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Reply #135 - Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:36pm
 
Jamie Dimon diagnosed with cancer


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Are we supposed to care about greedy bankers? They are one of the main reasons the world is in so much crap. Money can't buy you good health, *hole.


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Reply #136 - Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:33pm
 
Historically, as workers became more productive, worker pay rose. Around 1975-80, that tight relationship ended. Worker productivity continued to rise, but workers themselves benefited very little from their improved productivity.

Instead, almost all of the increased profit went to those who owned and ran the company, which explains why the stock market is at record highs, why corporate after-tax profits are at record highs, why the ratio of CEO pay to worker pay has increased by 1,000 percent since 1950, and why median household is down 6.6 percent since 2000. (In Georgia it's down 13.7 percent, more than twice the national average.)

http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/jay-bookman/2014/jul/01/wealth-inequality-destined-end-pitchforks/
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Reply #137 - Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:42pm
 
ian wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:35pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 11:06am:
ian wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 10:55am:
Winston Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 10:03pm:
ian wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 9:50pm:
Winston Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 4:34pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 2:12pm:
Thanks Winston,

You reminded me.

Aqua - Did you notice how Howard was very fit. His daily walk were exactly that is recommended by a doctor.
Abbott .......... well, Ironman triathlete competitor, cyclist, boxer.

Rudd ..............


That's so gay.

(Not that there's anything wrong with that of course.) Wink

Whats gay about being an athlete? Please elaborate winston.


Nothing, I was merely commenting on the latent homosexuality in Sprintycyclist's comments regarding the men he admires and why. Roll Eyes
I think he might have been making the point that athletic achievement sometimes goes hand in hand with personal achievement in general. Certainly being in top physical condition is a pre requisite to having a strong feeling of self worth and purpose in my opinion.


Latent homosexuality,  WTF.

fatties like Palmer obviously have poor self discipline.
no thanks.
I like leaders who have a little more mental toughness than that marshmallow
I dont know the man but his wealth may very well be based solely on his ability to manipulate others, I dont call that a personal achievement. Certainly I would have to say anyone in that condition has a very weak character, I find it hard to have respect for them and I wouldnt vote for them.



I've been aware of Palmer from about ......... 9 years ago.
Not really impressed by him.
He is VERY good in a court and with contracts.
He won a case over the NSW state govt. Which is just taking money from the tapayers, not creating anything.
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Reply #138 - Jul 2nd, 2014 at 4:15pm
 
The problem isn't Wealth Inequality but its Social Mobility.
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[b][center]Socialism had been tried on every continent on earth. In light of its results, it's time to question the motives of its advocates.
 
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Reply #139 - Jul 2nd, 2014 at 6:35pm
 
Why poverty grinds on


In the 150 years, from 1825 till 1975, corporate profits and labor’s wages had risen together. Since the mid- 1970’s profits, productivity and prices have risen steeply while real wages have remained stagnant or have actually declined.

This is no accident. A number of factors have converged to create this travesty. A very small amount of poverty is caused by wanton laziness, but poverty today and the drastic decline of the middle class has been caused by forces beyond the control of average Americans.

Automation and computerization have eliminated far more jobs than they have created.

The corrupting pressure of huge corporate congressional campaign contributions has led to the passage of treaties such as GATT and NAFTA which have given American corporations tax breaks to move their operations to low wage paying foreign countries. Even today, the U.S. Senate is poised to betray the American worker by ratifying the Trans Pacific Parternership treaty which has been authored by elitist international corporate executives and their government cronies.

The women’s liberation movement, which was subsetantially funded by David Rockefeller, an international business broker, banker and no freind of labor, virtually doubled the work force and exerted a tremendous downward pressure on wages.

Congress, the president, and the U.S. judiciary have encouraged and supported the legal and illegal immigration of cheap foreign labor.

Labor unions, allegedly the voice of labor, have rotted from within and have been assailed from without by greedy corporations and government complicity.

Municipal, state and federal government officials have exacerbated the oppression of the middle class by extorting exorbitant taxes and fees from them while rewarding themselves with obscene salaries and benefits.

This disgrace will get even get worse unless and until Vermonters and Americans throw out the incumbents who are not capable of honoring their oaths to protect our inherent rights and then begin a serious discussion about the above issues. Then we, the people, must take profound political action to address this betrayal of the people.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/2014/02/05/letter-to-the-editor-why-poverty-grinds-on/5211315/
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Reply #140 - Jul 2nd, 2014 at 9:07pm
 
vikaryan wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 6:35pm:
Why poverty grinds on


In the 150 years, from 1825 till 1975, corporate profits and labor’s wages had risen together. Since the mid- 1970’s profits, productivity and prices have risen steeply while real wages have remained stagnant or have actually declined.

This is no accident. A number of factors have converged to create this travesty. A very small amount of poverty is caused by wanton laziness, but poverty today and the drastic decline of the middle class has been caused by forces beyond the control of average Americans.

Automation and computerization have eliminated far more jobs than they have created.

The corrupting pressure of huge corporate congressional campaign contributions has led to the passage of treaties such as GATT and NAFTA which have given American corporations tax breaks to move their operations to low wage paying foreign countries. Even today, the U.S. Senate is poised to betray the American worker by ratifying the Trans Pacific Parternership treaty which has been authored by elitist international corporate executives and their government cronies.

The women’s liberation movement, which was subsetantially funded by David Rockefeller, an international business broker, banker and no freind of labor, virtually doubled the work force and exerted a tremendous downward pressure on wages.

Congress, the president, and the U.S. judiciary have encouraged and supported the legal and illegal immigration of cheap foreign labor.

Labor unions, allegedly the voice of labor, have rotted from within and have been assailed from without by greedy corporations and government complicity.

Municipal, state and federal government officials have exacerbated the oppression of the middle class by extorting exorbitant taxes and fees from them while rewarding themselves with obscene salaries and benefits.

This disgrace will get even get worse unless and until Vermonters and Americans throw out the incumbents who are not capable of honoring their oaths to protect our inherent rights and then begin a serious discussion about the above issues. Then we, the people, must take profound political action to address this betrayal of the people.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/2014/02/05/letter-to-the-editor-why-poverty-grinds-on/5211315/


This is why we right wing people want a small limited government, A small limited government would not be able to interfere on the behalf of the huge corporations or lobbying groups, yet being powerful enough to created and reinforced a environment competition was ripe and regulation that benefits the large powerful corporation (which is most) was cut, helping new businesses enter the market and put pressure on these corporation to behave.

We need to return to "classical capitalism" of the 1825-1900 where corporate profits and labor’s wages had risen together, something that has never happened in socialist, communist states.

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Reply #141 - Jul 3rd, 2014 at 8:17am
 
The real reason for increased inequality since the early 1970s. The end of the gold standard.


http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2014/04/the-real-reason-for-increased-inequality-since-the-early-1970s-the-end-of-the-gold-standard/9/
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Reply #142 - Jul 3rd, 2014 at 8:20am
 
vikaryan wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 8:17am:
The real reason for increased inequality since the early 1970s. The end of the gold standard.

http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2014/04/the-real-reason-for-increased-inequality-since-the-early-1970s-the-end-of-the-gold-standard/9/

Nixon Ends Bretton Woods International Monetary System.


This is Richard Nixon making a mistake of colossal scale, and one which may in the end undermine the very economy he said he was trying to defend. The man is just truly a tragic figure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRzr1QU6K1o

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That’s the default that opened the age of fiat money. Or the era that President Nixon supposedly summed up in with Milton Friedman’s immortal words, “We’re all Keynesians now.” This is an age that has seen a sharp change in unemployment patterns. Before this date, unemployment was, by today’s standards, low. This was a pattern that held in Europe (these columns wrote about it in “George Soros’ Two Cents”) and in America (“Yellen’s Missing Jobs”). From 1947 to 1971, unemployment in America ran at the average rate of 4.7%; since 1971 the average unemployment rate has averaged 6.4%. Could this have been a factor in the soaring income inequality that also emerged in the age of fiat money?

This is the question the liberals don’t want to discuss, even acknowledge. They are never going to get it out of their heads that the gold standard is a barbarous relic. They have spent so much of their capital ridiculing the idea of honest money that they daren’t open up the question. It doesn’t take a Ph.D. from MIT or Princeton, however, to imagine that in an age of fiat money, the top decile would have an easier time making hay than would the denizens of the other nine deciles, who aren’t trained in the art of swaps and derivatives.


http://www.nysun.com/editorials/pikettys-gold/88678/
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Reply #143 - Jul 3rd, 2014 at 8:36am
 
The American people now have more reason to believe the Fed’s money-printing policy is hitting them where it hurts, their pockets. U.S. consumer prices across-the-board posted their largest increase in more than a year in the month of May, as inflation pressures fueled by fiat money begin to manifest.

http://www.peoplespunditdaily.com/2014/06/17/news-events/finance-economy/consumer-prices-explode-fueled-feds-fiat-money-inflation/

The Coming Death of the Dollar


The Bernanke Asset Bubble began when the Federal Reserve cut interest rates to zero and started printing trillions of dollars to prop up the U.S. economy and prevent prices from falling (deflation).

"The fact that central banks are pursuing inflation [by printing money], and cannot achieve it, is a gauge of the persistence of the underlying deflation," Rickards says.

The Fed "believes that deflation can turn into inflation," Rickards explains in his book. But it's a delicate balance – and this is where the trouble can start: "Money printing in the cause of defeating deflation may result in a loss of confidence in the fiat currency system."

Once the confidence is lost, Rickards explains, "there is no way to reconstitute it; an entirely new system must rise in its place... Very likely, a new system will be needed, with a new foundation that can engender confidence."

What path will the demise of the dollar take?

Rickards says "the dollar's demise will take one of three paths"...

1.   World money
2.   A gold standard
3.   Social disorder

Let's look at each of these scenarios...

1. World money

A process of creating a "world money" is already underway...

The money is called SDRs – or "special drawing rights" – and it's created and administered by the IMF – the International Monetary Fund. Rickards explains how SDRs could take over, and that the dollar's weight in the SDR "will be reduced in favor of the Chinese yuan."

Rickards suggests that this switch towards SDRs might not be gradual. It could "play out in a matter of months, light-speed by the standards of the international monetary system" in the next crisis.

In his book, Rickards highlights the dangers of this scenario, where much of people's retirement savings could be wiped out.

2. A return to a gold standard

A return to a gold standard "could arise from extreme inflation, where gold is needed to restore confidence... or extreme deflation, where gold is revalued by governments to raise the general price level."

In either case, the price of gold would be much higher than it is today.

3. Social disorder

Reading this section of his book was fairly scary. Rickards says that "social disintegration is not predictable," but "the official response is."

In short, expect government oppression... As Rickards says, "order comes before liberty or justice."

In The Death of Money, Rickards paints a scary picture... I don't know if he will turn out to be right or wrong. But the book is seriously thought-provoking... To me, Rickards paints the clearest picture of what is possible, along with what to do about it.
 
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Reply #144 - Jul 3rd, 2014 at 8:49am
 
Pantheon wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 9:07pm:
This is why we right wing people want a small limited government, A small limited government would not be able to interfere on the behalf of the huge corporations or lobbying groups, yet being powerful enough to created and reinforced a environment competition was ripe and regulation that benefits the large powerful corporation (which is most) was cut, helping new businesses enter the market and put pressure on these corporation to behave.

We need to return to "classical capitalism" of the 1825-1900 where corporate profits and labor’s wages had risen together, something that has never happened in socialist, communist states.


There is no such thing, you are living in a deluded fantasy world.
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Reply #145 - Jul 3rd, 2014 at 8:57am
 
Pantheon wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 4:15pm:
The problem isn't Wealth Inequality but its Social Mobility.

Meaning?
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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is.  It wouldn't be there without the tax payer.  Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know....  (swaggy) *
 
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Reply #146 - Jul 3rd, 2014 at 9:16am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 6:54am:
wealth =  power  .

you cannot have an equal distribution of power. the world, society, the economy, human relationships, workplaces and families rely on the unequal distribution of power.

you can lead
you can follow
or you can get out of the way.

this looney tunes thread, suggesting that there should be equal distribution of wealth, based on no other premise than that it "seems" like a good idea, is total bunkum.

people can be ambitious and people can try to climb the ladder, people can get wealth and power because they have shown they have legitimate talents and people are willing to hand over some of their wealth/power to someone who is better able to use it.
this is totally a case of free will.
But to say the system is flawed because some people have more wealth or some people have more power is just bananas. the whole world relies on competition, always has and always will.
this socialist nirvana is soooooo naïve as an idea.

as we now move into an era where intelligence should produce economic success, we should see the more intelligent assume more and more wealth and more and more power.
How on earth can this be a bad thing.


aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 10:49am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 7:51am:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 6:54am:
wealth =  power  .

you cannot have an equal distribution of power. the world, society, the economy, human relationships, workplaces and families rely on the unequal distribution of power.

you can lead
you can follow
or you can get out of the way
.

this looney tunes thread, suggesting that there should be equal distribution of wealth, based on no other premise than that it "seems" like a good idea, is total bunkum.

people can be ambitious and people can try to climb the ladder, people can get wealth and power because they have shown they have legitimate talents and people are willing to hand over some of their wealth/power to someone who is better able to use it.
this is totally a case of free will
.
But to say the system is flawed because some people have more wealth or some people have more power is just bananas. the whole world relies on competition, always has and always will.
this socialist nirvana is soooooo naïve as an idea.

as we now move into an era where intelligence should produce economic success, we should see the more intelligent assume more and more wealth and more and more power.
How on earth can this be a bad thing.


because the stupid and the lazy will not automatically get any unwarranted benefit from the hard work, drive, intuition and risk taking of the intelligent hard workerrs.

That's how it can be a bad thing.
You know, if you are one of the stupid lazy people.



Each year we are treated to better computers, smarter phones, safer cars.
evolution , in its natural state, should be about the betterment of the human species.
So, its important that stupid lazy people not have an evolutionary advantage.
if they do, the system is unnatural and you cant fight mother nature



aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 11:06am:
ian wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 10:55am:
Winston Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 10:03pm:
ian wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 9:50pm:
Winston Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 4:34pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 2:12pm:
Thanks Winston,

You reminded me.

Aqua - Did you notice how Howard was very fit. His daily walk were exactly that is recommended by a doctor.
Abbott .......... well, Ironman triathlete competitor, cyclist, boxer.

Rudd ..............


That's so gay.

(Not that there's anything wrong with that of course.) Wink

Whats gay about being an athlete? Please elaborate winston.


Nothing, I was merely commenting on the latent homosexuality in Sprintycyclist's comments regarding the men he admires and why. Roll Eyes
I think he might have been making the point that athletic achievement sometimes goes hand in hand with personal achievement in general. Certainly being in top physical condition is a pre requisite to having a strong feeling of self worth and purpose in my opinion.


Latent homosexuality,  WTF.

fatties like Palmer obviously have poor self discipline.
no thanks.
I like leaders who have a little more mental toughness than that marshmallow


This is exactly what I mean, pure social Darwinist nonsense. Parrotting fallacious propaganda of a bygone era is all you are capable of. I gave you several opportunities to validate your views, to which you responded by doubling down on the spin. Don't worry, I know you've crossed that mental barrier of wanting to seem rational, to sullen trolling as a consolation prize for being exposed. Now that you are back in your box, I will leave you alone for a while. Until you begin delude yourself that there is some credibity to your delusions and come back out of the woodwork attempting to validate them.

Then I'll be back to make you look stupid again. Wink
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Reply #147 - Jul 3rd, 2014 at 9:21am
 
Winston Smith wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 9:16am:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 6:54am:
wealth =  power  .

you cannot have an equal distribution of power. the world, society, the economy, human relationships, workplaces and families rely on the unequal distribution of power.

you can lead
you can follow
or you can get out of the way.

this looney tunes thread, suggesting that there should be equal distribution of wealth, based on no other premise than that it "seems" like a good idea, is total bunkum.

people can be ambitious and people can try to climb the ladder, people can get wealth and power because they have shown they have legitimate talents and people are willing to hand over some of their wealth/power to someone who is better able to use it.
this is totally a case of free will.
But to say the system is flawed because some people have more wealth or some people have more power is just bananas. the whole world relies on competition, always has and always will.
this socialist nirvana is soooooo naïve as an idea.

as we now move into an era where intelligence should produce economic success, we should see the more intelligent assume more and more wealth and more and more power.
How on earth can this be a bad thing.


aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 10:49am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 7:51am:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 6:54am:
wealth =  power  .

you cannot have an equal distribution of power. the world, society, the economy, human relationships,

you can lead
you can follow
or you can get out of the way.

this looney tunes thread, suggesting that there should be equal distribution of wealth, based on no other premise than that it "seems" like a good idea, is total bunkum.

people can be ambitious and people can try to climb the ladder, people can get wealth and power because they have shown they have legitimate talents and people are willing to hand over some of their wealth/power to someone who is better able to use it.
this is totally a case of free will.
But to say the system is flawed because some people have more wealth or some people have more power is just bananas. the whole world relies on competition, always has and always will.
this socialist nirvana is soooooo naïve as an idea.

as we now move into an era where intelligence should produce economic success, we should see the more intelligent assume more and more wealth and more and more power.
How on earth can this be a bad thing.


because the stupid and the lazy will not automatically get any unwarranted benefit from the hard work, drive, intuition and risk taking of the intelligent hard workerrs.

That's how it can be a bad thing.
You know, if you are one of the stupid lazy people.



Each year we are treated to better computers, smarter phones, safer cars.
evolution , in its natural state, should be about the betterment of the human species.
So, its important that stupid lazy people not have an evolutionary advantage.
if they do, the system is unnatural and you cant fight mother nature



aquascoot wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 11:06am:
ian wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 10:55am:
Winston Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 10:03pm:
ian wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 9:50pm:
Winston Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 4:34pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 2:12pm:
Thanks Winston,

You reminded me.

Aqua - Did you notice how Howard was very fit. His daily walk were exactly that is recommended by a doctor.
Abbott .......... well, Ironman triathlete competitor, cyclist, boxer.

Rudd ..............


That's so gay.

(Not that there's anything wrong with that of course.) Wink

Whats gay about being an athlete? Please elaborate winston.


Nothing, I was merely commenting on the latent homosexuality in Sprintycyclist's comments regarding the men he admires and why. Roll Eyes
I think he might have been making the point that athletic achievement sometimes goes hand in hand with personal achievement in general. Certainly being in top physical condition is a pre requisite to having a strong feeling of self worth and purpose in my opinion.


Latent homosexuality,  WTF.

fatties like Palmer obviously have poor self discipline.
no thanks.
I like leaders who have a little more mental toughness than that marshmallow


This is exactly what I mean, pure social Darwinist nonsense. Parrotting fallacious propaganda of a bygone era is all you are capable of. I gave you several opportunities to validate your views, to which you responded by doubling down on the spin. Don't worry, I know you've crossed that mental barrier of wanting to seem rational, to sullen trolling as a consolation prize for being exposed. Now that you are back in your box, I will leave you alone for a while. Until you begin delude yourself that there is some credibity to your delusions and come back out of the woodwork in an attempt to validate them.

Then I'll be back to make you look stupid again. Wink


Are you seriously suggesting that my stuff is propaganda (its all made up, off the top of my head) and vikraryan's stuff is not just some socialist blog, copied and posted propaganda Wink
thoughts?
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Reply #148 - Jul 3rd, 2014 at 9:24am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 9:21am:
Are you seriously suggesting that my stuff is propaganda (its all made up, off the top of my head) and vikraryan's stuff is not just some socialist blog, copied and posted propaganda Wink
thoughts?


What does vikraryan have to do with our conversation?

You're just a fountain of fallacy, aren't you?
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Reply #149 - Jul 3rd, 2014 at 9:56am
 
Winston Smith wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 9:24am:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 9:21am:
Are you seriously suggesting that my stuff is propaganda (its all made up, off the top of my head) and vikraryan's stuff is not just some socialist blog, copied and posted propaganda Wink
thoughts?


What does vikraryan have to do with our conversation?

You're just a fountain of fallacy, aren't you?


Im not sure about inequality of wealth distribution, but im fairly sure about inequality of intelligence distribution
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