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Re: Why the political left wont confront islam ?
Reply #90 - Jun 8^th, 2014 at 9:23pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 8^th, 2014 at 8:59pm:

Mattywisk wrote on Jun 7^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 7^th, 2014 at 12:14pm:

Mattywisk wrote on Jun 6^th, 2014 at 10:41pm:

Separation from church and state yadda yadda and where exactly does the bible say that little chestnut, its been a non christian rant for years by the babblers.

Luke 20:25

REALLY ? Lets take alook shall we.

New International Version
He said to them, "Then give back to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."

New Living Translation
"Well then," he said, "give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God."

English Standard Version
He said to them, “Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”

New American Standard Bible
And He said to them, "Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

King James Bible
And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
"Well then," He told them, "give back to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God the things that are God's."

International Standard Version
So he told them, "Then give back to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

NET Bible
So he said to them, "Then give to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Yeshua said to them, “Give therefore to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation
He said to them, "Well, then give the emperor what belongs to the emperor, and give God what belongs to God."

Jubilee Bible 2000
And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's and unto God the things which are God's.

King James 2000 Bible
And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things which are God's.

American King James Version
And he said to them, Render therefore to Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and to God the things which be God's.

American Standard Version
And he said unto them, Then render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And he said to them: Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's: and to God the things that are God's.

Darby Bible Translation
And he said to them, Pay therefore what is Caesar's to Caesar, and what is God's to God.

English Revised Version
And he said unto them, Then render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's.

Webster's Bible Translation
And he said to them, Render therefore to Cesar the things which are Cesar's, and to God the things which are God's.

Weymouth New Testament
"Pay therefore," He replied, "what is Caesar's to Caesar--and what is God's to God."

World English Bible
He said to them, "Then give to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

Young's Literal Translation
and he said to them, 'Give back, therefore, the things of Caesar to Caesar, and the things of God to God;'

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Every verse says give back the things that are Gods to God and the things that are Caesars to Caesar.

Not one thing there remotely instructing a separation of Church and State.

Do enlighten me please, and not just a non Christian or Atheistic rant because that is where this little chestnut originated.

caesar is the state
Jesus is stating the state and God are different.

State tax yes.

He never said keep them separate. In fact by rendering what is the states to the state and God what is Gods doesn't mean don't partake in both. In fact he was telling them to do exactly that. Partake in the state partake in God.

There is no commandment to separate church from state at all. All he did was highlight the difference and if you partake in one them be prepared to render unto them what is theirs. IE come under that law. The law of the land.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51689 At my desk.	Re: Why the political left wont confront islam ? Reply #91 - Jun 8^th, 2014 at 10:12pm I'm not sure what distinction you are trying to make matty.
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Reply #92 - Jun 12^th, 2014 at 12:06am

Mattywisk wrote on Jun 7^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

Every verse says give back the things that are Gods to God and the things that are Caesars to Caesar.

Not one thing there remotely instructing a separation of Church and State.

WHat do you think the divide between god and caesar means? What do you think (if that's the word I want) he is trying to convey if not the separation and separateness of the profane and the profound, the worldly (mundane) and the exalted (divine)?

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BlindFreddy Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 159 Gender:	Re: Why the political left wont confront islam ? Reply #94 - Jun 12^th, 2014 at 9:01pm Karnal wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 1:49am: You’re addressing a wisk, dear. A what? As in, the cooking implement that you scramble eggs with?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 99523	Re: Why the political left wont confront islam ? Reply #95 - Jun 12^th, 2014 at 11:17pm BlindFreddy wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 9:01pm: Karnal wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 1:49am: You’re addressing a wisk, dear. A what? As in, the cooking implement that you scramble eggs with? You seem awfully interested in Matty’s impliment, Freddie. You’re a bit late though. Matty has left us.
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Reply #96 - Jun 22^nd, 2025 at 4:20pm

stryder wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 3:47pm:

From what I observe and read is that leftists or lefties always seem to not want to criticize Islam to the same extent as they do Christianity and christians

I guess it weighs on there minds that someone like madonna can mock jesus christs in her concert and have the sense to know that the worst response she would get is offended christians complaining about it while if you question or criticise the mohammend or any aspect of Islam itself, you will most likely incur a fatwa or some kind of jihad against you, where they would threaten death at you,

Quite frankly I can believe that there is a level of contradiction and cowardice from many lefties who seemed to be comfortable with it as well, who sucumb to this madness of not calling a spade a spade

the last 30 years over 90% of global terrorist activity has been committed by many, many Islamic based groups around the world with most fighting for some kind of state that will enact sharia law

This is always topical.

Iran: the cradle of Islamo-leftism
The anti-Western fervour that fuelled the Iranian Revolution continues to seduce today’s ‘progressives’.

What we’ve seen over the past week, as zealous ‘progressives’ happily take the side of one of the most repressive, anti-Semitic states on Earth, is hardly a surprise. It is the culmination of the Western left’s dark, cultural turn. Of the degeneration of its anti-imperialism into an all-encompassing anti-Westernism.

Writing in Le Nouvel Observateur in 1978, an Iranian feminist took issue with the Western left’s embrace of the Islamo-leftism then insurgent in Iran. She wrote that while Islam may appear as desirable to someone like Foucault, ‘many Iranians are like me, distressed and desperate about the thought of an “Islamic” government. We know what it is. Everywhere outside Iran, Islam serves as a cover for a feudal or pseudo-revolutionary oppression…’. She concluded that, ‘the left should not let itself be seduced by a cure that is perhaps worse than the disease’.

Too few Western leftists heeded her warning then. That they continue to be seduced by the ‘cure’ to Western-sickness, despite the reality of the Islamic Republic, is a sign of the left’s intellectual and moral collapse. Its descent into a form of radical reaction that the Ayatollah Khomeini himself would be proud of.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/06/21/iran-the-cradle-of-islamo-leftism/

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Re: Why the political left wont confront islam ?
Reply #99 - Oct 24^th, 2025 at 6:37am

That Islamists, who are responsible for 86 per cent of terrorism-related deaths in the West since 2000, glorify violence is no revelation. Nor is it news that the far left has long shared that appetite for destruction. From the Russian Zemlya i Volya (“Land and Liberty”) of the 1870s, which exalted “the dagger, the revolver, and dynamite” as “the revolutionist’s most effective means of persuasion”, to today’s Antifa mobs, the lineage is unbroken. Now, as Islamists and the far left converge, their methods are spilling ever more brazenly into Australian streets.

That contagion of rage reflects a deeper transformation. The far left has ceased to be a movement with an encompassing social project; it has become a loose federation of incompatible identity factions, united only by shared hatreds. Having no overarching vision of a better future, its members find common purpose in fury – using vitriol and protest as both the glue that holds their movement together and the fuel that drives its radicalisation, each confrontation testing how far the boundaries can be pushed.

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Like their Islamist allies, the radicals who dehumanise opponents shun dialogue because it drains the hatred that sustains their politics – and, echoing Lenin’s contempt for “reactionaries”, they believe that “There is only one answer to reaction: smash its face in!”.

The question is why we let them get away with it. There is, they contend, an inalienable “right to protest”. But no such right exists. What the law protects is the right of peaceful assembly – a right that, since its initial development in the 19th century, has always been subject to stringent limits designed to prevent disorder and safeguard the public.

So when the Free Palestine Coalition claims that “police denied thousands the right to protest”, what it is really seeking is the right to deny the rights of others, suppressing their freedoms of peaceful assembly, association and expression. Since October 7, that has been the method of Islamists and their leftist fellow travellers: threats, intimidation and disruption deployed not to defend liberty but to extinguish it.

Yet a free society is under no obligation to tolerate the intolerant, still less to bow to their ultimatums.

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Reply #100 - Oct 27^th, 2025 at 1:40pm

Henry Ergas - an unreliable, partial witness who told lies to a board of inquiry on what Justice Alan Goldberg et al of the Australian Competition Tribunal said about him in 2004. Let’s go to the transcript and particularly par 222.

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…we note that on many occasions in the present proceeding two experts in particular, being Mr Ergas, called on behalf of the applicants, and Professor Timothy Hazledine, a Professor of Economics at the University of Auckland, called on behalf of the Gullivers Group, appeared reluctant to respond to questions whose answers might have been adverse to the case put by the party calling them. Instead, they provided non-responsive answers and deviated to discussions of other issues which supported the case of the applicants and the Gullivers Group respectively. On some occasions, the presiding member asked the experts whether they could answer the question put to them and asked them not to give a long explanation, but to no avail. Such an attitude and conduct of an expert witness leads to a conclusion of partiality and an inability to express an objective expert opinion upon which reliance can be placed.

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Re: Why the political left wont confront islam ?
Reply #101 - Oct 27^th, 2025 at 1:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27^th, 2025 at 1:40pm:

Henry Ergas - an unreliable, partial witness who told lies to a board of inquiry on what Justice Alan Goldberg et al of the Australian Competition Tribunal said about him in 2004. Let’s go to the transcript and particularly par 222.

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…we note that on many occasions in the present proceeding two experts in particular, being Mr Ergas, called on behalf of the applicants, and Professor Timothy Hazledine, a Professor of Economics at the University of Auckland, called on behalf of the Gullivers Group, appeared reluctant to respond to questions whose answers might have been adverse to the case put by the party calling them. Instead, they provided non-responsive answers and deviated to discussions of other issues which supported the case of the applicants and the Gullivers Group respectively. On some occasions, the presiding member asked the experts whether they could answer the question put to them and asked them not to give a long explanation, but to no avail. Such an attitude and conduct of an expert witness leads to a conclusion of partiality and an inability to express an objective expert opinion upon which reliance can be placed.

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Reply #102 - Oct 27^th, 2025 at 2:05pm

stryder wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 3:47pm:

From what I observe and read is that leftists or lefties always seem to not want to criticize Islam to the same extent as they do Christianity and christians

Well, the Bible (which is OUR book) - especially the Jewish OT - does contain a lot of obsolete bronze-age crap - as opposed to Jesus' wonderful proposition in the NT: 'love God and love one-another'

The Koran is THEIR book, they have to deal with it.

Meanwhiule the progressive Left in the Western democracies is outraged by the continuing oppression of Palestinians, through the failure of the UN to implement - in its entirety - its own resolution #181.

The failure to do so is THE cause of the extremist Muslim reaction aka HAMAS.

Hence your observation above.

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Reply #103 - Oct 27^th, 2025 at 2:30pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27^th, 2025 at 1:40pm:

Henry Ergas - an unreliable, partial witness who told lies to a board of inquiry on what Justice Alan Goldberg et al of the Australian Competition Tribunal said about him in 2004. Let’s go to the transcript and particularly par 222.

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…we note that on many occasions in the present proceeding two experts in particular, being Mr Ergas, called on behalf of the applicants, and Professor Timothy Hazledine, a Professor of Economics at the University of Auckland, called on behalf of the Gullivers Group, appeared reluctant to respond to questions whose answers might have been adverse to the case put by the party calling them. Instead, they provided non-responsive answers and deviated to discussions of other issues which supported the case of the applicants and the Gullivers Group respectively. On some occasions, the presiding member asked the experts whether they could answer the question put to them and asked them not to give a long explanation, but to no avail. Such an attitude and conduct of an expert witness leads to a conclusion of partiality and an inability to express an objective expert opinion upon which reliance can be placed.

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He told no lies, liar.

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Why are you posting on MRBs where you are banned?

Do you have ANYTHING relevant to say on the topic of this discussion?

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