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Reply #45 - May 26^th, 2014 at 5:39pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 5:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 2:26pm:

Kytro wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 2:10pm:

i'm not really sure what you are trying to get at by saying 100 years isn't much time.

I can't make it any clearer.

It's relatively insignificant.

One cannot come to an accurate conclusion about the Earth's climate based on only one or two hundred years of official records.

To suggest otherwise is just naive foolishness.

One can come to an accurate conclusion about the Earth's climate during the period of time that humans have populated it with significant infrastructure based on only one or two hundred years of official records Greggery.

This is what we are discussing Greggery. This is the issue.

One can not accurately conclude that it is unusual, or even significant.

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Reply #47 - May 26^th, 2014 at 6:00pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 5:18pm:

Well if the first point is NOT a 'a fact', how can you say that this :

Things that are facts are things like the amount OF C02 released, the temperature recorded at different times, the reduction of energy at C02 absorption wavelengths.

Is a fact??? Either the THEORY of AGW is a 'theory' or it's NOT a 'theory'....pick ONE!!

A theory, in scientific terms is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method, and repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation.

So basically AGW is a theory, based on factual observations, such C02 release, temperature records etc...

The facts are the basis for the theory, but like all scientific theories it isn't a fact itself.

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Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #48 - May 26^th, 2014 at 6:32pm

Kytro wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 5:18pm:

Well if the first point is NOT a 'a fact', how can you say that this :

Things that are facts are things like the amount OF C02 released, the temperature recorded at different times, the reduction of energy at C02 absorption wavelengths.

Is a fact??? Either the THEORY of AGW is a 'theory' or it's NOT a 'theory'....pick ONE!!

A theory, in scientific terms is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method, and repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation.

So basically AGW is a theory, based on factual observations, such C02 release, temperature records etc...

The facts are the basis for the theory, but like all scientific theories it isn't a fact itself.

Yes, I know that..however, a 'theory' that isn't allowed to be falsifiable is not actually a valid theory, and since no one is actually permitted to challenged the idea of AWG, it's not in fact a scientific theory.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156093 Gender:	Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud Reply #49 - May 26^th, 2014 at 6:42pm gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 6:32pm: ... and since no one is actually permitted to challenged the idea of AWG ... Punishable by death of a thousand insults on internet forums. You don't mess with religion
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Reply #50 - May 26^th, 2014 at 6:56pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 6:32pm:

Kytro wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 5:18pm:

Well if the first point is NOT a 'a fact', how can you say that this :

Things that are facts are things like the amount OF C02 released, the temperature recorded at different times, the reduction of energy at C02 absorption wavelengths.

Is a fact??? Either the THEORY of AGW is a 'theory' or it's NOT a 'theory'....pick ONE!!

A theory, in scientific terms is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method, and repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation.

So basically AGW is a theory, based on factual observations, such C02 release, temperature records etc...

The facts are the basis for the theory, but like all scientific theories it isn't a fact itself.

Yes, I know that..however, a 'theory' that isn't allowed to be falsifiable is not actually a valid theory, and since no one is actually permitted to challenged the idea of AWG, it's not in fact a scientific theory.

Falsifiability is the ability to test particular claims a theory makes. Which claims do you think cannot be tested?

No-one is stopping anyone from challenging AGW.

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Reply #51 - May 26^th, 2014 at 7:06pm

Kytro wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 6:56pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 6:32pm:

Kytro wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 5:18pm:

Well if the first point is NOT a 'a fact', how can you say that this :

Things that are facts are things like the amount OF C02 released, the temperature recorded at different times, the reduction of energy at C02 absorption wavelengths.

Is a fact??? Either the THEORY of AGW is a 'theory' or it's NOT a 'theory'....pick ONE!!

A theory, in scientific terms is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method, and repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation.

So basically AGW is a theory, based on factual observations, such C02 release, temperature records etc...

The facts are the basis for the theory, but like all scientific theories it isn't a fact itself.

Yes, I know that..however, a 'theory' that isn't allowed to be falsifiable is not actually a valid theory, and since no one is actually permitted to challenged the idea of AWG, it's not in fact a scientific theory.

Falsifiability is the ability to test particular claims a theory makes. Which claims do you think cannot be tested?

No-one is stopping anyone from challenging AGW.

That Co2 is the driver behind Anthropogenic Climate Change. Most the papers that make this claim aren't published..because they disagree with the 'correct' theory.

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud Reply #52 - May 26^th, 2014 at 7:17pm Fact. Agw is a theory and not a proven or even a good one. It cant and does not stand on its own feet
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Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #53 - May 26^th, 2014 at 7:20pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 5:43pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 5:08pm:

And it is a fact that humans changed the climate of the planet in just 100 years.

No, it is not a "fact".

To suggest such a thing demonstrates an unusually high level of ignorance.

Sorry.

its like saying god is fact

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Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #54 - May 26^th, 2014 at 7:25pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 7:06pm:

That Co2 is the driver behind Anthropogenic Climate Change. Most the papers that make this claim aren't published..because they disagree with the 'correct' theory.

I find this to be a little incredulous. You are making a claim that papers are not published because they disagree, but the evidence for this can't be that the papers are not published because many papers are not published because they either flawed or don't meet the journal criteria.

Scientists have measured the influence of CO2 on both incoming solar energy and outgoing long-wave radiation. Less longwave radiation is escaping to space at the specific wavelengths of greenhouse gases. Increased longwave radiation is measured at the surface of the Earth at the same wavelengths. This is how they are testing (part of) the theory. If this wasn't occurring then you could say that was evidence the theory wasn't correct.

Simply because a scientist complains to the media about not being published isn't strong evidence they are being suppressed.

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Kytro Gold Member Offline Blasphemy: a victimless crime Posts: 3409 Adelaide Gender:	Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud Reply #55 - May 26^th, 2014 at 7:26pm progressiveslol wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 7:17pm: Fact. Agw is a theory and not a proven or even a good one. It cant and does not stand on its own feet You say without any providing anything other than a statement. Compelling stuff.
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Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #56 - May 26^th, 2014 at 7:37pm

Kytro wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 5:18pm:

Well if the first point is NOT a 'a fact', how can you say that this :

Things that are facts are things like the amount OF C02 released, the temperature recorded at different times, the reduction of energy at C02 absorption wavelengths.

Is a fact??? Either the THEORY of AGW is a 'theory' or it's NOT a 'theory'....pick ONE!!

A theory, in scientific terms is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method, and repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation.

So basically AGW is a theory, based on factual observations, such C02 release, temperature records etc...

The facts are the basis for the theory, but like all scientific theories it isn't a fact itself.

Well, it's good to dot your is and cross your ts once in awhile I suppose: nothing like a good troll to keep one on his or her toes Wink

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Reply #57 - May 27^th, 2014 at 12:30am

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 6:32pm:

Kytro wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 5:18pm:

Well if the first point is NOT a 'a fact', how can you say that this :

Things that are facts are things like the amount OF C02 released, the temperature recorded at different times, the reduction of energy at C02 absorption wavelengths.

Is a fact??? Either the THEORY of AGW is a 'theory' or it's NOT a 'theory'....pick ONE!!

A theory, in scientific terms is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method, and repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation.

So basically AGW is a theory, based on factual observations, such C02 release, temperature records etc...

The facts are the basis for the theory, but like all scientific theories it isn't a fact itself.

Yes, I know that..however, a 'theory' that isn't allowed to be falsifiable is not actually a valid theory, and since no one is actually permitted to challenged the idea of AWG, it's not in fact a scientific theory.

Who is not permitted to challenge the idea of AWG?!?!

Your tin-foil hat is showing

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Reply #58 - May 27^th, 2014 at 12:32am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 5:39pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 5:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 2:26pm:

Kytro wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 2:10pm:

i'm not really sure what you are trying to get at by saying 100 years isn't much time.

I can't make it any clearer.

It's relatively insignificant.

One cannot come to an accurate conclusion about the Earth's climate based on only one or two hundred years of official records.

To suggest otherwise is just naive foolishness.

One can come to an accurate conclusion about the Earth's climate during the period of time that humans have populated it with significant infrastructure based on only one or two hundred years of official records Greggery.

This is what we are discussing Greggery. This is the issue.

One can not accurately conclude that it is unusual, or even significant.

No Greggery.

An anomaly well beyond the observed data is unusual, and even significant.

The planet is warming.

To deny that is sily

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Reply #59 - May 27^th, 2014 at 12:37am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 5:43pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 5:08pm:

And it is a fact that humans changed the climate of the planet in just 100 years.

No, it is not a "fact".

To suggest such a thing demonstrates an unusually high level of ignorance.

Sorry.

Come on Greggery - you are the last person to be accusing anyone of an "unusually high level of ignorance"!!

The planet is warming Greggery.
The evidence is beyond doubt.

The arctic is shrinking Greggery. This is a fact
The oceans are warming Greggery. This is a fact
Global glacial mass balance is decreasing Greggery. This is a fact.
The oceans are warming Greggery. The oceans are warming Greggery. This is a fact
Downward radiation of thermal energy is increasing Greggery. The oceans are warming Greggery. This is a fact.
Outgoing thermal energy is decreasing in the same spectra absorbed by CO2 Greggery. This is a fact.
Atmospheric CO2 is in creasing Greggery. This is a fact.

AGW is a fact Greggery.

To deny this is just silly.

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