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Reply #30 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 1:17pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 1:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 10:55am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 18^th, 2014 at 7:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18^th, 2014 at 7:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 12:21pm:

Rape, intimidation, bastardisation ...

Just another Wednesday night in the ADF.

No surprises.

And how excactly would you know, since you never actually served a single minute in your life.

Or are you just flinging your own faeces like the rest of the chimps here?

Just remember all those little scumbags were all Auustralian civilians regiularly raping 1 in 6 Australian women, something you civvies should be very proud of, wouldn't you say?

The ADF chaps are regularly raping 1 in 2 men.

Nothing to be proud of there, old boy.

You seems to demand a high level of factual evidence from others and base entire semantic arguments to prove some cretinous point of view; but you are pretty free and easy with the truth here.

I won't be holding my breath for a lying little turd like yourself to 'man up' with some evidence ya loser. Grin

Perhaps I've made a mistake. Sorry.

Maybe what I should have said was "the ADF chaps are regularly raping 1 in 2 men, and the occasional woman".

Apology accepted?

So the semantic dkhead is going full retard striaght up, good one chimp.

Also reffering to someone as a lying little turd isn't an apology, ya loser Grin

That steam coming out of your ears is clouding your vision, old boy.

There is a question mark at the end of 'Apology accepted', and I clearly said 'Sorry' in the first line of my post.

So, apology accepted? I did set the record straight, after all: "the ADF chaps are regularly raping 1 in 2 men, and the occasional woman".

All good, hey?

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Re: Interesting, no comment on the ongoing ADF abuse
Reply #31 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 1:19pm

Rhet-Oracle wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 1:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 10:55am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 18^th, 2014 at 7:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18^th, 2014 at 7:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 12:21pm:

Rape, intimidation, bastardisation ...

Just another Wednesday night in the ADF.

No surprises.

And how excactly would you know, since you never actually served a single minute in your life.

Or are you just flinging your own faeces like the rest of the chimps here?

Just remember all those little scumbags were all Auustralian civilians regiularly raping 1 in 6 Australian women, something you civvies should be very proud of, wouldn't you say?

The ADF chaps are regularly raping 1 in 2 men.

Nothing to be proud of there, old boy.

You seems to demand a high level of factual evidence from others and base entire semantic arguments to prove some cretinous point of view; but you are pretty free and easy with the truth here.

I won't be holding my breath for a lying little turd like yourself to 'man up' with some evidence ya loser. Grin

Perhaps I've made a mistake. Sorry.

Maybe what I should have said was "the ADF chaps are regularly raping 1 in 2 men, and the occasional woman".

Apology accepted?

In which case you would be misinformed, or delusional.

More than just the "occasional woman" you think?

Hmmm, you could be right.

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Reply #32 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 1:48pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 18^th, 2014 at 7:05pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jun 18^th, 2014 at 10:37am:

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What is more than acceptable in civvie street, will never be accepted by the mainstream ADF.

The evidence appears to suggest the reverse. Violent, aggressive, rapists seem to have found a ready home in the defence forces.

So you don't want to discuss anything, you just want to throw sh1t?

Simply because you don't like the statement does not mean the statement is not valid or part of "the discussion". If sh!t sticks, you have a problem. The outcome from the various inquiries is starting to come home to roost. You can't ignore those outcomes.

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Those lttle scumbags come from you wonderful civilians, and if you didn't bother reading my story, it, in a nutshell, does not paint s pretty picture of Australian civilians. You lot are some nasty little rapists and general filth, so I wouldn't throw too much sh1t if I were you.

Those scumbags were entrusted with the youths they were supposedly training to be defenders of the nation. They were representatives of the ADF. Their superiors either did nothing or actively conspired to cover up this criminal behaviour or at absolute worse were active participants. Now that the wider society is aware of this criminal behaviour it is demanding that something be done about it. Obviously, wider society does not tolerate such behaviour. Why did the ADF? Obviously it has lost sight of its responsibility to not only it's own personnel but wider society. Grin

So no investigation into civilian males that love to rape 1 in 6 Australian women, so yuou can continue your delusions of moral superiority. Thae fact is the you civvies are much much worse than any ADF now or in the past.

Sadly the ADF still has to recruit from the filth that is the Australian civilian male.

Something to be very pound of hey HB, read the article before you post anymore horsesh1t and discuss what I have posted instead of just ignoring the evidence to suit your own ignorant bias.

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/news/national/australias-sexual-assault-sha...

As has been shown, your article isn't very accurate but hey, what else could we expect from a Far North Queensland rag?

Even if your claim was true, it ignores the fact that the wider community has declared rape and intimidation and abuse taboo. So therefore the ADF has to conform to those societal expectations. It is not, as you yourself separate from or apart from, the wider society from which it draws it's personnel. Therefore, I am unsure why you're attempting to excuse the behavior of these rapists and abusers! Grin

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Reply #33 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 4:50pm

|dev|null wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 1:48pm:

As has been shown, your article isn't very accurate but hey, what else could we expect from a Far North Queensland rag?

Even if your claim was true, it ignores the fact that the wider community has declared rape and intimidation and abuse taboo. So therefore the ADF has to conform to those societal expectations. It is not, as you yourself separate from or apart from, the wider society from which it draws it's personnel. Therefore, I am unsure why you're attempting to excuse the behavior of these rapists and abusers! Grin

You have shown no such thing and any attempt to prove otherwise has been with outdated data and is no longer relevant, so try again. The article stands until proven to be a lie, surely someone would have proven it tobe untrue by now and 10+ year old data isn't proof of current ascertions.

Can you show me where the ADF has officially not conformed to the requiments of societal norms; where it lays out that these abhorent acts are not "taboo". The ADF id very good a witting out every singleaspect about what is acceptable and what isn't, so it shouldn't be too difficult to prove that they condone such behaviour if not encourage it.

The ADF like the society it defends has personnel that do not comply with requiments but that is not an indication of any official sanctioning of that behaviour, but you will not mind providing the evidence that you are making your accusations from will you?

Don't defend you fellow scumbag rapists while throwing sh1t at others it is very unbecoming and foolish

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Reply #34 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 4:57pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 1:17pm:

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That steam coming out of your ears is clouding your vision, old boy.

There is a question mark at the end of 'Apology accepted', and I clearly said 'Sorry' in the first line of my post.

So, apology accepted? I did set the record straight, after all: "the ADF chaps are regularly raping 1 in 2 men, and the occasional woman".

All good, hey?

It seems you are either wrong again, highly likely or you are functionally retarded, either way it is difficult to remain angry at a sh1t throwing chimp.

So all good

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Reply #35 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 5:14pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 4:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 1:17pm:

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That steam coming out of your ears is clouding your vision, old boy.

There is a question mark at the end of 'Apology accepted', and I clearly said 'Sorry' in the first line of my post.

So, apology accepted? I did set the record straight, after all: "the ADF chaps are regularly raping 1 in 2 men, and the occasional woman".

All good, hey?

It seems you are either wrong again, highly likely or you are functionally retarded, either way it is difficult to remain angry at a sh1t throwing chimp.

So all good

Yes, it has been brought to my attention that it may actually be more than just the occasional woman being raped.

Sorry, once again.

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Reply #36 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 5:16pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 4:50pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 1:48pm:

As has been shown, your article isn't very accurate but hey, what else could we expect from a Far North Queensland rag?

Even if your claim was true, it ignores the fact that the wider community has declared rape and intimidation and abuse taboo. So therefore the ADF has to conform to those societal expectations. It is not, as you yourself separate from or apart from, the wider society from which it draws it's personnel. Therefore, I am unsure why you're attempting to excuse the behavior of these rapists and abusers! Grin

You have shown no such thing and any attempt to prove otherwise has been with outdated data and is no longer relevant, so try again. The article stands until proven to be a lie, surely someone would have proven it tobe untrue by now and 10+ year old data isn't proof of current ascertions.

Can you show me where the ADF has officially not conformed to the requiments of societal norms; where it lays out that these abhorent acts are not "taboo". The ADF id very good a witting out every singleaspect about what is acceptable and what isn't, so it shouldn't be too difficult to prove that they condone such behaviour if not encourage it.

The ADF like the society it defends has personnel that do not comply with requiments but that is not an indication of any official sanctioning of that behaviour, but you will not mind providing the evidence that you are making your accusations from will you?

Don't defend you fellow scumbag rapists while throwing sh1t at others it is very unbecoming and foolish

The proof is in the Inquiries. The ADF treated the victims as if they were the criminals. It hounded them out of it's ranks because they were whistle-blowers. It protected and/or failed to prosecute the perpetrators many of whom still serve as high ranking officers. Those are the facts.

Society has clearly stated by setting up these inquiries that such behaviour is unacceptable but it seems to be still going on in places like ADFA. The ADF has sat on it's hands for over 20 years when many complaints there first came to light and failed to prosecute the perpetrators and in many cases supported and rewarded them by creating a culture of abuse and intimidation against the victims.

Until you address that and stop being an apologist for this appallingly bad behaviour you will be part of the problem rather than being a part of the solution.

Such behaviour is unacceptable in the wider community and is prosecuted. Time the ADF conformed to that viewpoint and started to prosecute the perpetrators in it's ranks. (Primarily but not exclusively) men who believe that women are their playthings and to be used for their pleasure.

Are you one of those old fashioned misogynists who believe that women shouldn't be in the defence forces?

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Reply #37 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 5:17pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 5:14pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 4:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 1:17pm:

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That steam coming out of your ears is clouding your vision, old boy.

There is a question mark at the end of 'Apology accepted', and I clearly said 'Sorry' in the first line of my post.

So, apology accepted? I did set the record straight, after all: "the ADF chaps are regularly raping 1 in 2 men, and the occasional woman".

All good, hey?

It seems you are either wrong again, highly likely or you are functionally retarded, either way it is difficult to remain angry at a sh1t throwing chimp.

So all good

Yes, it has been brought to my attention that it may actually be more than just the occasional woman being raped.

Sorry, once again.

Thanks for the info chimp now back to your feacal fixation, try to not eat too much of it, don't want to spoil your dinner. Grin

No need to keep apologising to me, I have low expectations of you, so what ever you do or say is already forgiven.

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Reply #38 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 5:23pm

|dev|null wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 5:16pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 4:50pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 1:48pm:

As has been shown, your article isn't very accurate but hey, what else could we expect from a Far North Queensland rag?

Even if your claim was true, it ignores the fact that the wider community has declared rape and intimidation and abuse taboo. So therefore the ADF has to conform to those societal expectations. It is not, as you yourself separate from or apart from, the wider society from which it draws it's personnel. Therefore, I am unsure why you're attempting to excuse the behavior of these rapists and abusers! Grin

You have shown no such thing and any attempt to prove otherwise has been with outdated data and is no longer relevant, so try again. The article stands until proven to be a lie, surely someone would have proven it tobe untrue by now and 10+ year old data isn't proof of current ascertions.

Can you show me where the ADF has officially not conformed to the requiments of societal norms; where it lays out that these abhorent acts are not "taboo". The ADF id very good a witting out every singleaspect about what is acceptable and what isn't, so it shouldn't be too difficult to prove that they condone such behaviour if not encourage it.

The ADF like the society it defends has personnel that do not comply with requiments but that is not an indication of any official sanctioning of that behaviour, but you will not mind providing the evidence that you are making your accusations from will you?

Don't defend you fellow scumbag rapists while throwing sh1t at others it is very unbecoming and foolish

The proof is in the Inquiries. The ADF treated the victims as if they were the criminals. It hounded them out of it's ranks because they were whistle-blowers. It protected and/or failed to prosecute the perpetrators many of whom still serve as high ranking officers. Those are the facts.

Society has clearly stated by setting up these inquiries that such behaviour is unacceptable but it seems to be still going on in places like ADFA. The ADF has sat on it's hands for over 20 years when many complaints there first came to light and failed to prosecute the perpetrators and in many cases supported and rewarded them by creating a culture of abuse and intimidation against the victims.

Until you address that and stop being an apologist for this appallingly bad behaviour you will be part of the problem rather than being a part of the solution.

Such behaviour is unacceptable in the wider community and is prosecuted. Time the ADF conformed to that viewpoint and started to prosecute the perpetrators in it's ranks. (Primarily but not exclusively) men who believe that women are their playthings and to be used for their pleasure.

Are you one of those old fashioned misogynists who believe that women shouldn't be in the defence forces?

Some individuals is not the ADF genius, keep trying. Grin

Maybe you and the chimp might want to join together for half a brain to power your stupid argument.

Show me where the ADF, not just some individuals, but the ADF itself sanction this behaviour, if you can't then I suggest you try a less stupid approach.

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Reply #39 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 5:26pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 4:50pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 1:48pm:

As has been shown, your article isn't very accurate but hey, what else could we expect from a Far North Queensland rag?

Even if your claim was true, it ignores the fact that the wider community has declared rape and intimidation and abuse taboo. So therefore the ADF has to conform to those societal expectations. It is not, as you yourself separate from or apart from, the wider society from which it draws it's personnel. Therefore, I am unsure why you're attempting to excuse the behavior of these rapists and abusers! Grin

You have shown no such thing and any attempt to prove otherwise has been with outdated data and is no longer relevant, so try again. The article stands until proven to be a lie, surely someone would have proven it tobe untrue by now and 10+ year old data isn't proof of current ascertions.Can you show me where the ADF has officially not conformed to the requiments of societal norms; where it lays out that these abhorent acts are not "taboo". The ADF id very good a witting out every singleaspect about what is acceptable and what isn't, so it shouldn't be too difficult to prove that they condone such behaviour if not encourage it.

The ADF like the society it defends has personnel that do not comply with requiments but that is not an indication of any official sanctioning of that behaviour, but you will not mind providing the evidence that you are making your accusations from will you?

Don't defend you fellow scumbag rapists while throwing sh1t at others it is very unbecoming and foolish

far cough mate. If the rate of rape had skyrocketed from 1 in 250 to 1 in 6 over the last 10 years, don't you think someone might have noticed?

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Reply #40 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 5:43pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 5:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 5:14pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 4:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 1:17pm:

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That steam coming out of your ears is clouding your vision, old boy.

There is a question mark at the end of 'Apology accepted', and I clearly said 'Sorry' in the first line of my post.

So, apology accepted? I did set the record straight, after all: "the ADF chaps are regularly raping 1 in 2 men, and the occasional woman".

All good, hey?

It seems you are either wrong again, highly likely or you are functionally retarded, either way it is difficult to remain angry at a sh1t throwing chimp.

So all good

Yes, it has been brought to my attention that it may actually be more than just the occasional woman being raped.

Sorry, once again.

Thanks for the info.

No probs.

Disturbing stats, aren't they?

Not surprising but still disturbing.

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Reply #41 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 7:37pm

War is a man's game!

I don't care how you want to dress it up with badges of rank or levels of seniority. It's dog eat dog and the better dog wins. The winner survives.

War schools operate outside ordinary society rules. They train killers, after all.

The myth of the Amazon has no place in modern warfare. Since time immemorial they, females, combatant or not, have been considered booty by some of the victors. The front-line female troops now promoted by the equal opportunity brigade are at a distinct disadvantage in certain conflict arenas. Equal opportunity ends in the trenches.

It is, undoubtedly, a criminal shame that such abuse has occurred - and is probably still occurring.

However, you are training with prospective armed, trained killers.

Are those career choice and conditions not one of the options outlined in the brochures?

Shame about the systemic rape and bastardisation culture within the killing school, but hey ........

It'll be tough on the outside, you better bet.

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Reply #42 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 8:08pm

ADFA is not a "killing school", Lionel. It is an academy which (in theory) provides a civilian university degree education and creates Officers and Gentlemen/Women (by Act of Parliament) from those who enter it's hallowed gates.

The ADF does not and never has operated any "killing schools" for its ordinary servicemen/women or officers.

Women are generally just as capable, if not more so, than men to be efficient soldiers capable of close-quarters combat. Afterall, isn't it generally held that "the female is the deadlier of the species"?

History is littered with examples of ruthless women who have fought against men in wars and often won. In Vietnam, the NLF (commonly and mistakenly referred to as the "Viet Cong") recruited and utilised women in their ranks to fight against Australian and Allied forces and were considered very effective. In Iraq and Afghanistan, Australian and Allied forces have had women fighting and they have proved as effective as men in those roles where they have been allowed to fulfil. The Age of sexism is over and should be buried, Lionel and I'm disappointed to see you resorting to such beliefs. Roll Eyes

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Reply #43 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 8:25pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 5:23pm:

Some individuals is not the ADF genius, keep trying. Grin

Well, generally I agree with you. The recent address by Lt. General Morrison to the UN Conference on Rape in War and the infamous YouTube address by Lt. Gen. David Morrison on "Unacceptable Behavior" shows that the attitude of the commanders has at least publicly changed. However, there is the problem of the organisation itself which seems to be rather lagging behind in it's disciplining of the perpetrators. General David Hurley's performance on the recent 4 Corners programme IMHO left something to be desired.

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Show me where the ADF, not just some individuals, but the ADF itself sanction this behaviour, if you can't then I suggest you try a less stupid approach.

Perhaps you'd care to show us the ADF's sanctions against the individuals who have committed these abuses and rapes? They appear to be somewhat absent from my radar.

The ADF is changing, as an organisation. It's attitude is undergoing a transformation. Unfortunately it would appear the attitudes of many in the ADF appear to be somewhat lagging behind the institutional change which is occurring. Either they will shape up or they will ship out, however the commitment to the change will only be perceivable by how fast the institutional response is and what it is to the allegations as they are revealed by these inquiries which are presently ongoing.

As the recent revelations about HMS Leeuwin have revealed, there has been a long ongoing rot in the ranks. Hopefully cleaning it out won't be as difficult as cleaning the Augean stables.

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Reply #44 - Jun 20^th, 2014 at 10:07am

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 4:50pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 1:48pm:

As has been shown, your article isn't very accurate but hey, what else could we expect from a Far North Queensland rag?

Even if your claim was true, it ignores the fact that the wider community has declared rape and intimidation and abuse taboo. So therefore the ADF has to conform to those societal expectations. It is not, as you yourself separate from or apart from, the wider society from which it draws it's personnel. Therefore, I am unsure why you're attempting to excuse the behavior of these rapists and abusers! Grin

You have shown no such thing and any attempt to prove otherwise has been with outdated data and is no longer relevant, so try again.

So you believe that the incidence of rape in Australia has jumped sixfold recently? Really?

Or do you believe that the wider Australian society condones rapes and sexual assaults and so therefore ADF personnel are excused their raping and assaulting of their fellow personnel?

I am somewhat confused by your lack of clarity! I suspect you are merely trolling for it's own sake! Grin

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The article stands until proven to be a lie, surely someone would have proven it tobe untrue by now and 10+ year old data isn't proof of current ascertions.

Well, actually there has been no reports of a massive increase in the rate of rape and sexual assault in our society. Perhaps you'd care to point to some more scientific research than an assertion in a regional Queensland newspaper to back up your claim? Otherwise I'll just put it down to the banana bending that goes on up there. It sends you blind you know!!!! Grin

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Can you show me where the ADF has officially not conformed to the requiments of societal norms; where it lays out that these abhorent acts are not "taboo". The ADF id very good a witting out every singleaspect about what is acceptable and what isn't, so it shouldn't be too difficult to prove that they condone such behaviour if not encourage it.

I never claimed it had OFFICIALLY. However, unofficially it is obvious that it condones the actions of its personnel because of the lack of action on the numerous complaints that have been laid over the decades. It stands by and let it happen and does little or nothing beyond lip-service to apprehend and punish the perpetrators.

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The ADF like the society it defends has personnel that do not comply with requiments but that is not an indication of any official sanctioning of that behaviour, but you will not mind providing the evidence that you are making your accusations from will you?

Show us the prosecution statistics on this issue! What, you can't 'cause they don't exist, despite the apparent prevalence of this abuse? How interesting!!!! Grin

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Don't defend you fellow scumbag rapists while throwing sh1t at others it is very unbecoming and foolish

Who's defending anybody, apart from you who is acting as an apologist for these scumbag abusers and rapists!!! Shocked

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