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The pendulum ought not to swing between extremities of two much and too little government. The former leads to Communism, while the latter to ersatz capitalism. What we are experiencing in 21st century America is ersatz capitalism resulting in a deep wealth inequality.


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Reply #46 - Jun 30th, 2014 at 11:21am
 
How the Government Subsidizes Wealth Inequality


By Harry Stein | June 25, 2014

Center for American Progress

Renowned French economist Thomas Piketty’s Capital in the Twenty-First Century thoroughly documents how those at the very top of the income distribution are pulling away from the rest of us. In the United States, wealth inequality has skyrocketed to levels not seen since the 1920s, with the top 0.01 percent of Americans owning more than 10 percent of all national wealth. As sobering as that is, Piketty argues that economic inequality will grow even worse over time, based on his contention that the rate of return on capital will exceed the overall growth rate for the economy. If capital, or wealth, grows faster than the economy, then the owners of that capital and their heirs will amass an even larger share of total national wealth over time. To reverse this trend, Piketty advocates a global wealth tax.

This issue brief puts aside the question of whether new policies, such as a global wealth tax, should be enacted to reduce economic inequality. Instead, it explores two existing policies that actually subsidize wealth inequality. First, reduced tax rates on capital gains and dividends increase the after-tax rate of return on wealth, which makes it more likely that the rate of return on capital will exceed the overall economic growth rate. Second, capital gains are never subject to the income tax at all if the investor dies, which subsidizes wealth concentration within a family dynasty.

These two subsidies will cost the U.S. federal government about $2 trillion over the next 10 years, almost all of which will go to the wealthiest Americans. Past Congresses have repealed both of these subsidies at different points in time, though they were later revived by subsequent legislation. Recently, tax reform proposals from both sides of the political spectrum have once again advocated scaling back or eliminating these subsidies.

Even if new policy interventions such as a global wealth tax are not politically or administratively feasible at this time, the federal government could still decisively respond to growing wealth inequality by simply scaling back the tax subsidies that help the rich get richer.
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Reply #47 - Jun 30th, 2014 at 11:30am
 
The greatest crisis facing America is the obscene level of wealth and income inequality. While the rich get richer, the middle class continues to disappear. We have more people living in poverty than ever before. In recent years, 95 percent of all new income is going to the top 1 percent.

There are countless signs that our culture is sick with greed, and if it isn't cured soon it will prove fatal for America. CEO's now make 273 times what the average worker makes. The average CEO's salary reached a new record high of $9.7 million in 2012. America is rotting from within while the rich smile and gloat.
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Reply #48 - Jun 30th, 2014 at 11:42am
 
Wealth creation is in a linear relationship to intelligence and hard work.

Now, I agree, inheritance is an unfair advantage but in todays economic climate, anyone with intelligence and a good work ethic , can and will become wealthy if that is what they desire.

Intelligence is more than a good education. It is the intelligence to pick your "niche" in the economy.

I would not advise anyone to be an "employee" for very long.
Why make someone else rich.

I would consider the following people "intelligent"

The horse breaker at glenlogan stud who pulls $500k a year.
The horse chiropractor who services these studs and pulls $500k a year.
Despite limited education, both are a success because of their work ethic and skill set.

I would consider the following people "unintelligent"

Someone who does a degree in many of the over subscribed uni courses with poor job prospects.

Wealth is not the be all and end all though.
The bonds of "community" are as bankable as $$$$.

So a good small business person with a good reputation who falls on hard times will have a "social network and community respect" which will enable him to bounce straight back after a business failure.

This is where, your human contacts and reputation are critical.

It is not what you know but who you know and whether they know they can rely on you.If you never burn bridges, work hard, are mindful of putting the customer first, you can nearly guarantee success in the end.
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Reply #49 - Jun 30th, 2014 at 11:57am
 
What is being considered wealth here, is ultimately the proceeds of crime derived through access to and participation in corrupt system. The market or economy is the administration of spoils gained through organised crime and military conquest. While they may have good intentions, most wealthy people are benefitting from the proceeds of crime and affiliation with criminal networks.
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Winston Smith wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 11:57am:
What is being considered wealth here, is ultimately the proceeds of crime derived through access to and participation in corrupt system. The market or economy is the administration of spoils gained through organised crime and military conquest. While they may have good intentions, most wealthy people are benefitting from the proceeds of crime and affiliation with criminal networks.



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Reply #51 - Jun 30th, 2014 at 12:00pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 11:59am:
Winston Smith wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 11:57am:
What is being considered wealth here, is ultimately the proceeds of crime derived through access to and participation in corrupt system. The market or economy is the administration of spoils gained through organised crime and military conquest. While they may have good intentions, most wealthy people are benefitting from the proceeds of crime and affiliation with criminal networks.



You gotta be in it to win it


What does that even mean? Roll Eyes
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Reply #52 - Jun 30th, 2014 at 12:04pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 11:42am:
Wealth creation is in a linear relationship to intelligence and hard work.

Now, I agree, inheritance is an unfair advantage but in todays economic climate, anyone with intelligence and a good work ethic , can and will become wealthy if that is what they desire.

Intelligence is more than a good education. It is the intelligence to pick your "niche" in the economy.

I would not advise anyone to be an "employee" for very long.
Why make someone else rich.

I would consider the following people "intelligent"

The horse breaker at glenlogan stud who pulls $500k a year.
The horse chiropractor who services these studs and pulls $500k a year.
Despite limited education, both are a success because of their work ethic and skill set.

I would consider the following people "unintelligent"

Someone who does a degree in many of the over subscribed uni courses with poor job prospects.

Wealth is not the be all and end all though.
The bonds of "community" are as bankable as $$$$.

So a good small business person with a good reputation who falls on hard times will have a "social network and community respect" which will enable him to bounce straight back after a business failure.

This is where, your human contacts and reputation are critical.

It is not what you know but who you know and whether they know they can rely on you.If you never burn bridges, work hard, are mindful of putting the customer first, you can nearly guarantee success in the end.

Hmmmmmmmmn: it's not what you know it's who you know!

The story of inheritance runs deep  Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley  Cheesy

You seem to be redefining 'intelligence'

--> further, the intelligent own one house: they don't set out on a path to earn exponential returns on work effort as one house is enough!

linear relationship, lol  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #53 - Jun 30th, 2014 at 12:11pm
 
Adask's law:

It’s nearly three years since gold peaked at $1900/ounce.  Today, it’s about $1,270.  Since the A.D. 2011, $1900 peak, the price of gold has fallen 33%.

This prolonged fall has been incomprehensible to me.  I can understand a “correction”.  I can understand that gold might fall, say, 30%.  But I’d expect that after gold fell 30%, “fundamentals” would quickly cause gold to rebound to ever-higher levels.

However, I could not understand (until now) why gold would linger at current low levels despite all the fundamentals that I believe should be pushing gold ever higher–even now.

For example, one “fundamental” (at least, to my mind) is the fact that our government needs inflation to repudiate part of the enormous national debt and thereby allow government to repay its debts with “cheaper” dollars. That’s why the price of gold (though manipulated) was allowed to rise 20% per year for most of a decade before the A.D. 2011 peak.  The “manipulation” didn’t push gold down, per se, but it prevented it from rising as quickly as it might have.  The rising price of gold confirmed that inflation was present, the fiat dollar was losing value, and the national debt was being partially repudiated.

Given government’s “fundamental” need to repudiate at least part of the national debt by means of inflation, it made sense to me that government would allow the price of gold to rise at, say, 20% per year–but not 30% or 50%.

But then gov-co knocked gold down from $1,900 to today’s $1,270 and has held it at these low levels.  That’s evidence of growing value of the fiat dollar.  That’s evidence of deflation which is anathema to economic growth.

Holding the price of gold down contributes to an increase in the value of the fiat dollar and therefore an increase in the purchasing power of the national debt.  Holding the price of gold down contributes to deflation which causes economic decline.

So, it’s made no sense to me that the government has depressed the price of gold for most of three years.  Doing so appeared to me to be contrary to government’s own interests.

Worse, it’s been supposed that the downward manipulation of gold prices may have been achieved by government secretly selling some or most of the 8,200 tons of gold allegedly held in the US Treasury into the commodities markets at low, low, prices.  Why sell the US Treasury’s gold?  To maintain the illusion that the fiat dollar still have strong purchasing power and value.  They sold the gold to protect the dollar.

I considered those suspicions and marveled that government could be so damn dumb that they’d sell off America’s gold treasury at artificially reduced prices in order to temporarily protect and sustain the perceived value of the intrinsically-worthless fiat dollar.  Gov-co appeared to be literally giving our gold away to temporarily support the fiat dollar.  Didn’t they know that, inevitably, the markets would consume every damn gram of gold held in the US Treasury?  Didn’t they understand that the fiat dollar was inevitably doomed to die?  And why were they selling “our” gold to foreign entities (like China?) rather than, at least, to the American people?

On reflection, I realize that the previous questions weren’t evidence of the government’s ignorance, but rather, of mine.

Of course (if they are truly selling off the US Treasury’s gold), the government knows that soon that Treasury will soon be empty.  Of course, they know.

So, why are the selling US gold?

Because that just might be exactly what they want–a US Treasury devoid of gold.

Why?

Clearly, government knows that the fiat dollar (like every other fiat currency) must eventually collapse in value.  Maybe this year.  Maybe five years from now.  But, inevitably, the fiat dollar must die.

I presume government also knows that once the fiat dollar dies, the American people will go through so much economic trauma that they’ll be actually forced to learn what the terms “fiat dollar” and “fiat currency” mean.  (Imagine!  An economic depression so severe that Americans are forced actually learn something!  Scary thought, hmm?)

Once Americans associate the term “fiat dollars” with economic trauma, they’ll be extremely reluctant to agree to replace today’s “fiat dollar” with another new-and-improved “fiat currency”.  Instead, there’ll be a significant public demand for a new, gold-backed currency.   The Powers That Be might not be able to resist that public demand in the arena of public opinion.  If public demand were sufficiently strong, we might actually get a gold-based currency.

But if America’s public demand for a gold-based currency couldn’t be defeated politically, the entire, global, fiat-currency system would probably be destroyed.   That fiat currency system is the foundation for big government and the New World Order.  If the world goes back to a gold-based monetary system, big government and the New World Order will die.

From the New World Order’s perspective, if the United States couldn’t reestablish a gold-based currency, it’s also unlikely that any other nation (including China) could do so, except at a fantastic price of, say, $50,000/ounce, for physical gold.

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Reply #54 - Jun 30th, 2014 at 12:15pm
 
Someone on Facebook added: Except this picture is not of a government. It is a family who have sponged off the welfare state for hundreds of years. They do not govern. They have no purpose. They are given places to live that most people can only ever fantasize about. At the same time people who are unable to work are taxed (inversely) on any spare rooms that they have in their houses. This is known as the “bedroom tax”. They go through life NEVER achieving anything for themselves as they are surrounded by sycophants who are more than willing to pave the way for them. They are given wonderful lifestyles for no reason other than “that’s just the way it is”. They have no concept of hardship.
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Reply #55 - Jun 30th, 2014 at 12:25pm
 
Winston Smith wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 12:00pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 11:59am:
Winston Smith wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 11:57am:
What is being considered wealth here, is ultimately the proceeds of crime derived through access to and participation in corrupt system. The market or economy is the administration of spoils gained through organised crime and military conquest. While they may have good intentions, most wealthy people are benefitting from the proceeds of crime and affiliation with criminal networks.



You gotta be in it to win it


What does that even mean? Roll Eyes


oh winnie, it means you don't like the system , but, guess what, its the only game in town, so you had better start playing Wink
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Reply #56 - Jun 30th, 2014 at 12:27pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 12:25pm:
Winston Smith wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 12:00pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 11:59am:
Winston Smith wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 11:57am:
What is being considered wealth here, is ultimately the proceeds of crime derived through access to and participation in corrupt system. The market or economy is the administration of spoils gained through organised crime and military conquest. While they may have good intentions, most wealthy people are benefitting from the proceeds of crime and affiliation with criminal networks.



You gotta be in it to win it


What does that even mean? Roll Eyes

oh winnie, it means you don't like the system , but, guess what, its the only game in town, so you had better start playing Wink

better shutdown oz politic then as no discussion shall be tolerated  Cool
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Reply #57 - Jun 30th, 2014 at 12:31pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 12:04pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 11:42am:
Wealth creation is in a linear relationship to intelligence and hard work.

Now, I agree, inheritance is an unfair advantage but in todays economic climate, anyone with intelligence and a good work ethic , can and will become wealthy if that is what they desire.

Intelligence is more than a good education. It is the intelligence to pick your "niche" in the economy.

I would not advise anyone to be an "employee" for very long.
Why make someone else rich.

I would consider the following people "intelligent"

The horse breaker at glenlogan stud who pulls $500k a year.
The horse chiropractor who services these studs and pulls $500k a year.
Despite limited education, both are a success because of their work ethic and skill set.

I would consider the following people "unintelligent"

Someone who does a degree in many of the over subscribed uni courses with poor job prospects.

Wealth is not the be all and end all though.
The bonds of "community" are as bankable as $$$$.

So a good small business person with a good reputation who falls on hard times will have a "social network and community respect" which will enable him to bounce straight back after a business failure.

This is where, your human contacts and reputation are critical.

It is not what you know but who you know and whether they know they can rely on you.If you never burn bridges, work hard, are mindful of putting the customer first, you can nearly guarantee success in the end.

Hmmmmmmmmn: it's not what you know it's who you know!

The story of inheritance runs deep  Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley  Cheesy

You seem to be redefining 'intelligence'

--> further, the intelligent own one house: they don't set out on a path to earn exponential returns on work effort as one house is enough!

linear relationship, lol  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



as I said, who you know and what they think about you are as bankable as $$$.
sociologically, we probably are responding to a genetic drive to see our children succeed.
so if you own a house, why not own a couple more for the kids.
many small business people put their kids into the family business (OFTEN WITH DISASTROUS CONSEQUENCES). this would be responding to a genetic drive to see your spawn prosper but if you didn't use your "intelligence" to prepare them for this role, you simply aren't intelligent.
again, its not what you know its who you know. if you don't "know" your own kids, you haven't understood the importance of human relationships to business success, human success and social intelligence.
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Reply #58 - Jun 30th, 2014 at 12:33pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 12:27pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 12:25pm:
Winston Smith wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 12:00pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 11:59am:
Winston Smith wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 11:57am:
What is being considered wealth here, is ultimately the proceeds of crime derived through access to and participation in corrupt system. The market or economy is the administration of spoils gained through organised crime and military conquest. While they may have good intentions, most wealthy people are benefitting from the proceeds of crime and affiliation with criminal networks.



You gotta be in it to win it


What does that even mean? Roll Eyes

oh winnie, it means you don't like the system , but, guess what, its the only game in town, so you had better start playing Wink

better shutdown oz politic then as no discussion shall be tolerated  Cool



again, you would be showing very little intelligence if you thought the system was going to change because someone has a tantrum on an internet forum. Wink
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Reply #59 - Jun 30th, 2014 at 12:36pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 12:25pm:
Winston Smith wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 12:00pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 11:59am:
Winston Smith wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 11:57am:
What is being considered wealth here, is ultimately the proceeds of crime derived through access to and participation in corrupt system. The market or economy is the administration of spoils gained through organised crime and military conquest. While they may have good intentions, most wealthy people are benefitting from the proceeds of crime and affiliation with criminal networks.



You gotta be in it to win it


What does that even mean? Roll Eyes


oh winnie, it means you don't like the system , but, guess what, its the only game in town, so you had better start playing Wink


So you agree that system is corrupt to the core?

Are you a criminal aquascoot?
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