Australian Politics Forum - Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud

BatteriesNotIncluded

Gold Member

Offline

MediocrityNET: because
people died for this!

Posts: 26966

Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #135 - May 28^th, 2014 at 11:39am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:36am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:09am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

Kytro wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 3:06am:

In other words, the IPCC as you just did, has money on every horse in the race.

Do you even realise that people can see what you just did lol

That is what they are supposed do. Come up with a range of possible projections based on the conditions, but all the projections show some rise in temperature.

And the disagreement is over the CAUSE of the rise.

According to the cult members, there is no disagreement.

Global warming is caused by humans, and that's an "undeniable scientific fact".

Take a sip, and you'll see things much clearer:

http://m.c.lnkd.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/p/8/005/046/3a7/1e7872d.jpg

Just because a troll says there is a disagreement doesn't mean there is

There is no disagreement.

Global warming is caused by humans, and that's an "undeniable scientific fact".

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RbzhTvNpE0Q/UoHH41bbyLI/AAAAAAAACO8/YlkcXR6D_pU/s400/i...

--> greg pretends nomenclature isn't important yet he professes to know how professions work Wink

Back to top

*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

IP Logged

lee

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 21603
Gender: male

Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #136 - May 28^th, 2014 at 11:44am

Sorry , who is Bolt? I seem to remember a children's show with Bolt in it. Ah, I've found it - an Eastern States type.

Sorry he doesn't have a voice in the South of WA.

Some people seem to think that a level of confidence below their (IPCC) benchmark 5-95% is somehow a vote of confidence- convince me.

Nobody responded to the leap of faith between the Physics, which is the science, and the ECS, which is the shamanism.

The world has been warming for very many years, long before a postulated affect by CO2. If the 'pause' or cessation in global warming trend is attributed to natural variation, as it is, why cannot the increase in trend that was attributed to CO2, not be attributed to natural variation? Especially in a world of increased CO2 emissions.

Logic should tell us if the CO2 emissions are the cause, the increased emissions should have increased the trend.

Back to top

IP Logged

greggerypeccary

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 156094
Gender: male

Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #137 - May 28^th, 2014 at 11:45am

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:39am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:36am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:09am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

Kytro wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 3:06am:

In other words, the IPCC as you just did, has money on every horse in the race.

Do you even realise that people can see what you just did lol

That is what they are supposed do. Come up with a range of possible projections based on the conditions, but all the projections show some rise in temperature.

And the disagreement is over the CAUSE of the rise.

According to the cult members, there is no disagreement.

Global warming is caused by humans, and that's an "undeniable scientific fact".

Take a sip, and you'll see things much clearer:

http://m.c.lnkd.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/p/8/005/046/3a7/1e7872d.jpg

Just because a troll says there is a disagreement doesn't mean there is

There is no disagreement.

Global warming is caused by humans, and that's an "undeniable scientific fact".

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RbzhTvNpE0Q/UoHH41bbyLI/AAAAAAAACO8/YlkcXR6D_pU/s400/i...

--> greg pretends nomenclature isn't important yet he professes to know how professions work Wink

Back to top

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles

IP Logged

BatteriesNotIncluded

Gold Member

Offline

MediocrityNET: because
people died for this!

Posts: 26966

Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #138 - May 28^th, 2014 at 11:52am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:39am:

--> greg pretends nomenclature isn't important yet he professes to know how professions work Wink

http://djphillipfromgalt.hot1035radio.com/images/2013/10/notodrugs-WWF-Hot-Rod-R...

Greggy can't take the heat: a silly word game is all greggy has Cheesy

Hey, let's spend 12 milion pages of internet address space discussing the word 'consensus'... yeh good one... that'll be 500 bucks an hour thanks Roll Eyes

go legalese Grin

Back to top

*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

IP Logged

BatteriesNotIncluded

Gold Member

Offline

MediocrityNET: because
people died for this!

Posts: 26966

Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #139 - May 28^th, 2014 at 11:54am

lee wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:44am:

Sorry , who is Bolt? I seem to remember a children's show with Bolt in it. Ah, I've found it - an Eastern States type.

Sorry he doesn't have a voice in the South of WA.

Some people seem to think that a level of confidence below their (IPCC) benchmark 5-95% is somehow a vote of confidence- convince me.

Nobody responded to the leap of faith between the Physics, which is the science, and the ECS, which is the shamanism.

The world has been warming for very many years, long before a postulated affect by CO2. If the 'pause' or cessation in global warming trend is attributed to natural variation, as it is, why cannot the increase in trend that was attributed to CO2, not be attributed to natural variation? Especially in a world of increased CO2 emissions.

Logic should tell us if the CO2 emissions are the cause, the increased emissions should have increased the trend.

Logic ay

Back to top

*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

IP Logged

greggerypeccary

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 156094
Gender: male

Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #140 - May 28^th, 2014 at 11:55am

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:52am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:39am:

--> greg pretends nomenclature isn't important yet he professes to know how professions work Wink

http://djphillipfromgalt.hot1035radio.com/images/2013/10/notodrugs-WWF-Hot-Rod-R...

Greggy can't take the heat: a silly word game is all greggy has Cheesy

Hey, let's spend 12 milion pages of internet address space discussing the word 'consensus'... yeh good one... that'll be 500 bucks an hour thanks Roll Eyes

go legalese Grin

No word games, DRAH: just "facts".

Take another sip.

Back to top

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles

IP Logged

BatteriesNotIncluded

Gold Member

Offline

MediocrityNET: because
people died for this!

Posts: 26966

Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #141 - May 28^th, 2014 at 11:59am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:55am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:52am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:39am:

--> greg pretends nomenclature isn't important yet he professes to know how professions work Wink

http://djphillipfromgalt.hot1035radio.com/images/2013/10/notodrugs-WWF-Hot-Rod-R...

Greggy can't take the heat: a silly word game is all greggy has Cheesy

Hey, let's spend 12 milion pages of internet address space discussing the word 'consensus'... yeh good one... that'll be 500 bucks an hour thanks Roll Eyes

go legalese Grin

No word games, DRAH: just "facts".

Take another sip.

black = white facts yehhhhhhhhhhhhh we all know how you guys work the hours up Grin

Back to top

*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

IP Logged

gizmo_2655

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 16010
South West NSW
Gender: male

Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #142 - May 28^th, 2014 at 12:07pm

Kytro wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:30am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:01am:

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:59am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

Kytro wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 3:06am:

In other words, the IPCC as you just did, has money on every horse in the race.

Do you even realise that people can see what you just did lol

That is what they are supposed do. Come up with a range of possible projections based on the conditions, but all the projections show some rise in temperature.

And the disagreement is over the CAUSE of the rise. Repeating that temperatures have risen is pretty pointless since most skeptics already know that.

So...what is the alternate explanation for the cause of the rise?

And how does this alternate explanation negate the fact that anthropogenic emissions are re-emitting increasing thermal energy to the earth's surface?

Natural action.

Seriously, considering that this is a brand new and unique situation, certainty is the last thing science should be feeling.

While natural actions do influence temperature, they know how much Co2 is being released by human activity as well as temperature measurements both on the ground and in the atmosphere. They can see as co2 level rises that less energy escapes at the corresponding wavelengths. This is pretty good evidence that co2 levels which people are responsible for are having a warming effect.

And there is evidence that Co2 increase is a by-product of temperature increase, and not the other way around.

Back to top

"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
Bobbythebat

IP Logged

greggerypeccary

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 156094
Gender: male

Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #143 - May 28^th, 2014 at 12:16pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:52am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:39am:

--> greg pretends nomenclature isn't important yet he professes to know how professions work Wink

http://djphillipfromgalt.hot1035radio.com/images/2013/10/notodrugs-WWF-Hot-Rod-R...

Greggy can't take the heat: a silly word game is all greggy has Cheesy

Hey, let's spend 12 milion pages of internet address space discussing the word 'consensus'... yeh good one... that'll be 500 bucks an hour thanks Roll Eyes

go legalese Grin

So, is there a consensus or not?

Have you changed your mind?

Not such a good argument after all?

Looking for another angle?

Science hasn't worked.

Consensus hasn't worked.

Graphs and models haven't worked.

Ice cores and tree rings haven't worked.

What next, DRAH?

Back to top

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles

IP Logged

BatteriesNotIncluded

Gold Member

Offline

MediocrityNET: because
people died for this!

Posts: 26966

Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #144 - May 28^th, 2014 at 12:24pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 12:07pm:

Kytro wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:30am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:01am:

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:59am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

Kytro wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 3:06am:

In other words, the IPCC as you just did, has money on every horse in the race.

Do you even realise that people can see what you just did lol

That is what they are supposed do. Come up with a range of possible projections based on the conditions, but all the projections show some rise in temperature.

And the disagreement is over the CAUSE of the rise. Repeating that temperatures have risen is pretty pointless since most skeptics already know that.

So...what is the alternate explanation for the cause of the rise?

And how does this alternate explanation negate the fact that anthropogenic emissions are re-emitting increasing thermal energy to the earth's surface?

Natural action.

Seriously, considering that this is a brand new and unique situation, certainty is the last thing science should be feeling.

While natural actions do influence temperature, they know how much Co2 is being released by human activity as well as temperature measurements both on the ground and in the atmosphere. They can see as co2 level rises that less energy escapes at the corresponding wavelengths. This is pretty good evidence that co2 levels which people are responsible for are having a warming effect.

And there is evidence that Co2 increase is a by-product of temperature increase, and not the other way around.

It comes out of solution with rising temperature yes: gimpmo did year 11 chemistry coooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooliosis Roll Eyes

Back to top

*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

IP Logged

BatteriesNotIncluded

Gold Member

Offline

MediocrityNET: because
people died for this!

Posts: 26966

Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #145 - May 28^th, 2014 at 12:26pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 12:16pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:52am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:39am:

--> greg pretends nomenclature isn't important yet he professes to know how professions work Wink

http://djphillipfromgalt.hot1035radio.com/images/2013/10/notodrugs-WWF-Hot-Rod-R...

Greggy can't take the heat: a silly word game is all greggy has Cheesy

Hey, let's spend 12 milion pages of internet address space discussing the word 'consensus'... yeh good one... that'll be 500 bucks an hour thanks Roll Eyes

go legalese Grin

So, is there a consensus or not?

Have you changed your mind?

Not such a good argument after all?

Looking for another angle?

Science hasn't worked.

Consensus hasn't worked.

Graphs and models haven't worked.

Ice cores and tree rings haven't worked.

What next, DRAH?

oooooooooooh, i'm under the pump now: grill baby grill Grin

--> 500 bucks an hour for that shite, seriously Grin

Back to top

*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

IP Logged

Kytro

Gold Member

Offline

Blasphemy: a victimless
crime

Posts: 3409
Adelaide
Gender: male

Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #146 - May 28^th, 2014 at 12:26pm

lee wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:44am:

The world has been warming for very many years, long before a postulated affect by CO2. If the 'pause' or cessation in global warming trend is attributed to natural variation, as it is, why cannot the increase in trend that was attributed to CO2, not be attributed to natural variation? Especially in a world of increased CO2 emissions.

Logic should tell us if the CO2 emissions are the cause, the increased emissions should have increased the trend.

It's not that the increase can't be natural, it's that evidence strongly suggests that it is not. It is possible that we have completely missed something, but no good reason to assume it is the case.

Back to top

IP Logged

gizmo_2655

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 16010
South West NSW
Gender: male

Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #147 - May 28^th, 2014 at 12:29pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 12:24pm: