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Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #120 - May 28^th, 2014 at 3:06am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 6:33pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 6:22pm:

There is nothing political about AGW. It is happening.

Warning signs that someone you know may have been recruited into a Cult can include:

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Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #121 - May 28^th, 2014 at 3:13am

progressiveslol wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 3:06am:

Kytro wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 10:56pm:

lee wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 6:27pm:

Kytro wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 3:50pm:

The IPCC seems fairly confident in the models,

'The likely ranges for 2046−2065 do not take into account the possible influence of factors that lead to the assessed range for near-term (2016−2035) global mean surface temperature change that is lower than the 5−95% model range, because the influence of these factors on longer term projections has not been quantified due to insufficient scientific understanding. {11.3}'

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg1/docs/WGIAR5_SPM_brochure_en.pdf

So the level of certainty is lower than the 5%-95% model range. that is why they had an expert panel assessment. Less than 5% confidence? Doesn't sound good to me.

The observations have thus far been falling within the projected range. Climate models don't really make predictions so much as they do projections, which are under these conditions, this is what will happen. They make many runs and basically average them, but in reality the climate is much more likely to follow a specific run rather than the average.

The 5-95 percent range covers different possible outcomes, with some being much more likely than others, it does not mean there is less than 5% certainty that AGW is occurring. It means there is less than 5% certainty for specific outcomes.

This goes into more detail about the accuracy of projections.

In other words, the IPCC as you just did, has money on every horse in the race.

Do you even realise that people can see what you just did lol

you could say that, indeed ... Shocked

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Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #122 - May 28^th, 2014 at 9:01am

Kytro wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 10:38pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 6:05pm:

I haven't actually seen any believers in gravitational theory who want to bring massive societal and economic changes, because they think gravity is being changed by human action..

Herein lies the rub. The veracity of evidence in favour of a theory isn't affected by the possible impact of responses.

This is why there is so much opposition to the idea, not because it's flawed.

Very well put Kytro.

I wonder if a moon sized meteor was on collision course with the earth (due to gravity) in 50 years time how these skeptics of science would react ?

Would they shoot the messenger, cheery pick the flight paths, and prove it was a hoax and the meteor was going to miss by 1000's of miles.

Or would they say, that in the earths history, many meteors have hit earth, so this is nothing unusual.

Or would they dismiss it, as gods will.

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Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #123 - May 28^th, 2014 at 9:43am

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 9:01am:

Kytro wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 10:38pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 6:05pm:

I haven't actually seen any believers in gravitational theory who want to bring massive societal and economic changes, because they think gravity is being changed by human action..

Herein lies the rub. The veracity of evidence in favour of a theory isn't affected by the possible impact of responses.

This is why there is so much opposition to the idea, not because it's flawed.

Very well put Kytro.

I wonder if a moon sized meteor was on collision course with the earth (due to gravity) in 50 years time how these skeptics of science would react ?

Would they shoot the messenger, cheery pick the flight paths, and prove it was a hoax and the meteor was going to miss by 1000's of miles.

Or would they say, that in the earths history, many meteors have hit earth, so this is nothing unusual.

Or would they dismiss it, as gods will.

Im pretty sure we could say that "we were forced to waste so much money on a fraud AGW pseudo science, that we neglected to spend on research for human kinds biggest problem"

AGW is a fraud. An homogenised temperature fraud.

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Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #124 - May 28^th, 2014 at 9:45am

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 10:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 6:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 6:06pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 6:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 6:03pm:

What happened to "The Theory of Gravity"?

You changed that post awfully quick Wink

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Yes - it was badly worded. Now - can you answer the question?

Do you call people who accept the scientific evidence supporting gravitational theory "cult members" Greggery?

If not. Why not?

Yes.

No.

They don't behave like cult members.

How does a "cult member" behave Greggery?

Cults have impressive Websites designed to reassure doubters.
Cults seek Political approval with lobbying and Party and Campaign donations.
Cults attend Government hosted conferences to appear respectable.
Famous individuals are often targeted for Cult recruitment to give the group an air of glamour and excitement.

http://www.cultavoidancesociety.org/Cult--7.html

Are cults supported by decades of scientific evidence Greggery?

Why do you deny the existence of scientific evidence?

I don't deny the existence of scientific evidence.

You must have mistaken me for somebody else (or mistaken 'evidence' for 'undeniable fact').

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Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #125 - May 28^th, 2014 at 10:23am

progressiveslol wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 3:06am:

In other words, the IPCC as you just did, has money on every horse in the race.

Do you even realise that people can see what you just did lol

That is what they are supposed do. Come up with a range of possible projections based on the conditions, but all the projections show some rise in temperature.

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Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #126 - May 28^th, 2014 at 10:46am

Kytro wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 3:06am:

In other words, the IPCC as you just did, has money on every horse in the race.

Do you even realise that people can see what you just did lol

That is what they are supposed do. Come up with a range of possible projections based on the conditions, but all the projections show some rise in temperature.

And the disagreement is over the CAUSE of the rise. Repeating that temperatures have risen is pretty pointless since most skeptics already know that.

"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #127 - May 28^th, 2014 at 10:53am

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

Kytro wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 3:06am:

In other words, the IPCC as you just did, has money on every horse in the race.

Do you even realise that people can see what you just did lol

That is what they are supposed do. Come up with a range of possible projections based on the conditions, but all the projections show some rise in temperature.

And the disagreement is over the CAUSE of the rise. Repeating that temperatures have risen is pretty pointless since most skeptics already know that.

well well well...

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Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #128 - May 28^th, 2014 at 10:59am

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

Kytro wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 3:06am:

In other words, the IPCC as you just did, has money on every horse in the race.

Do you even realise that people can see what you just did lol

That is what they are supposed do. Come up with a range of possible projections based on the conditions, but all the projections show some rise in temperature.

And the disagreement is over the CAUSE of the rise. Repeating that temperatures have risen is pretty pointless since most skeptics already know that.

So...what is the alternate explanation for the cause of the rise?

And how does this alternate explanation negate the fact that anthropogenic emissions are re-emitting increasing thermal energy to the earth's surface?

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Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #129 - May 28^th, 2014 at 11:01am

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:59am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

Kytro wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 3:06am:

In other words, the IPCC as you just did, has money on every horse in the race.

Do you even realise that people can see what you just did lol

That is what they are supposed do. Come up with a range of possible projections based on the conditions, but all the projections show some rise in temperature.

And the disagreement is over the CAUSE of the rise. Repeating that temperatures have risen is pretty pointless since most skeptics already know that.

So...what is the alternate explanation for the cause of the rise?

And how does this alternate explanation negate the fact that anthropogenic emissions are re-emitting increasing thermal energy to the earth's surface?

Natural action.

Seriously, considering that this is a brand new and unique situation, certainty is the last thing science should be feeling.

"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #130 - May 28^th, 2014 at 11:09am

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

Kytro wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 3:06am:

In other words, the IPCC as you just did, has money on every horse in the race.

Do you even realise that people can see what you just did lol

That is what they are supposed do. Come up with a range of possible projections based on the conditions, but all the projections show some rise in temperature.

And the disagreement is over the CAUSE of the rise.

According to the cult members, there is no disagreement.

Global warming is caused by humans, and that's an "undeniable scientific fact".

Take a sip, and you'll see things much clearer:

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Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #131 - May 28^th, 2014 at 11:15am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:09am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

Kytro wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 3:06am:

In other words, the IPCC as you just did, has money on every horse in the race.

Do you even realise that people can see what you just did lol

That is what they are supposed do. Come up with a range of possible projections based on the conditions, but all the projections show some rise in temperature.

And the disagreement is over the CAUSE of the rise.

According to the cult members, there is no disagreement.

Global warming is caused by humans, and that's an "undeniable scientific fact".

Take a sip, and you'll see things much clearer:

http://m.c.lnkd.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/p/8/005/046/3a7/1e7872d.jpg

Just because a troll says there is a disagreement doesn't mean there is

Kiss

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Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #132 - May 28^th, 2014 at 11:30am

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:01am:

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:59am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

Kytro wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 3:06am:

In other words, the IPCC as you just did, has money on every horse in the race.

Do you even realise that people can see what you just did lol

That is what they are supposed do. Come up with a range of possible projections based on the conditions, but all the projections show some rise in temperature.

And the disagreement is over the CAUSE of the rise. Repeating that temperatures have risen is pretty pointless since most skeptics already know that.

So...what is the alternate explanation for the cause of the rise?

And how does this alternate explanation negate the fact that anthropogenic emissions are re-emitting increasing thermal energy to the earth's surface?

Natural action.

Seriously, considering that this is a brand new and unique situation, certainty is the last thing science should be feeling.

While natural actions do influence temperature, they know how much Co2 is being released by human activity as well as temperature measurements both on the ground and in the atmosphere. They can see as co2 level rises that less energy escapes at the corresponding wavelengths. This is pretty good evidence that co2 levels which people are responsible for are having a warming effect.

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Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #133 - May 28^th, 2014 at 11:35am

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:01am:

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:59am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

Kytro wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 3:06am:

In other words, the IPCC as you just did, has money on every horse in the race.

Do you even realise that people can see what you just did lol

That is what they are supposed do. Come up with a range of possible projections based on the conditions, but all the projections show some rise in temperature.

And the disagreement is over the CAUSE of the rise. Repeating that temperatures have risen is pretty pointless since most skeptics already know that.

So...what is the alternate explanation for the cause of the rise?

And how does this alternate explanation negate the fact that anthropogenic emissions are re-emitting increasing thermal energy to the earth's surface?

Natural action.

Seriously, considering that this is a brand new and unique situation, certainty is the last thing science should be feeling.

Seriously, Gizmo doesn't understand the role of science and that the world infact turns...

ooooh, that might upset the status quo hey Gimpmo
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Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #134 - May 28^th, 2014 at 11:36am

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 11:09am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

Kytro wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 28^th, 2014 at 3:06am:

In other words, the IPCC as you just did, has money on every horse in the race.

Do you even realise that people can see what you just did lol

That is what they are supposed do. Come up with a range of possible projections based on the conditions, but all the projections show some rise in temperature.

And the disagreement is over the CAUSE of the rise.

According to the cult members, there is no disagreement.

Global warming is caused by humans, and that's an "undeniable scientific fact".

Take a sip, and you'll see things much clearer:

http://m.c.lnkd.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/p/8/005/046/3a7/1e7872d.jpg

Just because a troll says there is a disagreement doesn't mean there is

Kiss

There is no disagreement.

Global warming is caused by humans, and that's an "undeniable scientific fact".

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