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Reply #30 - May 17^th, 2014 at 11:05pm

Yadda wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 2:35pm:

Karnal wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 11:08pm:

I say we act quick and stop messing about.

Let’s string them ALL up like the Christmas turkeys they are. Muslims, lefties, every last one.

He's not joking - ASIO.

Honest!

I can neither confirm nor deny, Y, but suffice to say I don’t have to queue at Customs, I don’t get arrested overseas, and my enemies don’t die of old age.

Say no more.

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Reply #31 - May 18^th, 2014 at 7:20am

Frances wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 10:56pm:

Yadda wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

Frances wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 11:26pm:

stryder wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 3:47pm:

From what I observe and read is that leftists or lefties always seem to not want to criticize Islam to the same extent as they do Christianity and christians

What a load of crap.

Read it again, Frances.

I did, and I still think it's crap.

stryder wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

lefties confront and bash christians and christianity

I'm afraid I can't see where members of the political left as a whole do this sort of thing. I would suggest that the few that do it (other than that vile thing, Bill Maher, who does it for money) do it from the standpoint of Atheism rather than as a result of their political views.

Then you are as blind as bat, or you simply choose to be blind, most of the political left like to criticise christianity, whether it is from a atheist standpoint, historical or secular reasons it has been going for a long while.

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Reply #32 - May 20^th, 2014 at 1:23am

stryder wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 7:20am:

Then you are as blind as bat, or you simply choose to be blind, most of the political left like to criticise christianity, whether it is from a atheist standpoint, historical or secular reasons it has been going for a long while.

While that may be true of a few members of the left on this forum, I don't see it as being something that is reflected in the real world.

Do you ever get out and look at what's happening in the real world, or do you spend all day attached to electronic devices?

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Reply #33 - May 20^th, 2014 at 11:50am

Frances wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 10:56pm:

I'm afraid I can't see where members of the political left as a whole do this sort of thing. I would suggest that the few that do it (other than that vile thing, Bill Maher, who does it for money) do it from the standpoint of Atheism rather than as a result of their political views.

But their brave transgressive, liberating instinct stops when it comes to Islam - they are afraid, like everyone else, of having their heads kicked in or worse by the excitable and unaccomodating Muslims.

For the Left, the Muslims are the new proletariat, the oppressed anti-capitalist masses. That most of them are tinted is a bonus: more opportunities to preen on the moral high ground the better and never mind that come the caliphate, freedoms of every kind will go the way of the Qurayza Jews. The Lefties are not particularly hot for freedom themselves so they don't mind. Islam is the new Soviet for the left, the totalitariansim that has replaced Communism. That it has a race element makes it 'Islamophobic' to argue against. The civil rights movement's sentiments and slogans are coopted into shutting down the discussion on Islam in the West. In the third world they will chop off your head, in the west, they will sue you for their hurt feelings. And nothing is more easily bruised than a Muslim's feelings.

That's why the lefty atheists carry on about Christianity (safe to do) but are silent on Islam (dangerous to do).

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Reply #34 - May 21^st, 2014 at 8:16am

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 7:56am:

Then there are a lot of people who reflexively associate any criticism of Islam with minority issues or racism.

Muslim communities in western populations are a minority, and are overwhelmingly from different ethnicities to the mainstream. Acts of physical attack and intimidation on muslims in western countries are almost always along racial grounds.

Attacks on muslims in the west is a minority and racism issue.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 99539	Re: Why the political left wont confront islam ? Reply #35 - May 21^st, 2014 at 8:27am Looks like you concur with the old boy, G. The left like Muslims because they’re tinted. It is a jolly world, no?
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Reply #36 - May 21^st, 2014 at 8:59am

polite_gandalf wrote on May 21^st, 2014 at 8:16am:

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 7:56am:

Then there are a lot of people who reflexively associate any criticism of Islam with minority issues or racism.

Muslim communities in western populations are a minority, and are overwhelmingly from different ethnicities to the mainstream. Acts of physical attack and intimidation on muslims in western countries are almost always along racial grounds.

Attacks on muslims in the west is a minority and racism issue.

And in Western secular societies the Philippino and African and South American nuns and priests are not attacked and intimidated, racial minorities though they are. Safron-robed Buddhists (all of them Asians) are not attacked and intimidated. They are a racial and religious minorities in secular societies - but there is no 'racism' issue with them.

The Mebbe Islam does have to do with things, after all, no? Who can tell your race under a burqa, anyway?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Why the political left wont confront islam ? Reply #37 - May 21^st, 2014 at 11:41am Soren if you seriously believe that only one type of tinted peoples in Australia are singled out for physical attacks and racist intimidation then you really should get out more. For the violent racists, the hijab is just another racial marker - not a religious one.
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Reply #38 - Jun 1^st, 2014 at 12:13am

polite_gandalf wrote on May 21^st, 2014 at 8:16am:

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 7:56am:

Then there are a lot of people who reflexively associate any criticism of Islam with minority issues or racism.

Muslim communities in western populations are a minority, and are overwhelmingly from different ethnicities to the mainstream. Acts of physical attack and intimidation on muslims in western countries are almost always along racial grounds.

Attacks on muslims in the west is a minority and racism issue.

ANd attack on Muslims in Muslim countries is a .... er..... Islamic issue?

Or is that again a case of Islam has nuffin' to do wiv Islam?

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Reply #39 - Jun 1^st, 2014 at 12:14am

polite_gandalf wrote on May 21^st, 2014 at 8:16am:

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 7:56am:

Then there are a lot of people who reflexively associate any criticism of Islam with minority issues or racism.

Muslim communities in western populations are a minority, and are overwhelmingly from different ethnicities to the mainstream. Acts of physical attack and intimidation on muslims in western countries are almost always along racial grounds.

Attacks on muslims in the west is a minority and racism issue.

ANd attack on Muslims in Muslim countries is a .... er..... Islamic issue?

Or is that again a case of Muslims have nuffin' to do wiv Islam?

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Reply #40 - Jun 1^st, 2014 at 12:16am

polite_gandalf wrote on May 21^st, 2014 at 11:41am:

Soren if you seriously believe that only one type of tinted peoples in Australia are singled out for physical attacks and racist intimidation then you really should get out more.

For the violent racists, the hijab is just another racial marker - not a religious one.

Are you saying that white hijabis are embraced and smiled upon and only the tinted hijabis cop the flak?

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 99539	Re: Why the political left wont confront islam ? Reply #41 - Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 12:27am Or is he saying the curries are loved, admired and left unbashed to save our strength for the Muselman? What say you, Moslem?
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Reply #42 - Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 12:08pm

There are several things here I find quite amusing.

1) Why do so many people believe all "lefties" think the same? They don't.

2) Why do some people think all lefties won't confront Islam? Many do.

For bad or worse I have no doubt there were "lefties" in the US Army that invaded Iran and Afghanistan. Were they confronting Islam?

As with most religions the followers of Islam are either peaceful or warlike. The warlike Muslims are terrorists.

The warlike Christians do things like chanting outside the funerals of dead servicemen, opposing abortion and homosexuality.

Which is worse?

Of course it's terrorism, no contest.

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Reply #43 - Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 12:26pm

I love the sanctimonious moral standards of the US and their recent Taliban kidnap demand/ransom swap. They've kept Afghani prisoners of war in Guantanamo Bay for the last 13 years - kept off US soil to avoid the US Constitution, and classed as "enemy combatants", a retrospective law designed to kidnap anyone they want on or off a US battlefield.

A US soldier is captured and held by the Taliban and it's an outrage. Fox News must be having a field day in all their Saving Private Ryan glory.

Of course it's all the fault of Islam. The US should be free to capture anyone they choose. How despicable these Muselmen are for daring to say boo.

The price of an Amerikan soldier? Five Taliban soldiers - sorry "enemy combatants".

Islam - ain'tcha sick of it?

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Reply #44 - Jun 2^nd, 2014 at 1:43pm

Soren wrote on Jun 1^st, 2014 at 12:16am:

Are you saying that white hijabis are embraced and smiled upon and only the tinted hijabis cop the flak?

I'm saying white hijabis are virtually non-existent.

When bigots see a hijab they see a tinted person - and thats because they almost always are.

I'd doubt white hijabis would be smiled upon - but only because they are perceived as "with them" and race traitors.

Like I said, hijabs are just another racial marker for these people.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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