It's a very strong statement for someone who believes in a market economy. But at the bottom it's even worse. The minimum wage is about where it was almost a half century ago."

Asked what Australia had done right that the US had not, he said: "unions".      

"You have been able to maintain stronger trade unions than the US. The absence of any protection for workers, any bargaining power, has had adverse effects in the US.''

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/nobel-prizewinning-economist-joseph-stiglitz-says-abbott-government-budget-changes-are-a-crime-20140702-3b8vb.html#ixzz36LVYgHpJ
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Reply #1 - Jul 3rd, 2014 at 7:05am
 
Nobel prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz says Abbott government budget changes are 'a crime'

Good on Mr Stiglitz for speaking out, but I'm sure anyone with a half a brain knows the Abbott budget is criminal.
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Reply #2 - Jul 3rd, 2014 at 7:40am
 
Saw him n the ABC the other night.

Apart from the fact that I find his manner of speech to be extremely
irritating, he had a lot of sensible things to say.

None reflected well on The Simian or his cohorts.
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Reply #3 - Jul 3rd, 2014 at 7:52am
 
Do you need a degree and a Nobel Prize to figure that out?

Shite, I must be a lot smarter than I give myself credit for.  Grin

Oh, and mark my other unqualified economic prediction; this budget is recessionary  Angry.
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Reply #4 - Jul 3rd, 2014 at 7:52am
 
Many around here would regard Stiglitz as a little too far to the left for their liking. Some would also regard his love affair with Keynes to be a tad over the top.
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Reply #5 - Jul 3rd, 2014 at 7:55am
 
crocodile wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 7:52am:
Many around here would regard Stiglitz as a little too far to the left for their liking. Some would also regard his love affair with Keynes to be a tad over the top.

That might be true but you can't argue with the stats he runs out.

But you know what they say; put 12 economists in a room and you'll get 13 different answers.  Grin
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crocodile wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 7:52am:
Many around here would regard Stiglitz as a little too far to the left for their liking. Some would also regard his love affair with Keynes to be a tad over the top.



They may indeed.

But they'd almost certainly be wrong.
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Reply #7 - Jul 3rd, 2014 at 9:09am
 
Kat wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 8:52am:
crocodile wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 7:52am:
Many around here would regard Stiglitz as a little too far to the left for their liking. Some would also regard his love affair with Keynes to be a tad over the top.



They may indeed.

But they'd almost certainly be wrong.


Leftism and economics are mutually exclusive..... Grin
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Reply #8 - Jul 3rd, 2014 at 9:57am
 
Swagman wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 9:09am:
Kat wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 8:52am:
crocodile wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 7:52am:
Many around here would regard Stiglitz as a little too far to the left for their liking. Some would also regard his love affair with Keynes to be a tad over the top.



They may indeed.

But they'd almost certainly be wrong.


Leftism and economics are mutually exclusive..... Grin


Where's your Nobel prize swagman?
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Reply #9 - Jul 3rd, 2014 at 10:13am
 
This should be fun.

It will go 1 of 2 ways

A) be totally ignored by all Tony followers except for Swaggies little foray

Or

B) Suddenly a Nobel Prize will be sub par to a key ring in a cereal packet, but of course a "Rhodes" will still be an outstanding achievement.
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Reply #10 - Jul 3rd, 2014 at 10:14am
 
I'm sure they'll all argue that Judith Sloan knows better  Grin Grin
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Reply #11 - Jul 3rd, 2014 at 10:29am
 
MOTR wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 9:57am:
Swagman wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 9:09am:
Kat wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 8:52am:
crocodile wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 7:52am:
Many around here would regard Stiglitz as a little too far to the left for their liking. Some would also regard his love affair with Keynes to be a tad over the top.



They may indeed.

But they'd almost certainly be wrong.


Leftism and economics are mutually exclusive..... Grin


Where's your Nobel prize swagman?


Hanging in my dunny.......in the in the correct underhand fashion
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Reply #12 - Jul 3rd, 2014 at 10:32am
 
crocodile wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 7:52am:
Many around here would regard Stiglitz as a little too far to the left for their liking. Some would also regard his love affair with Keynes to be a tad over the top.


The factual acuracy of his comments are all 'some people' should worry about.
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Reply #13 - Jul 3rd, 2014 at 10:38am
 
The economic Stig has some interesting theories on wages

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stiglitz

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1.Wages do not fall enough during recessions  Shocked to prevent unemployment from rising. If the demand for labour falls, this lowers wages. But because wages have fallen, the probability of 'shirking' (workers not exerting effort) has risen. If employment levels are to be maintained, through a sufficient lowering of wages, workers will be less productive than before through the shirking effect. As a consequence, in the model, wages do not fall enough to maintain employment levels at the previous state, because firms want to avoid excessive shirking by their workers. So, unemployment must rise during recessions, because wages are kept 'too high'  Shocked.


'the shirking effect'   Grin he may be on to something there....no wonder he got the Nobel prize... Wink

What do you think of that Mr Crook?


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Reply #14 - Jul 3rd, 2014 at 10:39am
 
Winston Smith wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 10:32am:
crocodile wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 7:52am:
Many around here would regard Stiglitz as a little too far to the left for their liking. Some would also regard his love affair with Keynes to be a tad over the top.


The factual acuracy of his comments are all 'some people' should worry about.



Away you go, Winston, the floor is all yours.

Fancy a discussion on externalities.
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