[i][[size=6]I wasn't talking about 'whinging oldies', and don't think I even mentioned them.
What I said was that welfare recipients have good and genuine grounds for [i]having a
whinge, and that pensioners are welfare recipients not some separate species to be
treated differently to other recipients, as Scoot seems to imply.
That was all. [/quote]
kat aged pensioners have PAID THEIR DUES...they paid taxes toi support there previous pensioners...and they did it without whingeing and saying what about meeee.
I do not like being lumped with people on the dole or being paid to attend school or TAFE..thank you...and like I said I am not a whinger...like some who complain at every turn...
I am not looking for hand outs either...and I dont know of any other aged pensioner that is..
they have done their share of tough and hardships....and think those that whinge today are a bunch of no hopers..and would fall apart in a really tough world..wouldnt cope at all..
look how they whinge about a slow computer... or a bus being late...
I am sick of hearing about how "tough" those who dont work are doing it....
and I dont like being told I am on welfare. [/quote]
Well, thanks for the sideways shot at my TAFE course... would you rather I sat and bludged? Why do
you think it's a NIGHT course? So it doesn't interfere with WORK.
But you keep hearing about how tough those on the dole are doing BECAUSE they are doing it tough.
A LOT tougher than pensioners. $300 a fortnight tougher, in fact.
Also, the majority of them have also 'PAID THEIR DUES...they paid taxes'. Or do you think all 50+
year-old unemployed have been there since they left school?
And yes, the pension is welfare. Pensioners are not a separate entity.
Meanwhile... some food for thought
Gotta agree with el gatto.. and ..even some of what herbie said
.
Cods... you often misinterpret what people are trying to say....
Kat isn't slanging off at pensioners.
AND YES
People power works 'cos Newman has backed down and says he will not proceed.
(He wants to keep his power)
I'm a pensioner.. I haven't seen a movie eg. AT the Cinema ..for over a decade. I am not whinging.. that is just a fact.
It does help that I don't like movies.. and have learnt to live without lots of the things most people in society take for granted.
What is the problem...?? I get a fixed fortnightly income..
until this Fed govt.. indexed to realtime values. Now they are going to remove that . Why??
PENSIONERS pay all their money on survival... power food bills.. if you think there is anything left..? forget it.
And what this means ??? the money goes back into the Australian economy... all of it, ... what I mean is eg... pensioners don't purchase brand new utes every yr or so.. UTES made overseas, ie money goes o/s. . They don't have multiple TVs or overseas trips.
Pensioners stay home, pay their bills and buy their food, and hope they can do the same next fortnight.

And I despise the fact that the Australian Government, and apparently Australian people, accept this change of terms... from being
Social Security... an obligation on society to care for its needy... to the American style.. WELFARE..a pejorative term that I think should be dumped. We are talking about social security... , and the language now makes this a negative.. rather than a positive.
No it isn't Social Security.... its Welfare.! Do you understand the difference,.??
We , as elders in a civilised society, have a right, as Kats quote says, to receive decent treatment... NOT to be treated as pariahs who don't work.. so ought to be sent out and exposed to the elements..!!
What has happened to our values...?? Oh I know...
MONEY is GOD.