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Reply #30 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 11:20am

Sea ice extent—bah, what about volume.

Weather is very variable, a blip one year means nothing.

“Hide the decline” was not about hiding the decline in global temperatures but about some decrease in dendrochronology.

And, please this “CO2 is plant food” won’t wash:

1. As CO2 concentrations rise uptake of nitrogen slows meaning less protein is formed

2. As nights get warmer plants are less able to absorb CO2.

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Reply #31 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 11:30am

Lake Michigan was over 90% ice covered this winter – another record. And, according to Steven Goddard the US just endured the coldest winter in 102 years.

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Radical far left scientists have been manipulating global warming data. The Earth has been cooling since the 1930s. The Telegraph reported:

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When future generations try to understand how the world got carried away around the end of the 20th century by the panic over global warming, few things will amaze them more than the part played in stoking up the scare by the fiddling of official temperature data. There was already much evidence of this seven years ago, when I was writing my history of the scare, The Real Global Warming Disaster. But now another damning example has been uncovered by Steven Goddard’s US blog Real Science, showing how shamelessly manipulated has been one of the world’s most influential climate records, the graph of US surface temperature records published by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

Goddard shows how, in recent years, NOAA’s US Historical Climatology Network (USHCN) has been “adjusting” its record by replacing real temperatures with data “fabricated” by computer models. The effect of this has been to downgrade earlier temperatures and to exaggerate those from recent decades, to give the impression that the Earth has been warming up much more than is justified by the actual data. In several posts headed “Data tampering at USHCN/GISS”, Goddard compares the currently published temperature graphs with those based only on temperatures measured at the time. These show that the US has actually been cooling since the Thirties, the hottest decade on record; whereas the latest graph, nearly half of it based on “fabricated” data, shows it to have been warming at a rate equivalent to more than 3 degrees centigrade per century.

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Reply #32 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 12:17pm

vikaryan wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 11:30am:

Lake Michigan was over 90% ice covered this winter – another record. And, according to Steven Goddard the US just endured the coldest winter in 102 years.

Now this…

Radical far left scientists have been manipulating global warming data. The Earth has been cooling since the 1930s. The Telegraph reported:

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When future generations try to understand how the world got carried away around the end of the 20th century by the panic over global warming, few things will amaze them more than the part played in stoking up the scare by the fiddling of official temperature data. There was already much evidence of this seven years ago, when I was writing my history of the scare, The Real Global Warming Disaster. But now another damning example has been uncovered by Steven Goddard’s US blog Real Science, showing how shamelessly manipulated has been one of the world’s most influential climate records, the graph of US surface temperature records published by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

Goddard shows how, in recent years, NOAA’s US Historical Climatology Network (USHCN) has been “adjusting” its record by replacing real temperatures with data “fabricated” by computer models. The effect of this has been to downgrade earlier temperatures and to exaggerate those from recent decades, to give the impression that the Earth has been warming up much more than is justified by the actual data. In several posts headed “Data tampering at USHCN/GISS”, Goddard compares the currently published temperature graphs with those based only on temperatures measured at the time. These show that the US has actually been cooling since the Thirties, the hottest decade on record; whereas the latest graph, nearly half of it based on “fabricated” data, shows it to have been warming at a rate equivalent to more than 3 degrees centigrade per century.

Ugh. The world has not been cooling since the 1930s.

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Goddard made two major errors in his analysis, which produced results showing a large bias due to infilling that doesn't really exist. First, he is simply averaging absolute temperatures rather than using anomalies. Absolute temperatures work fine if and only if the composition of the station network remains unchanged over time. If the composition does change, you will often find that stations dropping out will result in climatological biases in the network due to differences in elevation and average temperatures that don’t necessarily reflect any real information on month-to-month or year-to-year variability.

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His second error is to not use any form of spatial weighting (e.g. gridding) when combining station records. While the USHCN network is fairly well distributed across the U.S., its not perfectly so, and some areas of the country have considerably more stations than others. Not gridding also can exacerbate the effect of station drop-out when the stations that drop out are not randomly distributed.

Another fact to note that the US is in fact, not the world. It is quite possible to have part of the world cool while still having more heat energy building up in the system overall.

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Reply #33 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 12:31pm

The idiot denialists ignore or deny that melting of Arctic ice weakens the jetstream, allowing lobes of frigid Arctic air to escape south until blocked by a big stable system. The air brings with it blizzards, snow and very low temperatures. Thus the very cold conditions and freezing of the lake are an illustration of AGW affecting the world not a refutation of AGW!

Don’t take my word—look at the US weathermaps during these blizzards. They affect the UK too.

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Reply #34 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 1:27pm

TIME Magazine recently denounced skeptics in an article entitled, “Polar Vortex: Climate Change Could Be the Cause of Record Cold Weather.” Bryan Walsh wrote,

“But not only does the cold spell not disprove climate change, it may well be that global warming could be making the occasional bout of extreme cold weather in the U.S. even more likely. Right now much of the U.S. is in the grip of a polar vortex, which is pretty much what it sounds like: a whirlwind of extremely cold, extremely dense air that forms near the poles.”

That would be, perhaps, an understandable explanation if TIME Magazine and other assorted leftist, agenda-driven journals had not already made claims to the contrary. In 1974, TIME Magazine, the same magazine that blamed the cold on global warming, blamed the cold on “global cooling.” In a June 24th, 1974, article entitled, “Another Ice Age?” the magazine claimed,

“Scientists have found other indications of global cooling. For one thing there has been a noticeable expansion of the great belt of dry, high-altitude polar winds —the so-called circumpolar vortex—that sweep from west to east around the top and bottom of the world.”

It’s not just TIME that cherry-picks their explanations for the cold streak; with the emergences of “green” technologies and the billions of dollars being made in the field of advancing environmentally-friendly products and services, it is undeniable that there remains a strong motive for many to ensure that “global warming” or “climate change” not only exists, but that it is a man-made problem.

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vikaryan Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 453 Gender:	Re: Global Warming is a HOAX! Reply #35 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 1:31pm Remember when winter concluded a couple months ago in America that it was recorded as the fourth coldest ever? I do.
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vikaryan Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 453 Gender:	Re: Global Warming is a HOAX! Reply #36 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 1:37pm Remember the ship that was full of scientists who traveled to Antarctica to prove that the ice shelf there is disappearing only to get stuck in the ice that was supposedly gone? I do.
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Kytro Gold Member Offline Blasphemy: a victimless crime Posts: 3409 Adelaide Gender:	Re: Global Warming is a HOAX! Reply #37 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 1:47pm vikaryan wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 1:37pm: Remember the ship that was full of scientists who traveled to Antarctica to prove that the ice shelf there is disappearing only to get stuck in the ice that was supposedly gone? I do. This never happened.
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Reply #38 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 1:52pm

austranger wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:07am:

vikaryan wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:56am:

Arctic Ice Sheet Grows By 920,000 Square Miles In A Year!

PJ Media, September 9, 2013

Well, it seems global warming skeptics have won another battle in the climate wars. The Arctic ice cap grew by 920,000 square miles since last year. That’s a 60% increase in just one year. So, with this development, can we say that Earth is undergoing a period of global cooling? It’s ironic. Global cooling is exactly what scientists said about the earth’s temperature in the 1970s. The hypothesis was basis of the 1975 Newsweek article called “The Cooling World,” where it was suggested that we stock up of food stuffs for the pending shortages worldwide. It never happened.

Additionally, on the wild weather front, we’ve had the quietest tornado season in sixty years. Should we be surprised? No. Global temperatures have stagnated for the past sixteen years according to the UK Meteorological Office. Yet, let’s look at the growth in the Arctic ice cap.

See what I meant?
Quoting wild swings in weather as "proof" of no climate change, when in fact they are clear proof of climate change. Sad really.

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You mean almost as sad as the constant cries from the so called true believers eh... so much so they changed global warming to climate change so they could blame any weather event on AGW. Cheesy

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Reply #39 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 1:53pm

Kytro wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 1:47pm:

vikaryan wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

Remember the ship that was full of scientists who traveled to Antarctica to prove that the ice shelf there is disappearing only to get stuck in the ice that was supposedly gone? I do.

This never happened.

Yes it did actually and played out on the TV news for weeks... Cheesy

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TAXPAYERS will foot a $400,000 bill for the rescue of a group of climate scientists, tourists and journalists from a stranded Russian research vessel – an operation that has blown the contingency budget of Australia’s Antarctic program and disrupted its scientific work.

http://joannenova.com.au/2014/01/australian-taxpayers-will-pay-400000-cost-for-c...

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Global Warming is a HOAX! Reply #40 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 2:00pm Quote: Third icebreaker abandons rescue of climate scientists boat in Antarctica, media fog, obscure, don’t say “climate” http://joannenova.com.au/2013/12/antarctic-ice-swallows-boat-media-spin/
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Reply #41 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 2:05pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 1:53pm:

Kytro wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 1:47pm:

vikaryan wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

Remember the ship that was full of scientists who traveled to Antarctica to prove that the ice shelf there is disappearing only to get stuck in the ice that was supposedly gone? I do.

This never happened.

Yes it did actually and played out on the TV news for weeks... Cheesy

I mean they never got caught in ice that wasn't supposed to be there.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Global Warming is a HOAX! Reply #42 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 2:10pm Right... Antarctica... ice.... cold.... hmmmm. The irony is they got stuck in ice... when they were warmist alarmist true believers... gotta laugh
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Kytro Gold Member Offline Blasphemy: a victimless crime Posts: 3409 Adelaide Gender:	Re: Global Warming is a HOAX! Reply #43 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 2:59pm Grendel wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 2:10pm: Right... Antarctica... ice.... cold.... hmmmm. The irony is they got stuck in ice... when they were warmist alarmist true believers... gotta laugh It's amusing enough, yes. Just don't use it as evidence of anything.
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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Global Warming is a HOAX! Reply #44 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 3:01pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:41am: Are you trolling or 12? She's a troll, but I doubt she is much older than twelve either.
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