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Pensioners to consider protest rally against state budget

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    June 3, 2014


The Queensland government faces the embarrassing prospect of seniors and pensioners marching through the streets to protest its plan to cut their concessions.

Tuesday's state budget forecasts a 15 per cent cut to the Electricity Rebate Scheme, the Pensioner Rate Rebate Scheme, the SEQ Pensioner Water Rebate Scheme, the Reticulated Natural Gas Rebate Scheme and vehicle registration concessions.      Sad

The revelation comes only days after the Queensland Competition Authority announced a $200 increase in electricity bills.


And in May the federal budget included a $7 co-payment to visit a doctor, a rise in petrol prices and an extra 80 cent charge per prescription in the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme.

Ray Ferguson, Queensland president of the Australian Pensioners and Superannuants League, said the state government's cuts to pensioners' rebates was "cowardly".

"What are pensioners supposed to do, when these increases come into effect at the same time as the state government budget has announced there is likely to be a 15 per cent reduction in the electricity rebate?" he said.

"So what do they do? Do they pay their electricity account, do they put food on their table, or do they go without their medicine?"      Sad

He labelled the second budget hit on pensioners and seniors in three weeks an "outrageous"  double whammy.

"And the cowardly thing about the way this budget is ... they won't announce the size of those cuts to rebates and concessions until October."

He said that was because state governments were waiting to see how the Senate would tackle the federal government's cuts.

Mr Ferguson said a national pension group, the Fair Go for Pensioners Coalition, was holding a forum in Brisbane in mid June and would organising a protest against the cuts.

"[The forum] will be held at the Queensland Council of Unions building in South Brisbane and from there we are very hopeful of taking it to a rally," Mr Ferguson said.

"We hope then to develop it into a rally at a later date. Their decision gives us until October to organise a rally."

Mr Ferguson said both levels of government had underestimated the anger growing among seniors and pensioners in Queensland.      Angry

"Now they ought to take into account that there are 600,000 seniors in Queensland and they are not going to take this lying down," he said.

Mr Ferguson said pensioners understood the cuts to concessions to electricity, pensioner rates, and water subsidy schemes were linked to federal government cutbacks, not a specific state government policy.

However he said Treasurer Tim Nicholls had spent six months touring Queensland listening to Queenslanders who did not suggest cutting seniors' concessions.

"Of course it is fair to blame the state government," he said. "The Treasurer went out on a listening campaign and people said they don't want assets to be sold off. They want an increase in the royalty of mining taxes, they want an increase in gambling taxes."

However In Tuesday's budget speech, Mr Nicholls said 28 per cent of the 55,000 submissions favoured increasing taxes, while 18 per cent "mostly favoured" service reductions.

"Most significantly, 46 per cent of submissions chose to raise the majority of the $25 billion to $30 billion required for debt reduction through the sale or lease of some assets," he said.

Mr Nicholls acknowledged the Queensland government could not cover the entire $50.4 million shortfall in concession money from the federal government.   Sad      

"As a result of the federal government's cuts we are going to have to pass some of that through," Mr Nicholls said.

"But this government has actually increased its concession payments by 9.9 per cent," he said.

"But the reality is that we couldn't absorb all of it."

Mr Nicholls said pensioners should raise their concerns with their federal MPs.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/pensioners-to-consider-protest-rally-against-state-budget-20140603-zrwlr.html#ixzz33f3AnY00

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Reply #1 - Jun 5th, 2014 at 12:07am
 

The way these clowns are carrying on, it won't be long before the
only ones NOT marching and rallying will be the rusted-ons.
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Trying to get the pensioners to join the March in August protest.....all aboard the Anti-Abbott/Anti Newman train, it will be a biggy!!!!

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My personal gut feeling is that young families with young kids and low wages are doing it a lot tougher than pensioners.

As I always say, those who complain the most (and its usually pensioners and welfare recipients) obviously have plenty of energy to complain.

the ones you really have to worry about are the ones who are so dead set tired that they haven't the strength to complain.
These are the people we need to give a hand up to.

I would include small farmers, suburban battlers, newly divorced dads, long distance owner operator truck drivers.
these are the groups i'd like to see get some relief.

Doubt they'll ever have a protest rally. Too busy just trying to survive.
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Reply #4 - Jun 5th, 2014 at 7:21am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 6:09am:
Trying to get the pensioners to join the March in August protest.....all aboard the Anti-Abbott/Anti Newman train, it will be a biggy!!!!

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and the hypocrites wont sneer at them like they did during the CARBON TAX protest march..

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Reply #5 - Jun 5th, 2014 at 7:51am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 7:12am:
Doubt they'll ever have a protest rally. Too busy just trying to survive.



When it's their turn they will. Remember this one?

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aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 7:12am:
My personal gut feeling is that young families with young kids and low wages are doing it a lot tougher than pensioners.

As I always say, those who complain the most (and its usually pensioners and welfare recipients) obviously have plenty of energy to complain.

the ones you really have to worry about are the ones who are so dead set tired that they haven't the strength to complain.
These are the people we need to give a hand up to.

I would include small farmers, suburban battlers, newly divorced dads, long distance owner operator truck drivers.
these are the groups i'd like to see get some relief.

Doubt they'll ever have a protest rally. Too busy just trying to survive.



You'd be wrong, though.

Oh, BTW, pensioners ARE welfare recipients, they're not a separate species. And
welfare recipients have a lot more to complain about than you seem to think.

And all of it justified.
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Reply #7 - Jun 5th, 2014 at 7:57am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 7:12am:
My personal gut feeling is that young families with young kids and low wages are doing it a lot tougher than pensioners.


That's not what I've been observing ~ at all.

The young couple opposite my place were living off his wages as a back-hoe operator:

Two young kids.
Wife didn't work.
Two large dogs.
Two cars ~ one an expensive 4-wheel drive.
Rental payments to meet.

*******

My next door neighbour ... young couple:

Paying off a mortgage
Two ankle-biters.
Two large dogs.
Big 4-wheel drive.
She smoked.
They built an expensive enclosed veranda at the back.

********

I often find myself shaking my head and wondering where the hell they get the money from.

I don't drive, but my brother only ever owned a crappy old Datsun 180B for most of his life. I think he even had a Datsun 120 at one time.

Maybe because it's all on 'tick' ~ credit. I believe the rate of defaulting on mortgages is horrendous nowadays. I had a neighbour and his wife who lasted only 3 years before they had to give up the mortgage and go rent in the next suburb.

****

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 7:12am:
the ones you really have to worry about are the ones who are so dead set tired that they haven't the strength to complain.

These are the people we need to give a hand up to.

... newly divorced dads,


That's an interesting choice. The law being as it is, my brother had his fully-paid-off house on a suburban quarter-acre block ripped off him by the 'No Fault' divorce laws. His bitch of a wife simply couldn't be bothered with him anymore, and wanted to hog the children for herself as solely 'belonging' to her.

How he didn't commit suicide is still a mystery to me.

He's been dead from cancer these 10 years now. A blessing.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 7:12am:
long distance owner operator truck drivers.


Not if I had anything to do with it. These owner-driver arseholes bugger up countless erstwhile nice little residential streets throughout Australia by parking their ugly, smelly, noisy rigs out front to the effect their neighbours find themselves living in an industrial parking lot after a lifetime of working to buy a house.

I would make it totally unlawful for owner-drivers to bring their trucks home. I've had personal experience of these arseholes on several occasions.

There should be no private ownership of trucks. They should work for companies that have their own parking space. 

*******

Well said, El Gatto.




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Reply #8 - Jun 5th, 2014 at 8:18am
 
Kat wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 7:55am:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 7:12am:
My personal gut feeling is that young families with young kids and low wages are doing it a lot tougher than pensioners.

As I always say, those who complain the most (and its usually pensioners and welfare recipients) obviously have plenty of energy to complain.

the ones you really have to worry about are the ones who are so dead set tired that they haven't the strength to complain.
These are the people we need to give a hand up to.

I would include small farmers, suburban battlers, newly divorced dads, long distance owner operator truck drivers.
these are the groups i'd like to see get some relief.

Doubt they'll ever have a protest rally. Too busy just trying to survive.



You'd be wrong, though.

Oh, BTW, pensioners ARE welfare recipients, they're not a separate species. And
welfare recipients have a lot more to complain about than you seem to think.

And all of it justified.




really

my son in laws dad has just found himself on the waiting list for a nursing home place....he is very very difficult.. in and out of hospital and driving his poor wife to distraction.. anyway they have finally put him in  low care aged nursing where of course he cannot remain indefinitely he has the utmost care...24/7 good meals.. caring staff everyone trying their best to keep this man happy.. [impossible].we will find him a place until then he remains where he is because he cannot return home..[although thats his plan].

this is costing him 87% of his pension...doctors nurses..food and attention.... I think thats bloody marvellous..

is he complaining you betcha..

like a lot of oldies and young ones.. they whinge and whinge yet wouldnt know what the word tough means..

I am not whingeing not at all.. I dont want or expect the same things I had when I was 30..I dont need ball gowns or fancy shoes...I dont go to the doctor every week and never have done...in fact when younger I wouldnt go at all some years...I go now because the doctor wants to see me.. not the other way round....so no $7 that will go towards finding a cure for spina bifida doesnt bother me at all...

so kat when you talk about whingeing oldies dont include me... you whinge all you like though..we expect it.
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Reply #9 - Jun 5th, 2014 at 8:30am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 7:57am:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 7:12am:
My personal gut feeling is that young families with young kids and low wages are doing it a lot tougher than pensioners.


That's not what I've been observing ~ at all.

The young couple opposite my place were living off his wages as a back-hoe operator:

Two young kids.
Wife didn't work.
Two large dogs.
Two cars ~ one an expensive 4-wheel drive.
Rental payments to meet.

*******

My next door neighbour ... young couple:

Paying off a mortgage
Two ankle-biters.
Two large dogs.
Big 4-wheel drive.
She smoked.
They built an expensive enclosed veranda at the back.

********

I often find myself shaking my head and wondering where the hell they get the money from.

I don't drive, but my brother only ever owned a crappy old Datsun 180B for most of his life. I think he even had a Datsun 120 at one time.

Maybe because it's all on 'tick' ~ credit. I believe the rate of defaulting on mortgages is horrendous nowadays. I had a neighbour and his wife who lasted only 3 years before they had to give up the mortgage and go rent in the next suburb.

****

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 7:12am:
the ones you really have to worry about are the ones who are so dead set tired that they haven't the strength to complain.

These are the people we need to give a hand up to.

... newly divorced dads,


That's an interesting choice. The law being as it is, my brother had his fully-paid-off house on a suburban quarter-acre block ripped off him by the 'No Fault' divorce laws. His bitch of a wife simply couldn't be bothered with him anymore, and wanted to hog the children for herself as solely 'belonging' to her.

How he didn't commit suicide is still a mystery to me.

He's been dead from cancer these 10 years now. A blessing.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 7:12am:
long distance owner operator truck drivers.


Not if I had anything to do with it. These owner-driver arseholes bugger up countless erstwhile nice little residential streets throughout Australia by parking their ugly, smelly, noisy rigs out front to the effect their neighbours find themselves living in an industrial parking lot after a lifetime of working to buy a house.

I would make it totally unlawful for owner-drivers to bring their trucks home. I've had personal experience of these arseholes on several occasions.

There should be no private ownership of trucks. They should work for companies that have their own parking space. 

*******

Well said, El Gatto.






Interesting herb.
I'll take that on board.
A new perspective.

The chinese I work with are mortified at how much welfare we give out.
If we want our economy to grow , (certainly at anywhere near 1/4 of the chinese rate) we are going to have to do two things.

Become a nation of savers

reward the productive elements.

welfare seems set up to punish savers and punish the productive elements. It almost encourages recipients to not try and "pull themselves up"
I think the figure was that someone emerging from the dole into low paid work mays an effective marginal tax rate of 87 %.
ie, they lose benefits and start paying tax and end up only 13 cents in the dollar better off for wages earnt.
clearly, this must cease
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Reply #10 - Jun 5th, 2014 at 8:31am
 
cods wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 8:18am:
... .we will find him a place until then he remains where he is because he cannot return home..[although thats his plan].


That's his plan.

Grin Grin Grin

I shouldn't laugh.  Embarrassed

cods wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 8:18am:
this is costing him 87% of his pension...doctors nurses..food and attention.... I think thats bloody marvellous..


It's a rip-off. Trust me, his cost to the place wouldn't be half that.

cods wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 8:18am:
..I go now because the doctor wants to see me.. not the other way round....


Grin Grin Grin

I'm sorry. There I go again.  Embarrassed

Tell him/her to piss off ~ you've got better things to do.

cods wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 8:18am:
so no $7 that will go towards finding a cure for spina bifida doesnt bother me at all...


It's a rip-off.

The big pharmaceutical companies have plenty enough money to finance ongoing research into various diseases ... which is what they do, because every time they develop a tablet that slows the progress of Alzheimer's and others ~ they sell it to us across the counter at an exorbitant cost that returns them zillions in profits.

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aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 8:30am:
Interesting herb.
I'll take that on board.
A new perspective.


I openly admit I have a very 'bad attitude' towards truckies bringing their rigs home to sit 'out front' in streets where poor working-class bastards and their wives have worked their arse off for years in soul-destroying jobs in order to finally own their own little family home ~ probably the first generation to do so.

And then some arrogant arsehole with a Napoleon Complex comes driving this whopping 24-wheel behemoth up the street to park it within view of a score of lounge-room windows that should only show white picket fences, flowering gardens, little old ladies walking their dogs, and some kids playing in the street.

Don't get me started.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 8:30am:
The chinese I work with are mortified at how much welfare we give out.


Dear O dear O dear. I'll bet you didn't tell them that TWICE the money is being handed out because Centrelink staff don't bother (or are too afraid to) enforce the Reciprocal Obligation rules.

Half those on the dole would no longer be there if the rules were enforced.




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Reply #12 - Jun 5th, 2014 at 8:55am
 
cods wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 8:18am:
Kat wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 7:55am:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 7:12am:
My personal gut feeling is that young families with young kids and low wages are doing it a lot tougher than pensioners.

As I always say, those who complain the most (and its usually pensioners and welfare recipients) obviously have plenty of energy to complain.

the ones you really have to worry about are the ones who are so dead set tired that they haven't the strength to complain.
These are the people we need to give a hand up to.

I would include small farmers, suburban battlers, newly divorced dads, long distance owner operator truck drivers.
these are the groups i'd like to see get some relief.

Doubt they'll ever have a protest rally. Too busy just trying to survive.



You'd be wrong, though.

Oh, BTW, pensioners ARE welfare recipients, they're not a separate species. And
welfare recipients have a lot more to complain about than you seem to think.

And all of it justified.




really

my son in laws dad has just found himself on the waiting list for a nursing home place....he is very very difficult.. in and out of hospital and driving his poor wife to distraction.. anyway they have finally put him in  low care aged nursing where of course he cannot remain indefinitely he has the utmost care...24/7 good meals.. caring staff everyone trying their best to keep this man happy.. [impossible].we will find him a place until then he remains where he is because he cannot return home..[although thats his plan].

this is costing him 87% of his pension...doctors nurses..food and attention.... I think thats bloody marvellous..

is he complaining you betcha..

like a lot of oldies and young ones.. they whinge and whinge yet wouldnt know what the word tough means..

I am not whingeing not at all.. I dont want or expect the same things I had when I was 30..I dont need ball gowns or fancy shoes...I dont go to the doctor every week and never have done...in fact when younger I wouldnt go at all some years...I go now because the doctor wants to see me.. not the other way round....so no $7 that will go towards finding a cure for spina bifida doesnt bother me at all...

so kat when you talk about whingeing oldies dont include me... you whinge all you like though..we expect it.



I wasn't talking about 'whinging oldies', and don't think I even mentioned them.

What I said was that welfare recipients have good and genuine grounds for having a
whinge, and that pensioners are welfare recipients not some separate species to be
treated differently to other recipients, as Scoot seems to imply.

That was all.
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Reply #13 - Jun 5th, 2014 at 9:03am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 8:49am:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 8:30am:
Interesting herb.
I'll take that on board.
A new perspective.


I openly admit I have a very 'bad attitude' towards truckies bringing their rigs home to sit 'out front' in streets where poor working-class bastards and their wives have worked their arse off for years in soul-destroying jobs in order to finally own their own little family home ~ probably the first generation to do so.

And then some arrogant arsehole with a Napoleon Complex comes driving this whopping 24-wheel behemoth up the street to park it within view of a score of lounge-room windows that should only show white picket fences, flowering gardens, little old ladies walking their dogs, and some kids playing in the street.

Don't get me started.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 8:30am:
The chinese I work with are mortified at how much welfare we give out.


Dear O dear O dear. I'll bet you didn't tell them that TWICE the money is being handed out because Centrelink staff don't bother (or are too afraid to) enforce the Reciprocal Obligation rules.

Half those on the dole would no longer be there if the rules were enforced.





Maybe it's about time the government kept THEIR end of mutual obligation (what a joke!)
and raised No-Start to a liveable level?

And please don't try to tell me that it is enough to live on, or that they 'don't deserve it'.

And MOST of those on the dole wouldn't be there if there were JOBS.
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Kat wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 9:03am:
Maybe it's about time the government kept THEIR end of mutual obligation (what a joke!)
and raised No-Start to a liveable level?

And please don't try to tell me that it is enough to live on, or that they 'don't deserve it'.

And MOST of those on the dole wouldn't be there if there were JOBS.


I agree.

A young woman renting up the street from me told me she's going back to the UK because neither she not Centrelink can find her a job. I believe her.

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We should make a distinction between the Centrelink unemployed who get the full dole while living and eating in the family home ~ and those who have flown the coup.
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