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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 38151 Gender:	Re: Pensioners To Consider Protest Rally Reply #90 - Jun 10^th, 2014 at 11:22am Tony wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 10:41am: A Current Affair Very persuasive argument you have there. So you think the idea of a career as a "consumer" is legitimate I take it.
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Re: Pensioners To Consider Protest Rally
Reply #91 - Jun 10^th, 2014 at 11:32am

aquascoot wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 11:19am:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 9:47am:

I dont doubt that businesses are failing in this country. But that's because the job creators. the working and middle classes have had their wages progressively eroded for over 4 decades now and also because small business has fallen in productivity and poor business practices because of all the govt handout they are used to. You want to fix the economy. Follow the proven Keyensian mo0del and put $$$$ in people's pocket and you watch them create jobs. Businesses can't start without a market and you know that to be true but you wont acknowledge it because you wont co-operate with any system that wont give you a handout first.

Amazingly simple, isn't it? When the buying public are doing it tough, they have nothing to spend and thus the whole cycle goes downhill.

Now - this is a far cry from total or huge handouts to millions of people just to spend - that is a short-term 'fix' for an ailing economy as Kevin 07 did - but the simple reality of improving the lot of the ordinary working people and providing genuine opportunities means they can buy and thus business flourishes.

What does NOT contribute to the economy is handing more and more money to the rich, since that is rarely spent and then most often overseas anyway.

THAT is where the Black Holes of Economy start, and that 'system' is made worse by the same privileged treatment of companies large..... and offshore in the main.

As before - a rich household may buy two microwaves - but a thousand moderate households will buy a thousand microwaves..... it's called economies of scale....... applied to small business.......

There seems to be a whole thread devoted to pensioners encouraging each other to retire to Thailand.

That's easily fixed, pay them more and they'll stay here and support the local economy. People have to eat and buy dunny paper wherever they are. It won't help anyone here by forcing people to retire elsewhere.

What can the government do to encourage retirees to stay here? They won't quarantine pensions, Rudd got the boot for less.

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Reply #92 - Jun 10^th, 2014 at 11:39am

Tony wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 10:41am:

A Current Affair Cheesy

I laughed, too.

Both A Current Affair and Today Tonight have a very long and documented history
of demonising the unemployed with 'worst case' scenarios like this. And of course
the thickies lap it up because it strengthens and reinforces the inaccurate stereo-
type which shows like these are paid to create.

When challenged, as they often have been, to do a story showing the unemployed
in a positive light, they remain silent.

If you believe the stories they run are in any way typical, or in any way portray
accurately the vast majority of unemployed, then you're a bloody fool.

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Reply #93 - Jun 10^th, 2014 at 11:42am

Please don't protest, pensioners. Please don't.

There's nothing more pathetic than a bunch of wrinkly, grey types protesting about something or other and there's always a few among them who'll go and yell or hold a placard that's just simply inappropriate and cringe worthy.

On a whole, protesting pensioners are pretty much counter-productive to whatever cause it is.

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Reply #94 - Jun 10^th, 2014 at 11:57am

Kat wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 11:39am:

Tony wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 10:41am:

A Current Affair Cheesy

I laughed, too.

Both A Current Affair and Today Tonight have a very long and documented history
of demonising the unemployed with 'worst case' scenarios like this. And of course
the thickies lap it up because it strengthens and reinforces the inaccurate stereo-
type which shows like these are paid to create.

When challenged, as they often have been, to do a story showing the unemployed
in a positive light, they remain silent.

If you believe the stories they run are in any way typical, or in any way portray
accurately the vast majority of unemployed, then you're a bloody fool.

Hmm, I doubt they'd run such stories if they didn't rate very highly.
must be a lot of suburban battlers who disagree with the leftard welfare lobby.
Food for thought for governments trying to woo the votes of the suburban battler.

You can never be too tough on crime.
You can never be too tough on the welfare lobby.
Gotta love democracy .
Power to the people, hay pansi Wink

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Re: Pensioners To Consider Protest Rally
Reply #95 - Jun 10^th, 2014 at 11:59am

Life_goes_on wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

Please don't protest, pensioners. Please don't.

There's nothing more pathetic than a bunch of wrinkly, grey types protesting about something or other and there's always a few among them who'll go and yell or hold a placard that's just simply inappropriate and cringe worthy.

On a whole, protesting pensioners are pretty much counter-productive to whatever cause it is.

Do ya reckon?

Cringe worthy is the effect they're looking for.

Remember when the grannies got their gear off in front of Rudd? In cold old Canberra. They got their pension rise. He let them hang out their old boobies for a bit longer than necessary (maybe he has some weird fetish) but he finally gave in.

Protesting is never counter productive. It always draws attention. The only time it becomes counter productive is if it gets violent which sometimes happens when other groups deliberately sabotage the protest.

There is a group that is trying to suck in naive people with the intention of causing trouble at the G20 protest rally. Then, there are government backed 'agent provocateurs' that pretend to be part of the protest, starting violence to make the protesters look violent.

Go the pensioners!!!!!!

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Life_goes_on Gold Member Offline Posts: 4772 400kms south of Yobsville, Qld Gender:	Re: Pensioners To Consider Protest Rally Reply #96 - Jun 10^th, 2014 at 12:00pm Quote: You can never be too tough on crime. You can never have enough public executions.
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Reply #97 - Jun 10^th, 2014 at 2:05pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 11:57am:

Kat wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 11:39am:

Tony wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 10:41am:

A Current Affair Cheesy

I laughed, too.

Both A Current Affair and Today Tonight have a very long and documented history
of demonising the unemployed with 'worst case' scenarios like this. And of course
the thickies lap it up because it strengthens and reinforces the inaccurate stereo-
type which shows like these are paid to create.

When challenged, as they often have been, to do a story showing the unemployed
in a positive light, they remain silent.

If you believe the stories they run are in any way typical, or in any way portray
accurately the vast majority of unemployed, then you're a bloody fool.

Hmm, I doubt they'd run such stories if they didn't rate very highly.
must be a lot of suburban battlers who disagree with the leftard welfare lobby.
Food for thought for governments trying to woo the votes of the suburban battler.

You can never be too tough on crime.
You can never be too tough on the welfare lobby.
Gotta love democracy .
Power to the people, hay pansi Wink

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If you believe the stories they run are in any way typical, or in any way portray
accurately the vast majority of unemployed, then you're a bloody fool.

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Re: Pensioners To Consider Protest Rally
Reply #100 - Jun 10^th, 2014 at 2:32pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 9:59am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 9:47am:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 9:03am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 8:55am:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 7:08am:

There are a million possibilities. here's one I thought of this morning.
A coin operated dog wash.
there are millions of opportunities. they just aren't going to come to people with emmas and pansies attitude and they wont come from canberra

Now that's a good start up business if you can get someone to lend you a cool million dollars. The banks don't lend to the unemployed either. We have a coin operated dog wash in my town, it's attached to the car wash, it would be a multi million dollar venture and although the car wash part has some custom, the dog wash is not popular, but maybe in the city, although how much would the land cost, just for starters?

I did read where people are surrendering their dogs to the RSPCA because they can't afford to keep them.

Also electricity and water is going up exponentially across the board, it wouldn't be a cost effective business, you'd have to charge too much, that's why people don't use the ones that are already available.

I can think of one too, but they are always costly to start up. Hire out gofers (those three wheeled mobility scooters) in shopping centres. People can't always take their own because of distance, but.......it's a risky business and a costly one, most small business ventures are.

Small businesses are closing down, not starting up.

Here's another one.

Buy a gold mine.

Here's another.

Repossession Engineer (debt collector).......the next boom industry in Australia. Get in before you need a university degree to do it.

Don't tell Spartacus, he thinks their all overpaid and full of government subsidies, Wink

I dont doubt that businesses are failing in this country. But that's because the job creators. the working and middle classes have had their wages progressively eroded for over 4 decades now and also because small business has fallen in productivity and poor business practices because of all the govt handout they are used to. You want to fix the economy. Follow the proven Keyensian mo0del and put $$$$ in people's pocket and you watch them create jobs. Businesses can't start without a market and you know that to be true but you wont acknowledge it because you wont co-operate with any system that wont give you a handout first.

Blahahaha,
I am reminded of an interview once on A Current Affair with some dope smoking guy with 6 kids from the sunshine coast who got $1600 a fortnight in centrelink payments and was proud of the fact he had never had a job.(never once in his life)
he smiled into the camera and said that "he was creating a lot of jobs in the economy as he and his kids were employed as "consumers" "

My (and i'm sure most peoples) common sense radar BS detector went off on that one.

Thoughts ? Wink

Ohh right genius. And it didn't occur to you that this guy was a plant intended to feed the pathetic prejudices of a little brain like yours just dying to have your bigotry reinforced. Did you not think for one moment that this was just sensationalist commercial TV BS to boost the Current Affairs ratings and that that guy is not even remotely representative of the overwhelming majority of genuine job seekers out there unable to get a job in times when the job market is shrinking so dramatically. Its the age of entitlement alright and you need to stop thinking that you're entitled because you already got far more then you deserve and need to start giving something back

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Grappler Racist Filth Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 90925 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Pensioners To Consider Protest Rally Reply #101 - Jun 10^th, 2014 at 2:42pm Me? Thailand, Schmailand... I'm retiring to an agglomeration of investments offshore in the Philippines, Malaysia, Italy, Germany, France, Spain and whatever.... and retaining my Oz pension at the same time for expenses...... Thailand you say - hmmm.....
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Re: Pensioners To Consider Protest Rally
Reply #102 - Jun 10^th, 2014 at 2:49pm

Kat wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 11:57am:

Kat wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 11:39am:

Tony wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 10:41am:

A Current Affair Cheesy

I laughed, too.

Both A Current Affair and Today Tonight have a very long and documented history
of demonising the unemployed with 'worst case' scenarios like this. And of course
the thickies lap it up because it strengthens and reinforces the inaccurate stereo-
type which shows like these are paid to create.

When challenged, as they often have been, to do a story showing the unemployed
in a positive light, they remain silent.

If you believe the stories they run are in any way typical, or in any way portray
accurately the vast majority of unemployed, then you're a bloody fool.

Hmm, I doubt they'd run such stories if they didn't rate very highly.
must be a lot of suburban battlers who disagree with the leftard welfare lobby.
Food for thought for governments trying to woo the votes of the suburban battler.

You can never be too tough on crime.
You can never be too tough on the welfare lobby.
Gotta love democracy .
Power to the people, hay pansi Wink

Once again...

Quote:

If you believe the stories they run are in any way typical, or in any way portray
accurately the vast majority of unemployed, then you're a bloody fool.

It doesnt matter.
ACA probably has 20 viewers (even if they are ignorant) for every viewer of Q and A (even if they are enlightened Wink

).
So rubbishing ACA wont help you at the ballot box

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Re: Pensioners To Consider Protest Rally
Reply #103 - Jun 10^th, 2014 at 2:51pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 9:59am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 9:47am:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 9:03am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 8:55am:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 7:08am:

There are a million possibilities. here's one I thought of this morning.
A coin operated dog wash.
there are millions of opportunities. they just aren't going to come to people with emmas and pansies attitude and they wont come from canberra

Now that's a good start up business if you can get someone to lend you a cool million dollars. The banks don't lend to the unemployed either. We have a coin operated dog wash in my town, it's attached to the car wash, it would be a multi million dollar venture and although the car wash part has some custom, the dog wash is not popular, but maybe in the city, although how much would the land cost, just for starters?

I did read where people are surrendering their dogs to the RSPCA because they can't afford to keep them.

Also electricity and water is going up exponentially across the board, it wouldn't be a cost effective business, you'd have to charge too much, that's why people don't use the ones that are already available.

I can think of one too, but they are always costly to start up. Hire out gofers (those three wheeled mobility scooters) in shopping centres. People can't always take their own because of distance, but.......it's a risky business and a costly one, most small business ventures are.

Small businesses are closing down, not starting up.

Here's another one.

Buy a gold mine.

Here's another.

Repossession Engineer (debt collector).......the next boom industry in Australia. Get in before you need a university degree to do it.

Don't tell Spartacus, he thinks their all overpaid and full of government subsidies, Wink

I dont doubt that businesses are failing in this country. But that's because the job creators. the working and middle classes have had their wages progressively eroded for over 4 decades now and also because small business has fallen in productivity and poor business practices because of all the govt handout they are used to. You want to fix the economy. Follow the proven Keyensian mo0del and put $$$$ in people's pocket and you watch them create jobs. Businesses can't start without a market and you know that to be true but you wont acknowledge it because you wont co-operate with any system that wont give you a handout first.

Blahahaha,
I am reminded of an interview once on A Current Affair with some dope smoking guy with 6 kids from the sunshine coast who got $1600 a fortnight in centrelink payments and was proud of the fact he had never had a job.(never once in his life)
he smiled into the camera and said that "he was creating a lot of jobs in the economy as he and his kids were employed as "consumers" "

My (and i'm sure most peoples) common sense radar BS detector went off on that one.

Thoughts ? Wink

Ohh right genius. And it didn't occur to you that this guy was a plant intended to feed the pathetic prejudices of a little brain like yours just dying to have your bigotry reinforced. Did you not think for one moment that this was just sensationalist commercial TV BS to boost the Current Affairs ratings and that that guy is not even remotely representative of the overwhelming majority of genuine job seekers out there unable to get a job in times when the job market is shrinking so dramatically. Its the age of entitlement alright and you need to stop thinking that you're entitled because you already got far more then you deserve and need to start giving something back

Well, at least he's proof, if it were needed, that the brainwashing practised by ACA does work.

Interestingly, should anyone from the left or centre ever dare to use ACA or TT as a reference
in a post which doesn't 'sit square' with right-wing conservative dogma, they are instantly and
loudly howled-down, and told that 'No-one believes those tabloid shows, geez you're gullible'.

Go figure... Sad

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Reply #104 - Jun 10^th, 2014 at 3:08pm

i'm presenting ACA or Alan Jones or Ray Hadley as relevant, not because they are neccessarily right, but because they have captured the mood of the electorate.

this is where the intellectual elite always shoot themselves in the foot.

They sneer at the suburbanite voters (who determine every election). They act as if they are all ignoramouses (which they may well be) .
Its a popularity contest leftards. Its got absolutely nothing to do with who is right or who is wrong.

You wont change the public opinion on dole recipients or any other issue until you establish rapport.

Such slow learners are the leftards.
Such little emotional intelligence.

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