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Reply #15 - Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:30pm
 
My prediction is that houses in future will be designed and built with 100% solar power - completely off the grid. The transition to solar power is already happening at a far quicker rate than anyone expected. The next development will be long-life battery power capable of storing solar power for cloudy or rainy days. At present, excess solar power goes into the grid.

Cars will be electric. They’ll be plugged in at night, and service stations will offer recharged batteries instead of petrol. This will happen further down the track. It’s a fair way off, but the technology exists to do this now.

Manufacturing is different, but manufacturing in Australia is rapidly declining. Clive Palmer is right - "air moves around the world". China is now the main source of manufacturing, and there is a huge popular push to improve air quality there. In Beijing and Shanghai, it is the number one issue.

Renewable energy is the future. It’s only a matter of when. Governments can be either with it or against it. Given the economic importance of coal mining in Australia (and its political donations and lobbying),  it is in the interest of both major parties to support it.

Renewable energy like solar (and to a lesser extent, geothermal.and wind power), will eventually put coal out of business.
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Reply #16 - Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:34pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 9:41pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 9:37pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 9:28pm:
Renewables aren't cheap and they have driven the price of electricty up... Cheesy Grin Roll Eyes


no, greedy company executives have driven the price of electricity up ...... and as they lose market share to renewables they will need to keep driving up prices to maintain their profit levels ... it's just not sustainable long term no matter how hard they try or how much govt. props them up.

You idiot, renewable energy prices are driving prices up.  It costs more for the electricity companies to produce electricity that way.  The fact they are also paying many people above market prices for putting electricity into the grid is also putting up prices.  Those of us without the means to afford solar arrays are in fact subsidising those who can by paying higher prices and paying for their above market rate rebates.


The fact that renewable energy is so heavily subsidised is undeniable proof of how expensive it is. Take away ALL of the subsidies and no one but the rich could possibly afford it.
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Reply #17 - Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:37pm
 
Enquiring mind wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:30pm:
My prediction is that houses in future will be designed and built with 100% solar power - completely off the grid.


Wouldn't it be nice, eh? Sounds great, but I can't see a situation where that could be feasible, given that clouds would just make it an impossibility in some places, as well as the fact that some regions in the extreme north and south face months of darkness on end. We will always rely on power stations to some degree. What powers them and how big they are in 100 years time is anyone's guess.
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Reply #18 - Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:57pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:34pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 9:41pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 9:37pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 9:28pm:
Renewables aren't cheap and they have driven the price of electricty up... Cheesy Grin Roll Eyes


no, greedy company executives have driven the price of electricity up ...... and as they lose market share to renewables they will need to keep driving up prices to maintain their profit levels ... it's just not sustainable long term no matter how hard they try or how much govt. props them up.

You idiot, renewable energy prices are driving prices up.  It costs more for the electricity companies to produce electricity that way.  The fact they are also paying many people above market prices for putting electricity into the grid is also putting up prices.  Those of us without the means to afford solar arrays are in fact subsidising those who can by paying higher prices and paying for their above market rate rebates.


The fact that renewable energy is so heavily subsidised is undeniable proof of how expensive it is. Take away ALL of the subsidies and no one but the rich could possibly afford it.



Renewable energy is inclusive of Solar generated electricity, Solar electricity is vastly cheaper than either Coal or Photovoltaic electricity.
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Reply #19 - Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:59pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:34pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 9:41pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 9:37pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 9:28pm:
Renewables aren't cheap and they have driven the price of electricty up... Cheesy Grin Roll Eyes


no, greedy company executives have driven the price of electricity up ...... and as they lose market share to renewables they will need to keep driving up prices to maintain their profit levels ... it's just not sustainable long term no matter how hard they try or how much govt. props them up.

You idiot, renewable energy prices are driving prices up.  It costs more for the electricity companies to produce electricity that way.  The fact they are also paying many people above market prices for putting electricity into the grid is also putting up prices.  Those of us without the means to afford solar arrays are in fact subsidising those who can by paying higher prices and paying for their above market rate rebates.


The fact that renewable energy is so heavily subsidised is undeniable proof of how expensive it is. Take away ALL of the subsidies and no one but the rich could possibly afford it.


And what happens to coal powered electricity if we take away the over $5 BILLION a year from mining?  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #20 - Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:00pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:37pm:
Enquiring mind wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:30pm:
My prediction is that houses in future will be designed and built with 100% solar power - completely off the grid.


Wouldn't it be nice, eh? Sounds great, but I can't see a situation where that could be feasible, given that clouds would just make it an impossibility in some places, as well as the fact that some regions in the extreme north and south face months of darkness on end. We will always rely on power stations to some degree. What powers them and how big they are in 100 years time is anyone's guess.


In Australia?  Grin Grin Grin Grin name these regions ?
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Reply #21 - Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:01pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:37pm:
Enquiring mind wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:30pm:
My prediction is that houses in future will be designed and built with 100% solar power - completely off the grid.


Wouldn't it be nice, eh? Sounds great, but I can't see a situation where that could be feasible, given that clouds would just make it an impossibility in some places, as well as the fact that some regions in the extreme north and south face months of darkness on end. We will always rely on power stations to some degree. What powers them and how big they are in 100 years time is anyone's guess.


Your reply appears to be focused on photovoltaics.

Very much the Coalition attitude in its attempts to protect the Coal burner businesses from competition. 

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Reply #22 - Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:04pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:59pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:34pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 9:41pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 9:37pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 9:28pm:
Renewables aren't cheap and they have driven the price of electricty up... Cheesy Grin Roll Eyes


no, greedy company executives have driven the price of electricity up ...... and as they lose market share to renewables they will need to keep driving up prices to maintain their profit levels ... it's just not sustainable long term no matter how hard they try or how much govt. props them up.

You idiot, renewable energy prices are driving prices up.  It costs more for the electricity companies to produce electricity that way.  The fact they are also paying many people above market prices for putting electricity into the grid is also putting up prices.  Those of us without the means to afford solar arrays are in fact subsidising those who can by paying higher prices and paying for their above market rate rebates.


The fact that renewable energy is so heavily subsidised is undeniable proof of how expensive it is. Take away ALL of the subsidies and no one but the rich could possibly afford it.


And what happens to coal powered electricity if we take away the over $5 BILLION a year from mining?  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


We the punter stop paying $9 Billion a year in Carbon Tax.
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #23 - Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:05pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:00pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:37pm:
Enquiring mind wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:30pm:
My prediction is that houses in future will be designed and built with 100% solar power - completely off the grid.


Wouldn't it be nice, eh? Sounds great, but I can't see a situation where that could be feasible, given that clouds would just make it an impossibility in some places, as well as the fact that some regions in the extreme north and south face months of darkness on end. We will always rely on power stations to some degree. What powers them and how big they are in 100 years time is anyone's guess.


In Australia?  Grin Grin Grin Grin name these regions ?


Did I mention Australia? Duh!
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Reply #24 - Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:07pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:05pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:00pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:37pm:
Enquiring mind wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:30pm:
My prediction is that houses in future will be designed and built with 100% solar power - completely off the grid.


Wouldn't it be nice, eh? Sounds great, but I can't see a situation where that could be feasible, given that clouds would just make it an impossibility in some places, as well as the fact that some regions in the extreme north and south face months of darkness on end. We will always rely on power stations to some degree. What powers them and how big they are in 100 years time is anyone's guess.


In Australia?  Grin Grin Grin Grin name these regions ?


Did I mention Australia? Duh!


Grin Grin Grin Grin

so your argument against renewables is that the North Pole and Antartica have several months of darkness?
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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Reply #25 - Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:09pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:34pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 9:41pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 9:37pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 9:28pm:
Renewables aren't cheap and they have driven the price of electricty up... Cheesy Grin Roll Eyes


no, greedy company executives have driven the price of electricity up ...... and as they lose market share to renewables they will need to keep driving up prices to maintain their profit levels ... it's just not sustainable long term no matter how hard they try or how much govt. props them up.

You idiot, renewable energy prices are driving prices up.  It costs more for the electricity companies to produce electricity that way.  The fact they are also paying many people above market prices for putting electricity into the grid is also putting up prices.  Those of us without the means to afford solar arrays are in fact subsidising those who can by paying higher prices and paying for their above market rate rebates.


The fact that renewable energy is so heavily subsidised is undeniable proof of how expensive it is. Take away ALL of the subsidies and no one but the rich could possibly afford it.


Correction. Only that renewable energy that does not pose a threat to Coal receives any form of subsidy.

Cheap renewable energy in Australia is still concealed by Greg Hunt, and Coalition banned for not requiring Coal back up.
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Reply #26 - Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:17pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:07pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:05pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:00pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:37pm:
Enquiring mind wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:30pm:
My prediction is that houses in future will be designed and built with 100% solar power - completely off the grid.


Wouldn't it be nice, eh? Sounds great, but I can't see a situation where that could be feasible, given that clouds would just make it an impossibility in some places, as well as the fact that some regions in the extreme north and south face months of darkness on end. We will always rely on power stations to some degree. What powers them and how big they are in 100 years time is anyone's guess.


In Australia?  Grin Grin Grin Grin name these regions ?


Did I mention Australia? Duh!


Grin Grin Grin Grin

so your argument against renewables is that the North Pole and Antartica have several months of darkness?
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



I guess you've never heard of Alaska, Canada, Russia & Siberia, Finland, Iceland?
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Reply #27 - Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:21pm
 
Enquiring mind wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:30pm:
My prediction is that houses in future will be designed and built with 100% solar power - completely off the grid. The transition to solar power is already happening at a far quicker rate than anyone expected. The next development will be long-life battery power capable of storing solar power for cloudy or rainy days. At present, excess solar power goes into the grid.

Cars will be electric. They’ll be plugged in at night, and service stations will offer recharged batteries instead of petrol. This will happen further down the track. It’s a fair way off, but the technology exists to do this now.

Manufacturing is different, but manufacturing in Australia is rapidly declining. Clive Palmer is right - "air moves around the world". China is now the main source of manufacturing, and there is a huge popular push to improve air quality there. In Beijing and Shanghai, it is the number one issue.

Renewable energy is the future. It’s only a matter of when. Governments can be either with it or against it. Given the economic importance of coal mining in Australia (and its political donations and lobbying),  it is in the interest of both major parties to support it.

Renewable energy like solar (and to a lesser extent, geothermal.and wind power), will eventually put coal out of business.


North Korea has just built the worlds biggest CO2 plant for energy purposes.

China now per year produces 100,000 10Kw CO2 turbine generators run at air temperature.

CO2 turbine generators commence working at -30*C so finding heat for operation is not overly difficult.

That the Coalition bans such cheap electricity to keep Coal happy leaves no doubt to why the Liberals and Nationals parades their Ition with Coal.

Attachment one form/type only of CO2 turbine.
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Reply #28 - Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:26pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:17pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:07pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:05pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:00pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:37pm:
Enquiring mind wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:30pm:
My prediction is that houses in future will be designed and built with 100% solar power - completely off the grid.


Wouldn't it be nice, eh? Sounds great, but I can't see a situation where that could be feasible, given that clouds would just make it an impossibility in some places, as well as the fact that some regions in the extreme north and south face months of darkness on end. We will always rely on power stations to some degree. What powers them and how big they are in 100 years time is anyone's guess.


In Australia?  Grin Grin Grin Grin name these regions ?


Did I mention Australia? Duh!


Grin Grin Grin Grin

so your argument against renewables is that the North Pole and Antartica have several months of darkness?
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



I guess you've never heard of Alaska, Canada, Russia & Siberia, Finland, Iceland?

I guess you haven't heard of wind power and other forms of sustainable energy? Who ever said sustainable energy HAD to be solar?
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Reply #29 - Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:31pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:17pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:07pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:05pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:00pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:37pm:
Enquiring mind wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:30pm:
My prediction is that houses in future will be designed and built with 100% solar power - completely off the grid.


Wouldn't it be nice, eh? Sounds great, but I can't see a situation where that could be feasible, given that clouds would just make it an impossibility in some places, as well as the fact that some regions in the extreme north and south face months of darkness on end. We will always rely on power stations to some degree. What powers them and how big they are in 100 years time is anyone's guess.


In Australia?  Grin Grin Grin Grin name these regions ?


Did I mention Australia? Duh!


Grin Grin Grin Grin

so your argument against renewables is that the North Pole and Antartica have several months of darkness?
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



I guess you've never heard of Alaska, Canada, Russia & Siberia, Finland, Iceland?


sure, but what have they to do with the price of electricity in Australia?  Grin Grin Grin
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