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Reply #15 - Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:03am
 
Yup, resentful and I just wonder why?
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Reply #16 - Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:14am
 
Tony wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:03am:
Yup, resentful and I just wonder why?


Resentful because I have a good sense of whats fair and the pensioners dont Wink.

Do you think the pensioners are hard done by and the working poor and young students facing massive HECS are on easy street.

I would like to see pensions cut and more money go to the younger ones.

yes, I am resentful that the selfish are pandered to by successive governments, and only because they are  a massive self interested voting block.

Hope that explains why for you.
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Reply #17 - Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:22am
 
I think NewStart should be increased, not reduced. You are aware that by denying NewStart for 6 months the lot of the working poor just got harder? Who just increased HECS?

If you need to resent someone why not resent those very few on $250K a year who will continue to get huge tax deductions by rorting superannuation (salary sacrificing just to pay less tax?) These tax deductions will soon exceed the amount paid out in pensions! Resent those.

Resent the pensioners who so arranged their affairs that they retired with $1.25m in assets and can claim the full or part pension. And probably have other undeclared assets.

This govt is ruling for the 1% and you should resent that if you have to resent anything! It is no longer the Liberal party but a Neoconservative party. Look to the US to see what that leads to—a $17Trn debt they can’t pay.
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Reply #18 - Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:45am
 
Trouble with all those figures is they do not give a starting age....... sorry - it gives one example of start at age 35.  so that's 30 + years of inflation etc.. not much in the kitty there to invest and live on the interest IF you ever get to retirement age.

You telling me that Joe Bloggs, 64, will magically get all this money added in?

Besides - those figures are pie-in-the-sky since the market goes up and down on investments and inflation takes care of the rest... all these 'retirement age' figures will do is supplement a government pension by the time Jo Bloggs, 20 gets there.
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Reply #19 - Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:53am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:14am:
Tony wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:03am:
Yup, resentful and I just wonder why?


Resentful because I have a good sense of whats fair and the pensioners dont Wink.

Do you think the pensioners are hard done by and the working poor and young students facing massive HECS are on easy street.

I would like to see pensions cut and more money go to the younger ones.

yes, I am resentful that the selfish are pandered to by successive governments, and only because they are  a massive self interested voting block.

Hope that explains why for you.
Sheesh


What does the plight of the working poor and the students with HECS set for a better life than we ever had, have to do with the plight of pensioners?

You can't simply make some arbitrary line there and say one group are better off etc.

How about we juggle it around -

a) Do you think the pensioners working poor are hard done by and the working poor pensioners and young students facing massive HECS are on easy street.

b)  Do you think the pensioners young students facing massive HECS are hard done by and the working poor and young students facing massive HECS pensioners are on easy street.

WTF is wrong with you?  Most of those pensioners have worked damned hard to have very little by today's standards....  I, for one, sacrificed my own home (something I never had outside of that) to guarantee my children's future, and manfully worked 18 hours a day so every idiotic idea of 'government' and 'management' could ruin it all.

I EARNED my pension ten times over - when you can say the same - provide details, or are you just another Joe Hockey with the priv school and sweet ride fully fed education, and somehow that means you 'worked' harder and smarter?

Or are you just another rip-off merchant like Joe and Co who think they are better and more suited to run the show as some sort of right?
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Reply #20 - Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:58am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:01am:
Tony wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 9:42am:
The pension is not very generous at all.

You are arguing for NewStart to be increased? I think so too!

Re housing—look to govt policies like negative gearing and capital gains concessions and the FHOG. Pensioners had nothing to do with any of it.

Very confused mind there, full of resentment for some reason.



I  resent the resentful and the ungrateful on behalf of those who have to lift these leaners .
The pensioner is a very loud creature. this is because it is spoilt. the down trodden working poor have no voice because  they don't have the energy to protest after their long days of toil. Wink


And what were these pensioners in their past but those self-same working poor, building the society that paid for your education and comfortable life now, paying far higher taxes and interest rates on the promise that it was to grow the economy so that their pension years would be liveable.
Don't you expect to get what you paid for?
Why is it selfish for them to expect the same?
Your whinges would appear to be the selfish ones,  simply put as...ME  ME  ME  ME  ME !   Roll Eyes
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Reply #21 - Jun 23rd, 2014 at 11:19am
 
As I thought, don't criticise the pensioners or point out their self interest.
They are on the government gravy train and very resentful of my justified resentment of their selfishness.
Of all the homeless in Australia, maybe 50,000 , how many are old aged pensioners.
Maybe 0
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Reply #22 - Jun 23rd, 2014 at 11:32am
 
We can fund modest 0.25% annual increases to compulsory superannuation quite easily by abolishing bracket creep on income tax and instead index the income tax scales to inflation. Each year, bracket creep increases the overall tax on the incomes of Australians on average incomes by more than 0.25% each year.

Example: Pay is $60,000.
Tax on $60,000 = $11,047 (18.41%)
3% increase = $61,800.
Tax on $61,800 =$11,632 (18.82%)
Difference = 0.41%

If the tax scales were indexed, the proportion of tax after an annual pay rise would be much the same. The difference could be used to fund an increase to compulsory superannuation without cutting take-home pay or increasing the cost to businesses.
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Reply #23 - Jun 23rd, 2014 at 12:57pm
 
Tony wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:22am:
This govt is ruling for the 1%


If this was indeed anywhere close to reality HTF does the Govt get elected?  Roll Eyes

The mob rules.

The mob lives out of the public trough and the public trough is majority funded by your 1%

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Reply #24 - Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:27pm
 
Swagman wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 12:57pm:
Tony wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:22am:
This govt is ruling for the 1%


If this was indeed anywhere close to reality HTF does the Govt get elected?  Roll Eyes




They get a LOT of help from that other neocon—Rupert Murdoch!
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Reply #25 - Jun 23rd, 2014 at 11:57pm
 
Notice what aquascoot has been doing in this thread. Trying to play off one group against another, when they are both in the same boat. Sad thing is, I don't even think he's a shill. What are we going to do with all these evil people when the day comes? Undecided
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Reply #26 - Jun 24th, 2014 at 12:01am
 
Quickly dropped the crap about the pie not growing.

Says pensioners have it better than NewStart: true, so let us increase NewStart!

University changes—means rich kids not smart kids go to uni. That is gonna work out well down the track, NOT!
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Reply #27 - Jun 24th, 2014 at 6:57am
 
Winston Smith wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 11:57pm:
Notice what aquascoot has been doing in this thread. Trying to play off one group against another, when they are both in the same boat. Sad thing is, I don't even think he's a shill. What are we going to do with all these evil people when the day comes? Undecided



Not evil at all.
It is my legitimate opinion that the pensioners in society are pretty well looked after and that a lot of other groups

the young mentally ill
the young , at home, unemployed
the working poor who become ill
newly divorced dads from the working poor
the small farmer

In my opinion, these groups don't have much of a unified voice and if their is only so much cash to "splash' around (and this is the case), then splash a bit extra on these groups and not on the pensioners.

thoughts Wink
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Reply #28 - Jun 24th, 2014 at 8:43am
 
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Unexpected pay rise coming your way

     June 22, 2014
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Millions of Australians are set to get a hidden pay rise on July 1 via their superannuation.      Smiley    

WOULDN’T it be great to land a pay rise without even asking for one? You are about to next week.

Millions of Australians are set to get a hidden pay rise from next week, when their compulsory superannuation payments are fattened from July 1, putting more money into their retirement purse.      Smiley

The rise to the superannuation guarantee (SG) will result in employees getting an additional 0.25 per cent superannuation — climbing to 9.5 per cent — dropped into their super kitty.

That’s an extra $10,713 for a 35 year old salary earner on $80,000 a year, and almost $19,000 if they are on $150,000. See below for more pay rise scenarios.

But while it is your money, the catch is that you cannot access it until retirement, and for workers on a package, the amount will come out of their take-home pay.

For most Australians the SG increase will not affect their take-home pay, but the Australian Institute of Superannuation Trustees’ chief executive, Tom Garcia, says the way workers will receive it will vary among employers.

“It depends on how your employment situation is set up. It will be a mix — for some it will come out of your take-home pay if you’re paid a package,’’ he says.

“If you are entitled to a wage increase then part of it can end up being this increase in the super guarantee.”

Garcia urges Australians to either check with their super fund to see if they are getting the increase or to find out how the 9.5 per cent calculation is going to be made.      Wink    

He also says it pays to check annual super statements to make sure the correct super payments have been paid.

Australians are also being urged to take note of the super contribution caps so they don’t get pinged for making payments that exceed the cap.

The concessional super caps are scheduled to rise on July 1 from $25,000 to $30,000 for Australians aged below 49 on June 30, 2014.

For those aged 49 years or over as of June 30 this year the concessional contributions cap is $35,000 — up from $30,000.

The non-concessional contributions cap will increase from $150,000 to $180,000.

Shadforth Financial Group head of advice John Barton says people should closely examine how much extra is contributed to ensure they don’t get slugged with penalties.

“You need to make sure don’t go over the cap and end up paying excess tax,’’ he says.

“One good thing the government has proposed is to make the penalties less onerous for people who go over the cap. Previously it was far too onerous.

“You should do your own personal planning on how close you want to go to the cap.”

Below, we took the average super balance for a 35 year old — $45,000 — and did some sums on the amount extra they can expect to end up with due to the increase from 9.25 to 9.5 per cent on retiring. It calculated in average fees, charges and assumes a retirement age of 70, and a balanced investment option.

For example someone on $60,000 will benefit with an extra $8,036 when they retire.

Salary

$60,000

9.25 per: $422,489

9.5 per cent: $430,525

Difference to your hip pocket: $8,036

$80,000

9.25 per: $521,593

9.5 per cent: $532,306

Difference to your hip pocket: $10,713


$100,000

9.25 per: $615,013

9.5 per cent: $628,206

Difference: to your hip pocket: $13,193

$150,000

9.25 per: $826,860

9.5 per cent: $845,702

Difference to your hip pocket: $18,842


The REAL difference is actually $400 per year or $7.69 per week!

You can forget all the rest, as it is the usual PR rubbish on what they think may happen, perhaps based on past history and given the once in history Global factors now in play, you can safely forget past history!

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Reply #29 - Jun 24th, 2014 at 9:16am
 
perceptions_now wrote on Jun 24th, 2014 at 8:43am:
You can forget all the rest, as it is the usual PR rubbish on what they think may happen, perhaps based on past history and given the once in history Global factors now in play, you can safely forget past history!


Correct....but don't forget the demographic factors as well.

The levels of 'social security' now enjoyed are unsustainable without significant productivity improvements.  Get used to it Crook.

Smokin Joey's budget is chicken feed compared to potential future budgets should you 'ochlocrats' get your way again.

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