Australian Politics Forum - Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud

Kytro

Gold Member

Offline

Blasphemy: a victimless
crime

Posts: 3409
Adelaide
Gender: male

Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #90 - May 27^th, 2014 at 3:50pm

lee wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 3:11pm:

The models are and have been for some time diverging from reality. Compare the balloon and satellite data to the models. Averaging all the models just means that they average the readings that are too hot. It doesn't and can't give you anywhere near an accurate temperature. Why do you think that the IPCC used an 'expert panel' rather than the models in AR5?

Models can be fine tuned- agreed. After that fine tuning why don't they redo the hindcasting and see if that still fits the curve. Common sense tells you that it is unlikely to do so. Twenty odd years of models and they still aren't anywhere near correct.

If they want to use models it is time to throw away the ones they are using because they don't work, and start on a new series that may work.

What do you mean "rather than"? The expert panel relies on models vis CIMP5. It's a report on the current state of climate research and the predictions made by it.

Quote:

CMIP has received model output from the pre-industrial climate simulations ("control runs") and 1% per year increasing-CO2 simulations of about 30 coupled GCMs. More recent phases of the project (20C3M, ...) include more realistic scenarios of climate forcing for both historical, paleoclimate and future scenarios.

The IPCC seems fairly confident in the models, as do the vast majority of climate scientists. I see no reason to assume the dissenters are correct in this instance, it's not as though they have presented compelling evidence that attacks the fundamentals of the science of its predictions

Back to top

IP Logged

greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156094 Gender:	Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud Reply #91 - May 27^th, 2014 at 4:04pm Kytro wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 3:50pm: The IPCC seems fairly confident in the models, as do the vast majority of climate scientists. Ah, 'consensus'. We've already had 'gravity', so I suppose it was only a matter of time before 'consensus' made an appearance.
Back to top	GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles IP Logged

Doctor Jolly Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3808	Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud Reply #92 - May 27^th, 2014 at 4:24pm greggerypeccary wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 3:46pm: Doctor Jolly wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 3:38pm: However, according to reality, the models are just fine. According to reality, the models are just that: models. 'Reality' - 'Models' 'Chalk' - 'Cheese' Stop being a dumb ass.
Back to top	IP Logged

progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud Reply #93 - May 27^th, 2014 at 4:57pm 200 year = usleless because the agw cult cant explain the pause. The models and their predictions are up the shitter
Back to top	IP Logged

greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156094 Gender:	Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud Reply #94 - May 27^th, 2014 at 5:05pm progressiveslol wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 4:57pm: The models and their predictions are up the shitter Well yes, to put it bluntly.
Back to top	GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles IP Logged

Kytro

Gold Member

Offline

Blasphemy: a victimless
crime

Posts: 3409
Adelaide
Gender: male

Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #95 - May 27^th, 2014 at 5:42pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 4:04pm:

Kytro wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 3:50pm:

The IPCC seems fairly confident in the models, as do the vast majority of climate scientists.

Ah, 'consensus'.

We've already had 'gravity', so I suppose it was only a matter of time before 'consensus' made an appearance.

Wink

As opposed to the argument these guys are right because I like what they say? Back it with credible science, instead of tired rhetoric that the truth is oppressed.

The reason there is appears to be a consensus is because of the vast amount of compelling evidence. The only controversy is political, not scientific, the dissent in climate change scientifically is no different from any other field in science. It's a part of normal practice. In most cases there is little public discourse on it, but since a bunch of short-sighted business people are worried about having less immediate profit they have created this nonsense controversy. This is no different to fake controversy over evolution.

Yes, like all science it is always possible there is an alternative explanation but ignoring overwhelming evidence and cherry picking the dissent isn't how science works. It's tin-foil hat conspiracy nonsense.

Back to top

IP Logged

greggerypeccary

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 156094
Gender: male

Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #96 - May 27^th, 2014 at 5:49pm

Kytro wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 5:42pm:

Yes, like all science it is always possible there is an alternative explanation ...

Exactly.

However, when it comes to climate change, the cult members don't agree.

There are actually members on this forum who think that AGW is "an undeniable scientific fact".

Their words, not mine.

Back to top

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles

IP Logged

rabbitoh08

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 1528
Gender: male

Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #97 - May 27^th, 2014 at 6:01pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 5:49pm:

Kytro wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 5:42pm:

Yes, like all science it is always possible there is an alternative explanation ...

Exactly.

However, when it comes to climate change, the cult members don't agree.

There are actually members on this forum who think that AGW is "an undeniable scientific fact".

Their words, not mine.

Do you call people who accept the scientific evidence supporting gravitational theory "cult members" Greggery?

If not. Why not?

Back to top

IP Logged

greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156094 Gender:	Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud Reply #98 - May 27^th, 2014 at 6:03pm What happened to "The Theory of Gravity"? You changed that post awfully quick
Back to top	GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles IP Logged

rabbitoh08

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 1528
Gender: male

Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #99 - May 27^th, 2014 at 6:04pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 6:03pm:

What happened to "The Theory of Gravity"?

You changed that post awfully quick Wink

Yes - it was badly worded. Now - can you answer the question?

Do you call people who accept the scientific evidence supporting gravitational theory (or the theory of gravity, if you prefer) "cult members" Greggery?

If not. Why not?

Back to top

IP Logged

gizmo_2655

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 16010
South West NSW
Gender: male

Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #100 - May 27^th, 2014 at 6:05pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 6:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 5:49pm:

Kytro wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 5:42pm:

Yes, like all science it is always possible there is an alternative explanation ...

Exactly.

However, when it comes to climate change, the cult members don't agree.

There are actually members on this forum who think that AGW is "an undeniable scientific fact".

Their words, not mine.

Do you call people who accept the scientific evidence supporting gravitational theory "cult members" Greggery?

If not. Why not?

I haven't actually seen any believers in gravitational theory who want to bring massive societal and economic changes, because they think gravity is being changed by human action..

Back to top

"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
Bobbythebat

IP Logged

greggerypeccary

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 156094
Gender: male

Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #101 - May 27^th, 2014 at 6:06pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 6:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 6:03pm:

What happened to "The Theory of Gravity"?

You changed that post awfully quick Wink

Yes - it was badly worded. Now - can you answer the question?

Do you call people who accept the scientific evidence supporting gravitational theory "cult members" Greggery?

If not. Why not?

Yes.

No.

They don't behave like cult members.

Back to top

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles

IP Logged

rabbitoh08

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 1528
Gender: male

Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #102 - May 27^th, 2014 at 6:10pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 6:05pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 6:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 5:49pm:

Kytro wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 5:42pm:

Yes, like all science it is always possible there is an alternative explanation ...

Exactly.

However, when it comes to climate change, the cult members don't agree.

There are actually members on this forum who think that AGW is "an undeniable scientific fact".

Their words, not mine.

Do you call people who accept the scientific evidence supporting gravitational theory "cult members" Greggery?

If not. Why not?

I haven't actually seen any believers in gravitational theory who want to bring massive societal and economic changes, because they think gravity is being changed by human action..

So...you accept or reject science arbitrarily, based on your own personal prejudices?

Did you learn that from Andrew Bolt?

Back to top

IP Logged

greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156094 Gender:	Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud Reply #103 - May 27^th, 2014 at 6:11pm "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."
Back to top	GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles IP Logged

rabbitoh08

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 1528
Gender: male

Re: Pseudo climate science gatekeeping reveals fraud
Reply #104 - May 27^th, 2014 at 6:12pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 6:06pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 6:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 6:03pm:

What happened to "The Theory of Gravity"?

You changed that post awfully quick Wink

Yes - it was badly worded. Now - can you answer the question?

Do you call people who accept the scientific evidence supporting gravitational theory "cult members" Greggery?

If not. Why not?

Yes.

No.

They don't behave like cult members.

How does a "cult member" behave Greggery?

Is accepting and understand scientific evidence being a "cult member"?

I would have thought mindlessly parroting Andrew Bolt as you do would be a better example of "cult member" behaviour - don't you think?

Back to top

IP Logged