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Reply #180 - Jul 5th, 2014 at 9:38am
 
ian wrote on Jul 5th, 2014 at 9:15am:
Winston Smith wrote on Jul 5th, 2014 at 9:05am:
ian wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 4:28pm:
Winston Smith wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 11:33am:
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Well you are telling the story, but I notice that you still haven't disputed my postion with facts in any of those cases.

You would rather attack me for exposing fallacious thinking.
You dont have a position winston other than to use multi syllabic thinly veiled personal attacks. And i didnt attack you, I made my observations of you clear.


My latest position in relation to you is rejecting your assertion that I somehow use faux intellectualism and flowery vocabulary to win arguments.

I will also add that it is not a personal attack to question the cognitive ability of someone who appears to become completely incapable of coherent communication when questioned on their reasoning.

It's clear to me your observations are based on personal frustration at my intolerance to attitudes and opinions based on misinformation or malignant lies.

As well as being fat and weak you are a faux intellectual winston.


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Reply #181 - Jul 5th, 2014 at 11:59am
 
Ultra-rich man's letter: "To My Fellow Filthy Rich Americans: The Pitchforks Are Coming"


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By NICK HANAUER | politico You probably don’t know me, but like you I am one of those .01%ers, a proud and unapologetic capitalist. I have founded, co-founded and funded more than 30 companies acro…

http://topinfopost.com/2014/06/30/ultra-rich-mans-letter-to-my-fellow-filthy-rich-americans-the-pitchforks-are-coming


SOMEONE GIVE THIS MAN A FRIGGING MEDAL
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Reply #182 - Jul 5th, 2014 at 12:19pm
 
America is only half-primed for a violent revolution


Internet billionaire Nick Hanauer is right to worry that income inequality could lead to pitchforks. But he misses a few other important measures.

The top 1 percent should watch their backs.

That's according to internet billionaire Nick Hanauer — one of the earliest investors in Amazon.com — who argues in Politico that rising income and wealth inequality is likely to become an existential threat to the lives and fortunes of the wealthiest:

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If we don't do something to fix the glaring inequities in this economy, the pitchforks are going to come for us. No society can sustain this kind of rising inequality. In fact, there is no example in human history where wealth accumulated like this and the pitchforks didn't eventually come out. [Politico]


He envisages that the U.S. is by no means immune to the kind of revolutionary violence that beset aristocrats in France in the 18th century, and Russia in the early 20th. He proposes what he calls "middle-out" economics, which involves substantially increasing the minimum wage and boosting the spending power of millions of people, to avoid such an outcome.

So, is he right? Is revolution in the air?

The philosopher Aristotle was the first known thinker to argue that inequality can trigger a revolution. That was certainly the case during the French Revolution, when punitive taxes on the lower and middle classes redistributed wealth to France's aristocracy.

And, it's definitely true that the U.S. in the last few years has experienced conditions that have led to severe social and political discontent — a financial crisis, a very deep recession with a slow recovery, mass unemployment, and large numbers of home foreclosures. Trust in just about every American institution has plummeted. And most worrisome of all: Economic inequality in America today is worse than it was in 1774, just before the American Revolution.

So it's no shock to see that this era has already seen two movements — Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Party — that have channeled, to varying degrees of success, the kind of anti-establishment zeal and revolutionary rhetoric that fired the original American revolution.

But here is where Hanauer's warning fails: A sour economic situation alone is by no means enough for a revolution. Research suggests that aside from economic inequality, mass institutional corruption is necessary to galvanize the anger necessary for civil unrest.

And on those measures, the data suggests that the U.S. is far less ripe for a revolution than other countries. According to Transparency International's Corruption Perception Index, the U.S. is one of the least corrupt countries in the world, ranking 17th out of 177. That was better than 2012, when the U.S. ranked 19th.

And while the U.S. is one of the less equal countries in the world — ranking as the 93rd most equal out of 155 nations measured by the World Bank — the evidence shows that other countries are far closer to the danger zone. In terms of inequality and corruption, the countries judged to be most vulnerable to civil unrest in 2014 are Argentina, China, Egypt, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Russia, South Africa, Thailand, and Venezuela.

I'd add in two more factors considered to have galvanized recent revolutions, including the Arab Spring: mass unemployment particularly youth unemployment, and rising food prices. Having nothing to do, little to lose, and no food to eat can rile up discontent like nothing else.

And, again, by those measures the U.S. appears relatively safe. Unemployment is down to 6.3 percent, a far cry from the 11 percent rate that Egypt had during its 2011 revolution, or the 25 percent levels that have in recent years triggered mass protests and riots in Greece and Spain. Youth unemployment in the U.S. is 13.2 percent, down from 18.4 percent level it peaked at in 2010, and also a far cry from the 25 percent levels experienced in countries that participated in the Arab Spring.

Meanwhile, food inflation is currently running at 2.3 percent, close to the historically normal levels of the 1990s and 2000s.

So while I think Hanauer is right to worry about rising inequality, the U.S. is still a long, long way from a revolution.

http://theweek.com/article/index/264127/america-is-only-half-primed-for-a-violent-revolution
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Reply #183 - Jul 5th, 2014 at 12:21pm
 
vikaryan wrote on Jul 5th, 2014 at 12:19pm:
America is only half-primed for a violent revolution


And, again, by those measures the U.S. appears relatively safe. Unemployment is down to 6.3 percent, a far cry from the 11 percent rate that Egypt had during its 2011 revolution, or the 25 percent levels that have in recent years triggered mass protests and riots in Greece and Spain. Youth unemployment in the U.S. is 13.2 percent, down from 18.4 percent level it peaked at in 2010, and also a far cry from the 25 percent levels experienced in countries that participated in the Arab Spring.

Meanwhile, food inflation is currently running at 2.3 percent, close to the historically normal levels of the 1990s and 2000s.

So while I think Hanauer is right to worry about rising inequality, the U.S. is still a long, long way from a revolution.

http://theweek.com/article/index/264127/america-is-only-half-primed-for-a-violent-revolution


Unemployment numbers have become meaningless


A higher percentage of people are living “outside the workforce” than any time in the past 50 years. The president has done a lot. Remember the stimulus? Think Solyndra. Remember his tax policy? Huge drag on the economy. Remember Obamacare? (I bet you do!) Extra huge drag on the economy. Remember his energy policy? Another drag on the economy. Remember environmental policy? Yep.

An objective person might believe that we would have been significantly better off if President Obama had gone on vacation in 2009 and kept his Blackberry in his pocket.

Doing nothing is better than doing all the wrong things. Better for everybody!

PS... The people who are still trying to convince you that this is all George Bush’s fault count on you being stupid! Don’t be.

http://www.theadvertiser.com/story/opinion/2014/01/12/letter-to-the-editor-unemployment-numbers-have-become-meaningless/4448657/
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Reply #184 - Jul 5th, 2014 at 12:35pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 29th, 2014 at 9:00pm:
vikaryan wrote on Jun 29th, 2014 at 11:17am:
Gina Rinehart is living proof that you must never judge a person by his/her wealth.


There are countless other examples, however.


It's only when you speaks I detest her wealth, otherwise someone has to strike it lucky and find the minerals!


Yeah but it was her dad who struck it lucky and she just got rich off his back.
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Reply #185 - Jul 5th, 2014 at 1:14pm
 
Since corporations are third-hand creations and can not have any inalienable rights, the Hobby Folly is a direct contradiction of the Declaration of Independence. To say that governments may endow corporations with the same rights that the Creator endows people with borders on blasphemy.

http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20140703/ARTICLES/140709877/-1/news0103?Title=Letters-to-the-editor-July-4-2014

There is significant quantitative empirical evidence that international trade is the fundamental mechanism of privatizing gain and socializing loss. If one regresses debt/GDP against manufacturing job loss, one finds that job export closely predicts a country’s debt/GDP.

Because of international trade, the governments in the U.S., Eurozone and Japan are in the terminal stages of failed states: first the surplus was squandered, then the easy credit and now printing money to create an illusion of prosperity.

It is time to ask, “Why are we doing this?”

Unregulated international trade is an economic dead end of mass unemployment, deflation, international contention, societal division and the corruption that inevitably follows the concentration of economic power. Only when we reject failed ideology will the American Dream for average Americans be restored.


http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130906/EDITORIAL/130909796/1021/FOOD
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Reply #186 - Jul 5th, 2014 at 1:24pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Jun 29th, 2014 at 11:21am:
Profound.

Judging by race is perfectly acceptable though, right?



Two wrongs are known to never make a right either
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Reply #187 - Jul 5th, 2014 at 1:53pm
 
fractalign wrote on Jul 5th, 2014 at 12:35pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 29th, 2014 at 9:00pm:
vikaryan wrote on Jun 29th, 2014 at 11:17am:
Gina Rinehart is living proof that you must never judge a person by his/her wealth.


There are countless other examples, however.


It's only when you speaks I detest her wealth, otherwise someone has to strike it lucky and find the minerals!


Yeah but it was her dad who struck it lucky and she just got rich off his back.

That I don't mind: all wealth is inherited but the things she says are simply best left unsaid!
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Reply #188 - Jul 5th, 2014 at 3:29pm
 
“Labor and capital have to share in the rewards of a productive economy, and for the last 25 years labor has gotten the short end of the stick. It’s a fundamental factor that will influence not only the U.S. economy, but global economies going forward… It will be destabilizing. [Henry] Ford knew way back when, when he paid five bucks an hour to his workers in Detroit, that workers buy cars and that if they were earning a dollar an hour as opposed to five they wouldn’t be able to afford a Ford.”

— Bill Gross, the founder of the investment firm PIMCO
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Reply #189 - Jul 5th, 2014 at 4:02pm
 
Even Goldman Sachs’ CEO knows wealth inequality is a problem


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One of the richest men in America has finally conceded that income inequality is a problem.

Goldman Sachs CEO and Chairman Lloyd Blankfein told CBS in an interview last week that wealth distribution in America needs fixing. “It’s a very big issue and something that has to be dealt with,” said the man who made $20 million in 2013 alone and has a net worth of approximately $450 million.


http://mic.com/articles/91315/the-ceo-of-goldman-sachs-finally-admitted-the-obvious-fact-the-rest-of-us-already-knew?utm_source=policymicTBLR&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=social
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Reply #190 - Jul 5th, 2014 at 4:11pm
 
vikaryan wrote on Jul 5th, 2014 at 4:02pm:
Even Goldman Sachs’ CEO knows wealth inequality is a problem


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One of the richest men in America has finally conceded that income inequality is a problem.

Goldman Sachs CEO and Chairman Lloyd Blankfein told CBS in an interview last week that wealth distribution in America needs fixing. “It’s a very big issue and something that has to be dealt with,” said the man who made $20 million in 2013 alone and has a net worth of approximately $450 million.


http://mic.com/articles/91315/the-ceo-of-goldman-sachs-finally-admitted-the-obvious-fact-the-rest-of-us-already-knew?utm_source=policymicTBLR&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=social


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what's sad, is blankenmind's main reason for reform is to avoid a revolution of the poor so the 1% can keep making more $$$$. he is basically saying the rich have won the class war so convincingly, most of the county is living in poverty an will revolt if we don't give them a few crumbs. america's middle class and poor are totally defeated.


http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/06/13/3448679/goldman-sachs-income-inequality/
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Reply #191 - Jul 5th, 2014 at 4:26pm
 
Corporatism = Fascism. ~ Benito Mussolini


Mussolini loved public-private partnerships


So the jargon is creeping in to our political vernacular with the pretense that this public-private partnership is a wonderful thing. Public-private partnerships are also called P3s. I have to wonder if anyone in elected office or in the general population has any idea what this public-private partnership method actually means.

Public, meaning government; private, meaning capitalistic enterprise; partnership, meaning a merger in contract law of the two entities. Why would elected officials find this so alluring? Money. The government coffers are operating on debt to accommodate all of the spending they want. But the citizenry is taxed out.

So where are the elected officials going to get more money for all of the spending? From the business sector. Why would businesses find this alluring? Taxpayers are guaranteeing the profits for the businesses while socializing the losses in the P3 contracts. Meanwhile, government gets the privilege of choosing which businesses get this benefit, thereby tamping down competition and controlling private enterprise. It’s a “heads I win, tails you lose” proposition, except for the taxpayers.

There is some confusion about what used to be outsourcing (services and goods) and P3s. In years past, when government promised a service that government could not provide on its own, such as paving roads, the government would send out a bidding process to hire a service provider to do the work. That is not a public-private partnership. P3s create a marriage between government and businesses, creating a dual ownership of the taxpayer-owned asset, such as the roads. P3s make you, the taxpayer, a shareholder in a private business whether you personally wanted to buy in or not. If the asset fails, or doesn’t perform up to predictions, the business doesn’t pay the loss, you do. (Think Solyndra)

Someone will try to convince you that P3s are “business friendly,” capitalistic, and are good for the country. These particular politicians promoting P3s are only looking to put you on the hook for their pet projects. They will tell you this is all very voluntary. But you know what? You, personally, did not volunteer your hard earned money to risk in these P3 ventures. You are necessarily forced to join a partnership contract and bear the risks of it. Where is the free market in that?

The Italian Fascist movement in Italy was created by Benito Mussolini. The crux of the Fascist movement was “corporatism” or also “corporativism,” as it was known at that time. What Mussolini did was co-opt corporations to do the communal/government work of society. If the business refused, well, “Off with their heads!” This did not end well. Mussolini was brutally hung in the public square eventually. But hey, they say he made the trains run on time!

Obamacare is one giant mega-P3, where insurance companies, doctors, and hospitals were forced into a contract with the federal government, and you, the taxpayers, were brought in through the force of the IRS to guarantee all of it. The I-77 Hot Lane toll road north of Charlotte is a P3 where all state taxpayers are guaranteeing the profits of a foreign management company. Federal taxpayers are on the hook there, as well, through federal loans.

America’s success is in great part due to the free market system, a free market that is being murdered day after day by legislative bodies, in DC, Raleigh and locally. These legislative bodies over spent, tapped out the tills, and now they are just going around the barn and coming after you from another direction. If we have elected Americans so incredibility ungrounded in the basics of the free market and the free will of the citizens, Mussolini has to be laughing in his grave.

Obamacare IS corporatist. Here we have the industries that are significant contributors to why the American medical system is so overpriced – the health insurers and Big Pharma – actually playing a major role in writing the legislation. And how is it not a sop to large companies to have the government require that citizens buy your product or else pay large tax penalties? Mr. Market certainly thought so, for the price of health insurer and drug company stocks jumped the day the ACA passed.

And remember, the beneficiaries of Obamacare extend beyond the insurers and pharmaceutical makers. Hospitals, who increasingly engage in oligopoly pricing (most surgeries need to be done in hospitals), also come out even stronger because new requirements imposed on doctors’ practices will make it difficult for a retiring MD who practices medicine, as opposed to servicing the rich (e.g., cosmetic surgeons) to sell their business to anyone other than a hospital.

http://www.gastongazette.com/opinion/columns/column-mussolini-loved-public-private-partnerships-1.341198
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Reply #192 - Jul 6th, 2014 at 12:22pm
 
“Capitalism and feminism are on a collision course, because capitalism depends on the unpaid care work of women in the family. One major analysis showed that the rate of American women’s labor force participation was slowing compared to the other OECD countries and identified the US’s failure to enact family-friendly labor policies as the chief culprit. Another important study found that the persistence of the gender pay gap was largely due to the lack of workplace flexibility in many sectors and occupations.


It is no accident that the societies ranked as having the most gender equality are the European social democracies, which tend to have the most economic equality, as well. It is also hardly coincidental that in America over the past twenty years, feminism has stalled while economic inequality has skyrocketed. Both feminism’s halt and inequality’s surge are connected to the rise of the neoliberal capitalist state, with its deregulated workplaces, its deep cuts in social services and its reliance on the unpaid labor of women to provide care.”

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Reply #193 - Jul 6th, 2014 at 12:29pm
 
The Corporate Coup d’état and Subversion of the Rule of Law


The First Amendment was the first casualty of this corporate coup d’état of the U.S. Constitution. Over the years, the principle of equality before the law has been effectively diminished and many have been excluded from the circle of We the People. The consolidation of media corporations took over public airwaves and began to filter the flow of information. With the control of money through a privately owned Federal Reserve and corporate trade agreements such as WTO and NAFTA, bankers and transnational corporations have been imposing regulation and restricting the flow of finance and labor to subvert the sovereignty of whole nations. Now, thanks to WikiLeaks, this blatant takeover of governments and economies by hidden private interests can no longer stay under the radar.

http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/07/wikileaks-anonymous-bitcoin-and-the-first-amendment-revolution/
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Reply #194 - Jul 6th, 2014 at 12:59pm
 
According to Lively, the elites of both the Republican and Democratic parties are the same, leaving the state with essentially a one-party system. He called both parties “neofeudalists” and said that Republicans control people with “predatory corporatism” while Democrats control people with “plantation dependency.” On his website, he says he believes abortion is murder and homosexuality is condemned by God. During the forum, he said he favored parents home-schooling their children because Massachusetts schools are turning students into “socialist robots.”

Falchuk is calling for a tax modernization commission, and a graduated tax. “Our tax structure is regressive,” he said. While he’s not sure yet if he thinks the top income bracket should pay more, he does think the tax code should be updated for a modern economy. He also wants to stop giving large tax breaks to companies unnecessarily, and cited a $300 million break given to Intel to incentivize keeping a factory open--which the company ended up closing anyway.

http://www.commonwealthmagazine.org/News-and-Features/Online-exclusives/2014/Spring/090-Independents-forum.aspx#.U7i6U7FHUTA

Is America Only Partially Fascist – or is it Worse Than That?

It is true that many historically aware, intelligent people around the globe look at our national security apparatus (NSA, CIA, FBI, militarized police/Swat teams that suppress honest, nonviolent dissent) – and they see Gestapo.

Many of these citizens of the world look at the Stars and Stripes – and they see Swastika.

Many of these same people see fascism when they look at the US’s long history of supporting fascist dictators in nations like Iran, South Korea, South Vietnam, Indonesia, the Philippines, Chile, Argentina, Guatemala, El Salvador, Panama, Colombia, etc. Friendly American fascism was institutionalized during the Cheney/Bush-era at Abu Ghraib in the prisoner abuse scandal, in the legalized torture policies at secret CIA sites and in the prolonged torturous imprisonment of “suspects” at Guantanamo who haven’t been charged with a crime and who haven’t been given a chance to prove their innocence in a trial before their peers.

Fascism in America can be understood when one acknowledges that America is ruled by corporations. Recall that Mussolini, the inventor of fascism, said: “Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power”).

Private corporate interests are fostered and protected, not only by the most lethal and costly weapons systems ever, but by the most brutal and efficient killing force in the history of the world – both paid for by the US taxpayer. Hitler’s monster weapons and his Wehrmacht soldiers were pikers in comparison.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/reflecting-on-the-history-americas-wars-trying-to-feel-patriotic-on-the-fourth-of-july/5389455
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