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Reply #30 - May 26^th, 2014 at 1:39pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 1:25pm:

Kytro wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 1:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 12:55pm:

White flag accepted.

Your "record" is as insignificant as one grain of sand on a beach.

"on record" Grin

Over the past 5,000 years the Earth underwent an overall cooling of around 0.5C
In just the last 100 years - since the start of the industrial age - it has warmed by the same amount.

Yep, exactly the point. 100 years is a millisecond in terms of the Earth's age

Bingo!

It's totally irrelevant.

The time period they're talking about is like a drop in the ocean.

100 years is quite a long time in a human's life. No argument there.

However, it is infinitesimal when it comes to the history of the planet and changes in climate over that period.

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Reply #31 - May 26^th, 2014 at 2:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 1:39pm:

Bingo!

It's totally irrelevant.

The time period they're talking about is like a drop in the ocean.

100 years is quite a long time in a human's life. No argument there.

However, it is infinitesimal when it comes to the history of the planet and changes in climate over that period.

The fact that humans changed the climate of the planet in just 100 years is in fact the point. Yes it's a drop in the ocean in terms of existence of the planet, but then so is all of human existence.

The earth may have seem some pretty warm times in the past, but we have not. The conditions that existed in the past were also due to different conditions in the past.

Current warming is recent and linked to human activity. i'm not really sure what you are trying to get at by saying 100 years isn't much time.

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Reply #32 - May 26^th, 2014 at 2:13pm

Kytro wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 2:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 1:39pm:

Bingo!

It's totally irrelevant.

The time period they're talking about is like a drop in the ocean.

100 years is quite a long time in a human's life. No argument there.

However, it is infinitesimal when it comes to the history of the planet and changes in climate over that period.

The fact that humans changed the climate of the planet in just 100 years is in fact the point.

It's not a fact.

That's the point.

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Reply #33 - May 26^th, 2014 at 2:26pm

Kytro wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 2:10pm:

i'm not really sure what you are trying to get at by saying 100 years isn't much time.

I can't make it any clearer.

It's relatively insignificant.

One cannot come to an accurate conclusion about the Earth's climate based on only one or two hundred years of official records.

To suggest otherwise is just naive foolishness.

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Reply #34 - May 26^th, 2014 at 2:39pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 11:55am:

Hottest May on record in Sydney, and what does our LNP leaders do...

Halt all climate change research, and increase number of chaplins in schools.

"Prayer" seems to be the only answer.

hottest homoginized BS temps ever, until we homoginise some more

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Reply #35 - May 26^th, 2014 at 3:01pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 12:55pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 12:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 12:49pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 11:55am:

Hottest May on record in Sydney ...

a) when did the "record" start?

At the begining of course

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b) how old is the Earth?

A little over 4000 years according to most deniers.

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c) ???

Good question

White flag accepted.

Your "record" is as insignificant as one grain of sand on a beach.

"on record" Grin

Not at all. Our agricultural base, and our infrastructure are all based around the "record".

You cant underestimate the significant cost and upheaval of any movement away from the record.

Farmers who turn on a tap do not really care what the world was like 10,000 years ago. They plan, and want the world to be like it was 10, 20, 50 years ago.

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Reply #37 - May 26^th, 2014 at 4:09pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 2:26pm:

Kytro wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 2:10pm:

i'm not really sure what you are trying to get at by saying 100 years isn't much time.

I can't make it any clearer.

It's relatively insignificant.

One cannot come to an accurate conclusion about the Earth's climate based on only one or two hundred years of official records.

To suggest otherwise is just naive foolishness.

That's not what is happening at all. Recent temperature records are only a part of the evidence. There are also a number of other methods used to get get direct measurements of conditions going back, much much further.

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Reply #38 - May 26^th, 2014 at 4:14pm

Kytro wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 2:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 1:39pm:

Bingo!

It's totally irrelevant.

The time period they're talking about is like a drop in the ocean.

100 years is quite a long time in a human's life. No argument there.

However, it is infinitesimal when it comes to the history of the planet and changes in climate over that period.

The fact that humans changed the climate of the planet in just 100 years is in fact the point. Yes it's a drop in the ocean in terms of existence of the planet, but then so is all of human existence.

The earth may have seem some pretty warm times in the past, but we have not. The conditions that existed in the past were also due to different conditions in the past.

Current warming is recent and linked to human activity. i'm not really sure what you are trying to get at by saying 100 years isn't much time.

No, actually it's NOT a 'fact'...it's a supposition/theory and completely UNproven.

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Reply #39 - May 26^th, 2014 at 5:04pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 4:14pm:

No, actually it's NOT a 'fact'...it's a supposition/theory and completely UNproven.

I addressed this further up, but yes it's not a fact, it's a theory supported by facts.

Like anything is science it's unproven, but it's more than mere supposition. It's strongly supported by the evidence we have to date.

Things that are facts are things like the amount OF C02 released, the temperature recorded at different times, the reduction of energy at C02 absorption wavelengths. These things are facts that support the scientific theory that the C02 humans have released is affecting the global climate.

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Reply #40 - May 26^th, 2014 at 5:08pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 2:13pm:

Kytro wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 2:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 1:39pm:

Bingo!

It's totally irrelevant.

The time period they're talking about is like a drop in the ocean.

100 years is quite a long time in a human's life. No argument there.

However, it is infinitesimal when it comes to the history of the planet and changes in climate over that period.

The fact that humans changed the climate of the planet in just 100 years is in fact the point.

It's not a fact.

That's the point.

No Greggery. You have no point.

We are discussing the impact of human induced warming on human habitations and infrastructure over recent decades. In this context, a century of weather records is very significant.

The billions of years of pre-history to this is not relevant. It's mention is merely a feeble attempt from ignorant people to try to hide the fact that they do not understand the issue.

And it is a fact that humans changed the climate of the planet in just 100 years. To deny this is just silly.

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Reply #41 - May 26^th, 2014 at 5:10pm

Kytro wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 5:04pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 4:14pm:

No, actually it's NOT a 'fact'...it's a supposition/theory and completely UNproven.

I addressed this further up, but yes it's not a fact, it's a theory supported by facts.

Like anything is science it's unproven, but it's more than mere supposition. It's strongly supported by the evidence we have to date.

Things that are facts are things like the amount OF C02 released, the temperature recorded at different times, the reduction of energy at C02 absorption wavelengths. These things are facts that support the scientific theory that the C02 humans have released is affecting the global climate.

This has all been explained to Greggery a hundred times before. He is a bit clueless unfortunately.

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Reply #42 - May 26^th, 2014 at 5:13pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 2:26pm:

Kytro wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 2:10pm:

i'm not really sure what you are trying to get at by saying 100 years isn't much time.

I can't make it any clearer.

It's relatively insignificant.

One cannot come to an accurate conclusion about the Earth's climate based on only one or two hundred years of official records.

To suggest otherwise is just naive foolishness.

One can come to an accurate conclusion about the Earth's climate during the period of time that humans have populated it with significant infrastructure based on only one or two hundred years of official records Greggery.

This is what we are discussing Greggery. This is the issue.

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Reply #43 - May 26^th, 2014 at 5:18pm

Kytro wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 5:04pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 4:14pm:

No, actually it's NOT a 'fact'...it's a supposition/theory and completely UNproven.

I addressed this further up, but yes it's not a fact, it's a theory supported by facts.

Like anything is science it's unproven, but it's more than mere supposition. It's strongly supported by the evidence we have to date.

Things that are facts are things like the amount OF C02 released, the temperature recorded at different times, the reduction of energy at C02 absorption wavelengths. These things are facts that support the scientific theory that the C02 humans have released is affecting the global climate.

Well if the first point is NOT a 'a fact', how can you say that this :

Things that are facts are things like the amount OF C02 released, the temperature recorded at different times, the reduction of energy at C02 absorption wavelengths.

Is a fact??? Either the THEORY of AGW is a 'theory' or it's NOT a 'theory'....pick ONE!!

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Reply #44 - May 26^th, 2014 at 5:25pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 5:18pm:

Kytro wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 5:04pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 4:14pm:

No, actually it's NOT a 'fact'...it's a supposition/theory and completely UNproven.

I addressed this further up, but yes it's not a fact, it's a theory supported by facts.

Like anything is science it's unproven, but it's more than mere supposition. It's strongly supported by the evidence we have to date.

Things that are facts are things like the amount OF C02 released, the temperature recorded at different times, the reduction of energy at C02 absorption wavelengths. These things are facts that support the scientific theory that the C02 humans have released is affecting the global climate.

Well if the first point is NOT a 'a fact', how can you say that this :

Things that are facts are things like the amount OF C02 released, the temperature recorded at different times, the reduction of energy at C02 absorption wavelengths.

Is a fact??? Either the THEORY of AGW is a 'theory' or it's NOT a 'theory'....pick ONE!!

What didn't you understand about Kytro's explanation?

It is a fact that we can measure the amount OF C02 released
It is a fact that it is increasing
It is a fact that we can measure the temperature recorded at different times
It is a fact that it is increasing
It is a fact that we can measure the reduction of energy at C02 absorption wavelengths
It is a fact the outgoing energy at C02 absorption wavelengths is decreasing.

These are facts.

And all of these facts, along with countless others support the theory that anthropogenic emissions are warming the planet.

What is missing - are any facts that indicate that anthropogenic emissions are not warming the planet.

This is why the theory is held to be a sound theory, and has become more and more sound in the century or so since it was first postulated.

In laymans terms - AGW is a fact.
It is about time you started to accept it.

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