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Re: Why the political left wont confront islam ?
Reply #45 - Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 3:32pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 12:08pm:

There are several things here I find quite amusing.

1) Why do so many people believe all "lefties" think the same? They don't.

2) Why do some people think all lefties won't confront Islam? Many do.

For bad or worse I have no doubt there were "lefties" in the US Army that invaded Iran and Afghanistan. Were they confronting Islam?

As with most religions the followers of Islam are either peaceful or warlike. The warlike Muslims are terrorists.

The warlike Christians do things like chanting outside the funerals of dead servicemen, opposing abortion and homosexuality.

Which is worse?

Of course it's terrorism, no contest.

The warlike christians are not following Jesus example.
the warlike muslims ARE following mohs example.

And yes, protesting is not as bad as terrorism.

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Reply #46 - Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 4:02pm

stryder wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 3:47pm:

[size=12]From what I observe and read is that leftists or lefties always seem to not want to criticize Islam to the same extent as they do Christianity and christians

Well, let's clear that up right now.

Islam and Christianity are both ridiculous religions.

Christians and Muslims alike are bat poo crazy.

I hope that was clear enough (coming from this "lefty").

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Reply #47 - Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 11:07pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 1:43pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 1^st, 2014 at 12:16am:

Are you saying that white hijabis are embraced and smiled upon and only the tinted hijabis cop the flak?

I'm saying white hijabis are virtually non-existent.

When bigots see a hijab they see a tinted person - and thats because they almost always are.

I'd doubt white hijabis would be smiled upon - but only because they are perceived as "with them" and race traitors.

Like I said, hijabs are just another racial marker for these people.

Nah.

When bigots 'Yaddas' see a hijab they see a moslem - no matter the 'tint' of the skin.

And so [or, in any case], 'moslem' is not a race.

But coming back to the wearing of hijab.....

The hijab does, designate a person as a moslem.

And being a 'moslem' designates a person as a follower of ISLAM.

And being a follower of ISLAM does designate a person as a supporter of religious terrorism, religious bigotry, and religious fascism, and religiously justified murder.

Not so ?

Because.......

"Hey!!!! I'm a moslem, but i have absolutely no idea what the laws and tenets of my faith declare, and what those laws and tenets require of me - being a moslem! HONEST!!"

A moslem is a person who declares;

"I am a moslem. Allah is my God, and Mohammed is his prophet."

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

e.g.

WHAT IS TERRORISM ?

Dictionary;
terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Mohammed is a terrorist, as defined by the Haddith....

Allah's Apostle said,

"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."

hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."

hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

WHO IS A MOSLEM ?

ALL MOSLEMS CAN BE CHARACTER-ISED AS 'WANNA BE' MURDERERS [of those persons who resist their will Allah's will] - because ALL moslems do endorse the laws and tenets of ISLAM, which do call for and 'sanctify' such murders.

And for a moslem to condemn or to criticise a fellow moslem for wrongdoing [e.g. LAWLESSNESS, by a 'Western' standard of law], is just not 'Kosher'!!!!

And that is why moslems in the West will do absolutely not one practical thing against an organisation like BOKO HARAM.

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

IN A MOSQUE, IN THE UK, a moslem cleric [i.e. a moslem community leader in the UK] declares that whenever a moslem kills a non-moslem, Allah will be happy,

"What makes Allah happy?
Allah is happy, when kafir get killed."

Please watch this YT...

Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims

goto 4m 30s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0

I could also quote some Koran verses, but you have all seen them before.
[whoops!!!]

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

Sorry, i couldn't resist posting them.

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Re: Why the political left wont confront islam ?
Reply #48 - Jun 3^rd, 2014 at 11:26am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 4:02pm:

stryder wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 3:47pm:

[size=12]From what I observe and read is that leftists or lefties always seem to not want to criticize Islam to the same extent as they do Christianity and christians

Well, let's clear that up right now.

Islam and Christianity are both ridiculous religions.

Christians and Muslims alike are bat poo crazy.

I hope that was clear enough (coming from this "lefty").

Now now, we don’t want to offend Lutherans.

No one has the right to not be offended, you know.

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Re: Why the political left wont confront islam ?
Reply #50 - Jun 3^rd, 2014 at 2:12pm

Sparky wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2014 at 11:30am:

You'd think gay lefties would protest against Islam considering it's a death sentence in most parts of the Muslim world.

Sparky,

There is nothing more superficial [i.e. 'can't see the wood for the trees'] or more 'short term', than a 'gay lefty', imo. Wink

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Take Karnal......

....then again, i'd advise you against that!

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Re: Why the political left wont confront islam ?
Reply #51 - Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:30am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 4:02pm:

stryder wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 3:47pm:

[size=12]From what I observe and read is that leftists or lefties always seem to not want to criticize Islam to the same extent as they do Christianity and christians

Well, let's clear that up right now.

Islam and Christianity are both ridiculous religions.

Christians and Muslims alike are bat poo crazy.

I hope that was clear enough (coming from this "lefty").

The reflex ambivalence of the Left in all its hideous, studied idiocy.

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Re: Why the political left wont confront islam ?
Reply #52 - Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:35am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 1:43pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 1^st, 2014 at 12:16am:

Are you saying that white hijabis are embraced and smiled upon and only the tinted hijabis cop the flak?

I'm saying white hijabis are virtually non-existent.

Ah... so no great rate of whitey conversion to Islam, then? That's not the line I have been hearing from the Muslim agit-prop bureau for years.
Has the latest truth changed to suit the dissimulation (what's the Arabic word for that again?) required by the particular evasion and distortion now?

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Re: Why the political left wont confront islam ?
Reply #53 - Jun 4^th, 2014 at 11:21am

Sparky wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2014 at 11:30am:

You'd think gay lefties would protest against Islam considering it's a death sentence in most parts of the Muslim world.

It is indeed baffling that the sandalistas will happily defend a religion and cultures that prove daily they are inimical to those things the luvvies hold dear, gay and female rights to equality.

I put it down to the reflex hatred of the west.

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Re: The Political left and Islam
Reply #54 - Jun 4^th, 2014 at 9:23pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 21^st, 2014 at 8:16am:

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 7:56am:

Then there are a lot of people who reflexively associate any criticism of Islam with minority issues or racism.

Muslim communities in western populations are a minority, and are overwhelmingly from different ethnicities to the mainstream. Acts of physical attack and intimidation on muslims in western countries are almost always along racial grounds.

Attacks on muslims in the west is a minority and racism issue.

And muslims are happy to help them equate the two.

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Re: Why the political left wont confront islam ?
Reply #56 - Jun 5^th, 2014 at 12:35pm

Soren wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:30am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 4:02pm:

stryder wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 3:47pm:

[size=12]From what I observe and read is that leftists or lefties always seem to not want to criticize Islam to the same extent as they do Christianity and christians

Well, let's clear that up right now.

Islam and Christianity are both ridiculous religions.

Christians and Muslims alike are bat poo crazy.

I hope that was clear enough (coming from this "lefty").

The reflex ambivalence of the Left in all its hideous, studied idiocy.

Put the bottle down, Soren.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 147399 Gender:	Re: Why the political left wont confront islam ? Reply #58 - Jun 5^th, 2014 at 1:11pm Datalife wrote on Jun 5^th, 2014 at 12:39pm: Despite them both being bat poo crazy would you nominate one over the other as the greater threat to a liberal secular west? No. Would you?
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Reply #59 - Jun 5^th, 2014 at 1:23pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 5^th, 2014 at 1:11pm:

Datalife wrote on Jun 5^th, 2014 at 12:39pm:

Despite them both being bat poo crazy would you nominate one over the other as the greater threat to a liberal secular west?

No.

Would you?

I would. I choose Islam as being antithetical to liberal secular values

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