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Re: Climate Heat Record While Abbott Fiddles
Reply #30 - Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 3:51pm

PZ547 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 3:44pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 3:37pm:

Well PZ, before the Greens would even look at campaigning against chemtrails, someone would have to prove that such a thing really exists. Which has not (and cannot) happen.

Gizmo, you have two choices before you:

(1) you admit (because it's already known) that you're just a post for hire

or

(2) you're a wilful idiot

choice is yours

Personally, I feel both apply

Now get yourself off to Youtube where you'll find THOUSANDS of videos of Chemtrails

You can get yourself off to half a million alternative news forums and read in depth scientific analysis of Chemtrail components

You can step outside your door and see Chemtrails from horizon to horizon

THEN you can try to justify the expenditure of millions of dollars per day of OUR money on Chemtrails

it's OUR money !

OUR money being spent on the clouding and poisoning of skies, water, food

OUR money paying pilots to dump the stuff over every dam, every town and city in this land (and all other lands)

You can go to mainstream news and read how people in OTHER countries actually get out there and protest at airports, outside government offices, etc, re Chemtrails

You can read how Chemtrails actually killed Italians outright

You can go read about Morgellons

You can go to gardening forums in almost any country to see how even ordinary household gardens are withering and dying because of Chemtrails

It's all out there Gizmo --- on the world wide web

Even grandparents know about Chemtrails these days

and you're little johnny all alone, claiming the entire world is out of step apart from little old you

give it up

I'll take option 3) I'm someone who doesn't wear a tinfoil hat and doesn't believe everything posted on a website that claims to have 'secret' info, or 'what they don't want you to know'...

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Re: Climate Heat Record While Abbott Fiddles
Reply #31 - Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 4:04pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 12:47pm:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 12:33pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 12:27pm:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 11:17am:

____ wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 10:00am:

Looks like the next election will be over AGW !

Is there going to be a "world" election?

LOL

Great rains along the entire MDB catchment over the weekend. From Far Nth NSW to the Vic ALPs.

Awesome hey?

And interesting to see the SOI moving higher into positive, don't ya reckon?!!

On which planet is "the SOI moving higher into positive"? Not this one:
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/soi.gif
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/soi2.shtml

The tropical Pacific Ocean continues a general trend toward El Niño, with just over half of the climate models surveyed by the Bureau suggesting El Niño thresholds will be exceeded by August. An El Niño ALERT remains in place, indicating at least a 70% chance of an El Niño developing in 2014.
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/

Elders is more up to date, it is half way through 2014 you know... Shocked

Anyway, the SOI is in positive and that's a good thing. Been in + territory for the last 6 readings. The last 2 reading higher than the 3rd last.

Let's hope it stays there. Cool

I gave you the BOM data to May 2014. It is exactly the same data you will get from Elders.

SOI is essentially neutral at the moment - varying between slightly positive and slightly negative.

However, as quoted for you earlier, The tropical Pacific Ocean continues a general trend toward El Niño, with just over half of the climate models surveyed by the Bureau suggesting El Niño thresholds will be exceeded by August

El Nino is coming. Probably sooner than later.

OK you must be looking at the weekly stats.

I was looking at the monthly average – and the last 6 are all positive.

Looking at the weekly results, my comment...

“And interesting to see the SOI moving higher into positive, don't ya reckon” is even more correct, moving from

–12

to almost

+10

.

So I’ll try and stay positive, you can pray for the worst and make crap up….. Sad

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Re: Climate Heat Record While Abbott Fiddles
Reply #32 - Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 4:09pm

PZ547 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 3:44pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 3:37pm:

Well PZ, before the Greens would even look at campaigning against chemtrails, someone would have to prove that such a thing really exists. Which has not (and cannot) happen.

Now get yourself off to Youtube where you'll find THOUSANDS of videos of Chemtrails

Try and keep the nut-job conspiracies out of it.

Roll Eyes

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Re: Climate Heat Record While Abbott Fiddles
Reply #33 - Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 4:21pm

PZ547 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 3:44pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 3:37pm:

Well PZ, before the Greens would even look at campaigning against chemtrails, someone would have to prove that such a thing really exists. Which has not (and cannot) happen.

Gizmo, you have two choices before you:

(1) you admit (because it's already known) that you're just a post for hire
or
(2) you're a wilful idiot
choice is yours

Now get yourself off to Youtube where you'll find THOUSANDS of videos of Chemtrails

You can get yourself off to half a million alternative news forums and read in depth scientific analysis of Chemtrail components

You can step outside your door and see Chemtrails from horizon to horizon

You can go read about Morgellons

you're little johnny all alone, claiming the entire world is out of step apart from little old you

give it up

I can go to Youtube and see videos of CONTRAILS.
I can step outside and see Contrails (occasionally, when a high altitude flight goes over), but not from 'horizon to horizon'.

You mean THIS Morgellons??
"Morgellons (also called Morgellons disease or Morgellons syndrome) is a condition whose sufferers have the delusional belief that they are infested with disease-causing agents described as things like insects, parasites, hairs or fibers, but in reality no such things are present.

These symptoms have been identified by a range of medical experts including dermatologists, entomologists, and psychiatrists, as consistent with delusional parasitosis (DP or DOP)."

And no, the world isn't out of step with me. 90+% of the World don't believe in Chemtrails.

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Re: Climate Heat Record While Abbott Fiddles
Reply #34 - Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 4:23pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 4:21pm:

PZ547 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 3:44pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 3:37pm:

Well PZ, before the Greens would even look at campaigning against chemtrails, someone would have to prove that such a thing really exists. Which has not (and cannot) happen.

Gizmo, you have two choices before you:

(1) you admit (because it's already known) that you're just a post for hire
or
(2) you're a wilful idiot
choice is yours

Now get yourself off to Youtube where you'll find THOUSANDS of videos of Chemtrails

You can get yourself off to half a million alternative news forums and read in depth scientific analysis of Chemtrail components

You can step outside your door and see Chemtrails from horizon to horizon

You can go read about Morgellons

you're little johnny all alone, claiming the entire world is out of step apart from little old you

give it up

You mean THIS Morgellons??
"Morgellons (also called Morgellons disease or Morgellons syndrome) is a condition whose sufferers have the delusional belief that they are infested with disease-causing agents described as things like insects, parasites, hairs or fibers, but in reality no such things are present.

These symptoms have been identified by a range of medical experts including dermatologists, entomologists, and psychiatrists, as consistent with delusional parasitosis (DP or DOP)."

And no, the world isn't out of step with me. 90+% of the World don't believe in Chemtrails.

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Re: Climate Heat Record While Abbott Fiddles
Reply #35 - Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 4:24pm

.

TOO LATE

It's out there

It's no conspiracy

It's FACT

FACT so beyond dispute that even the 96%-owned mainstream media has had to acknowledge Chemtrails

Now USrael is struggling to keep up

and is tossing forth 'justification' in the form of claims that Chemtrails (which are now acknowledged fact) are 'too act as a shield against the sun'

which is fooling no one at all of course

Difficult to believe that even in an online backwater like this, there are still a few who are so out of the loop that they try to label government secrets as 'conspiracies'

TOO LATE

The world is fully conversant with the reality of Chemtrails

The time for paid postings in denial of Chemtrails was 12 and 10 years ago

These days, even kids and grandparents are taking vids of Chemtrails and posting them in their thousands on Youtube

No argument as to whether or not Chemtrails exist

They do. It's admitted, acknowledged

Now it's time for our politicians to start trying to JUSTIFY Chemtrails

Are they going to try for the 'shield against the sun' lie ?

Or are they going to try for the 'aerial vaccination' explanation?

Oh, and you dinosaur deniers haven't forgotten about this, have you:

Quote:

Nov 15, 2013

Australia Determined To Forcibly Vaccinate By Intentional and Controlled Release of Aerosolized GMO Vaccine

Quote:

The Office of the Gene Technology Regulator (OGTR) is on its way to approve a licence application from PaxVax Australia (PaxVax) for the intentional release of a GMO vaccine consisting of live bacteria into the environment in Queensland, South Australia, Western Australia and Victoria

Those with kids/grandkids should probably acquaint themselves with the rest of the article and the hundreds of similar articles accessible online

http://preventdisease.com/news/13/111513_Australia-Determined-To-Forcibly-Vaccinate-By-Intentional-and-Controlled-Release-Aerosolized-GMO-Vaccine.shtml

Nice photo of Chemtrails included in the above article

and no, Joan, those are not contrails. Not even close

Why not seek Freedom of Information re: the above?

They're probably already busy spraying you

I posted the above article here in Nov last year

People too busy deciding if they liked Julia or Tony best, lol

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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Climate Heat Record While Abbott Fiddles Reply #36 - Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 4:29pm I thought you said mainstream media???? David Icke, bibliotecapleyades.net/ and PrisonPlanet don't qualify.
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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 21667 Gender:	Re: Climate Heat Record While Abbott Fiddles Reply #37 - Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 4:49pm Google Scholar doesn't turn up any results for chemtrails. Must be afraid to publish.
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rabbitoh08 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1528 Gender:	Re: Climate Heat Record While Abbott Fiddles Reply #38 - Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 4:54pm lee wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 2:57pm: I haven't seen any characterisation of El Ninos being caused by an increase in CO2. No. Why would you? Trying to build a straw man are we?
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Re: Climate Heat Record While Abbott Fiddles
Reply #39 - Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 4:58pm

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 4:04pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 12:47pm:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 12:33pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 12:27pm:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 11:17am:

____ wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 10:00am:

Looks like the next election will be over AGW !

Is there going to be a "world" election?

LOL

Great rains along the entire MDB catchment over the weekend. From Far Nth NSW to the Vic ALPs.

Awesome hey?

And interesting to see the SOI moving higher into positive, don't ya reckon?!!

On which planet is "the SOI moving higher into positive"? Not this one:
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/soi.gif
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/soi2.shtml

The tropical Pacific Ocean continues a general trend toward El Niño, with just over half of the climate models surveyed by the Bureau suggesting El Niño thresholds will be exceeded by August. An El Niño ALERT remains in place, indicating at least a 70% chance of an El Niño developing in 2014.
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/

Elders is more up to date, it is half way through 2014 you know... Shocked

Anyway, the SOI is in positive and that's a good thing. Been in + territory for the last 6 readings. The last 2 reading higher than the 3rd last.

Let's hope it stays there. Cool

I gave you the BOM data to May 2014. It is exactly the same data you will get from Elders.

SOI is essentially neutral at the moment - varying between slightly positive and slightly negative.

However, as quoted for you earlier, The tropical Pacific Ocean continues a general trend toward El Niño, with just over half of the climate models surveyed by the Bureau suggesting El Niño thresholds will be exceeded by August

El Nino is coming. Probably sooner than later.

OK you must be looking at the weekly stats.

I was looking at the monthly average – and the last 6 are all positive.

Looking at the weekly results, my comment...

“And interesting to see the SOI moving higher into positive, don't ya reckon” is even more correct, moving from

–12

to almost

+10

.

So I’ll try and stay positive, you can pray for the worst and make crap up….. Sad

The latest update from 20 May says:

Tropical Pacific Ocean edges further toward El Niño

The tropical Pacific Ocean continues a general trend toward El Niño, with just over half of the climate models surveyed by the Bureau suggesting El Niño thresholds will be exceeded by August.
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/

Not sure how you can read into that:
“And interesting to see the SOI moving higher into positive, don't ya reckon”

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Re: Climate Heat Record While Abbott Fiddles
Reply #40 - Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 5:02pm

PZ547 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 4:24pm:

.

TOO LATE

It's out there

It's no conspiracy

It's FACT

FACT so beyond dispute that even the 96%-owned mainstream media has had to acknowledge Chemtrails

Now USrael is struggling to keep up

and is tossing forth 'justification' in the form of claims that Chemtrails (which are now acknowledged fact) are 'too act as a shield against the sun'

which is fooling no one at all of course

Difficult to believe that even in an online backwater like this, there are still a few who are so out of the loop that they try to label government secrets as 'conspiracies'

TOO LATE

The world is fully conversant with the reality of Chemtrails

The time for paid postings in denial of Chemtrails was 12 and 10 years ago

These days, even kids and grandparents are taking vids of Chemtrails and posting them in their thousands on Youtube

No argument as to whether or not Chemtrails exist

They do. It's admitted, acknowledged

Now it's time for our politicians to start trying to JUSTIFY Chemtrails

Are they going to try for the 'shield against the sun' lie ?

Or are they going to try for the 'aerial vaccination' explanation?

Oh, and you dinosaur deniers haven't forgotten about this, have you:

Quote:

Nov 15, 2013

Australia Determined To Forcibly Vaccinate By Intentional and Controlled Release of Aerosolized GMO Vaccine

Quote:

The Office of the Gene Technology Regulator (OGTR) is on its way to approve a licence application from PaxVax Australia (PaxVax) for the intentional release of a GMO vaccine consisting of live bacteria into the environment in Queensland, South Australia, Western Australia and Victoria

Those with kids/grandkids should probably acquaint themselves with the rest of the article and the hundreds of similar articles accessible online

http://preventdisease.com/news/13/111513_Australia-Determined-To-Forcibly-Vaccinate-By-Intentional-and-Controlled-Release-Aerosolized-GMO-Vaccine.shtml

Nice photo of Chemtrails included in the above article

and no, Joan, those are not contrails. Not even close

Why not seek Freedom of Information re: the above?

They're probably already busy spraying you

I posted the above article here in Nov last year

People too busy deciding if they liked Julia or Tony best, lol

Calm down.

It's just water vapour.

Contrails (/ˈkɒntreɪlz/; short for "condensation trails") or vapor trails are long, thin artificial (man-made) clouds that sometimes form behind aircraft. Their formation is most often triggered by the water vapor in the exhaust of aircraft engines, but can also be triggered by the changes in air pressure in wingtip vortices or in the air over the entire wing surface.[1] Like all clouds, contrails are made of water, in the form of a suspension of billions of liquid droplets or ice crystals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail

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Re: Climate Heat Record While Abbott Fiddles
Reply #41 - Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 5:19pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 2:49pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 12:33pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 12:18pm:

____ wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 12:17pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 12:15pm:

Kytro wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 10:27am:

Swagman wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 10:12am:

The aging population is a factual problem and not a theoretical problem like AGWT.

Abbott is dealing with realities not eco-socialist fantasies

Don't be disingenuous. Climate change is supported by the science, it's far from a fantasy.

The big thing holding governments and business back from dealing with it is immediate economic cost. The possible problems are too far in the future from a political point of view to take action now that may affect business. Even the ALP was quite limited in the actions it was taking.

The long term economic consequences are probably going to be significant, but that will be a problem for different CEOs and politicians so the current lot are not willing to deal with it.

The entire controversy exists only because some people don't want it to be true, and are thus willing to ignore the evidence.

The "science" on climate change is far from settled, whereas the situation with our ageing population is an undeniable fact. Get it right!

The science of greenhouse gas is settled.

Only in your warped mind, Greens_Nutjob...

No. That would also be in the minds of every scientific and academic body on the planet.

I guess it is all just a big conspiracy, huh?

Why do you keep saying it's a conspiracy?

I haven't seen any skeptics on here say that it's a conspiracy.

Oh really?!?!

You haven't seen the nutjobs that go on and on about how the CSIRO and BOM and NASA and UKMet and every other scientific organisation on the planet are lying about their data and hiding secrets? And how that the only reason there is virtually no scientific literature claiming that AGW is not happening is because it is (somehow) being suppressed?

And the nutjobs that carry on about how AGW is some hoax to turn us all communist or some such drivel?

You really haven't seen them?
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 2:49pm:

Your very limited range of options - AGW is real or it's a conspiracy - seems to suggest a very narrow-minded approach.

If AGW were not real there would be some actual evidence supporting this. There isn't.

Instead - we have a theory which describes a very well understood mechanism which causes the planet to warm, and overwhelming empirical data supporting it. And zero alternate theories for the observed warming.

So yes. It is a very limited range of options.. You can accept the science and the data. Or you can deny it all and bang on with silly conspiracy theories.

ARe there any other alternatives?

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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 21667 Gender:	Re: Climate Heat Record While Abbott Fiddles Reply #42 - Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 5:23pm rabbitoh08 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 5:19pm: ARe there any other alternatives? According to Trenberth and others - El Ninos.
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Re: Climate Heat Record While Abbott Fiddles
Reply #43 - Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 5:26pm

PZ547 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 3:44pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 3:37pm:

Well PZ, before the Greens would even look at campaigning against chemtrails, someone would have to prove that such a thing really exists. Which has not (and cannot) happen.

CHEMTRAILZ OHMAGERD!!! CHEMTRAiLZ

The left proving they are complete nut jobs, one idiot conspiracy theory at a time Cheesy

You fellow travellers must be very proud to have you n their side, I bet. Wink

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Re: Climate Heat Record While Abbott Fiddles
Reply #44 - Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 5:26pm

PZ547 wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 4:24pm:

.

Quote:

Nov 15, 2013

Australia Determined To Forcibly Vaccinate By Intentional and Controlled Release of Aerosolized GMO Vaccine

Quote:

The Office of the Gene Technology Regulator (OGTR) is on its way to approve a licence application from PaxVax Australia (PaxVax) for the intentional release of a GMO vaccine consisting of live bacteria into the environment in Queensland, South Australia, Western Australia and Victoria

http://preventdisease.com/news/13/111513_Australia-Determined-To-Forcibly-Vaccinate-By-Intentional-and-Controlled-Release-Aerosolized-GMO-Vaccine.shtml

I'm guessing it means this article???:
"United States-based vaccine company PaxVax is running a trial of the oral vaccine, and has applied to the Federal Government to run part of the trial in Queensland, South Australia, Victoria and Western Australia.

PaxVax says the single-dose vaccine has been genetically-modified to remove the part of the cholera bacteria that makes people sick."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-23/us-company-applies-to-test-gm-cholera-vacc...

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