freediver wrote on Jun 6^th, 2014 at 4:53pm:


No worries.

I think that Christianity is inherently more open to the separation of church and state than Islam, due to ideological differences.

It looks a bit light though. Don't you think we should add anything?

Mattywisk wrote on Jun 6^th, 2014 at 10:41pm:

Luke 20:25

Soren wrote on Jun 7^th, 2014 at 12:14pm:



REALLY ? Lets take alook shall we.

New International Version
He said to them, "Then give back to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."

New Living Translation
"Well then," he said, "give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God."

English Standard Version
He said to them, “Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”

New American Standard Bible
And He said to them, "Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

King James Bible
And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
"Well then," He told them, "give back to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God the things that are God's."

International Standard Version
So he told them, "Then give back to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

NET Bible
So he said to them, "Then give to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Yeshua said to them, “Give therefore to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation
He said to them, "Well, then give the emperor what belongs to the emperor, and give God what belongs to God."

Jubilee Bible 2000
And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's and unto God the things which are God's.

King James 2000 Bible
And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things which are God's.

American King James Version
And he said to them, Render therefore to Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and to God the things which be God's.

American Standard Version
And he said unto them, Then render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And he said to them: Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's: and to God the things that are God's.

Darby Bible Translation
And he said to them, Pay therefore what is Caesar's to Caesar, and what is God's to God.

English Revised Version
And he said unto them, Then render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's.

Webster's Bible Translation
And he said to them, Render therefore to Cesar the things which are Cesar's, and to God the things which are God's.

Weymouth New Testament
"Pay therefore," He replied, "what is Caesar's to Caesar--and what is God's to God."

World English Bible
He said to them, "Then give to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

Young's Literal Translation
and he said to them, 'Give back, therefore, the things of Caesar to Caesar, and the things of God to God;'


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Every verse says give back the things that are Gods to God and the things that are Caesars to Caesar.

Not one thing there remotely instructing a separation of Church and State.

Do enlighten me please, and not just a non Christian or Atheistic rant because that is where this little chestnut originated.

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2014 at 3:25pm:


Oh I agree, there is no mandate in Christianity to take total control and rule the earth as you stated there is in islam. The very fact islam is written like that just reeks of it being made up by a man not a god. Where I was coming from with regards to Christianity is that verse was referring to the paying of taxes. When Jesus was asked if they should, he simply looked at the coins and said hey dudes give Caesar what is his and God what is his, as it was just man made metal. They thought he was gonna say no. As His concern and his kingdom are not of this world there is no concern in Christianity to take it over. There is also no mandate not to get involved in government affairs at all either.

Islam is a regime based on one mans ambition to dominate the earth. He even tested out his story about going to the mountain before he came out and said he was visited by an angel. Even the rewards in heaven are something a man would think up not a God. 72 Virgins yeah right. He even copied all the pagan practices at the time because he couldn't invent his own. You would have to be thick to follow it and that's exactly what we have, a lot of thick people hundreds of years later easily influenced and that is a big problem. Just look at their facec in any protest. Incapable of self control.

Once key positions are held in government that will be the end of Australia. There is already one in there with his Quaran.

Mattywisk wrote on Jun 7^th, 2014 at 3:47pm:


OF COURSE Islam is a man-made project. Any Muslim will tell you this.

What religion isn’t?

Jesus was a mystic living under Roman occupation. Of course he didn’t see his teachings as establishing a state.

This, of course, is the very argument put by Jews to dismiss Jesus’ messiah status. The Jews see the messiah as a political ruler who will come to unite the 12 tribes.

That’s right - just like Muhammed.

And yes, politics and the Christian church were originally separated until Christianity became the official religion of Rome, and spread from there. During the dark ages, it was illegal NOT to be Christian. In most parts of Christendom, heathens were put to death and buried in unconsecrated ground. Christians actively went on raiding parties to rape and kill heathens. When they weren’t fighting among themselves, these parties became armies, and the armies became a series of crusades to liberate the Holy Lands from the despicable Muselman.

800 Jews, you say?

I blame Islam.

RR was a great orator.

Mattywisk wrote on Jun 7^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:


caesar is the state
Jesus is stating the state and God are different.