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Reply #105 - May 17^th, 2014 at 4:29pm

Yadda wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

hazy123 wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 1:47pm:

The majority of Australians don't worship Jehovah or Allah.

Most Australians don't follow Judaism or Islam.

Can you get that through your thick skulls?

hazy,

My God is bigger than their god.

OK!!!

There is no Gud but Gud.

Allah Uakbar!

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hazy123 Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 404 Gender:	Re: intellectual fascism Reply #106 - May 17^th, 2014 at 4:37pm But, alas, there are many religions and some are more compatible than others. That's my whole point. The luvvies have made anyone with an opinion different to their own a racist or a bigot. That is intellectual fascism.
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Re: intellectual fascism
Reply #107 - May 17^th, 2014 at 4:41pm

hazy123 wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 4:29pm:

I have a lot of respect for you viewpoints Karnal. Nethertheless, you constantly fail to see how Australian christianity is different to, say, Lebanese Christianity. See, theses things, and other things make up Australian culture. Unique, progressive and worth preserving from hostile, backward, foreign influences.

Australia is driven by foreign influences, friend - from Macassan sea-slug traders to Mother England to Hollywood.

It is so. Christian groups are different. Different calenders, different festivals. But all adhere to the Nicean Creed, which established the basic beliefs of the faith.

Gud is great, no?

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Re: intellectual fascism
Reply #108 - May 17^th, 2014 at 4:45pm

hazy123 wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 4:37pm:

But, alas, there are many religions and some are more compatible than others. That's my whole point. The luvvies have made anyone with an opinion different to their own a racist or a bigot. That is intellectual fascism.

Were liberal founding fathers such as John Stuart-Mill, and in Australia, Robert Menzies, luvvies?

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Mattywisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1373 Gender:	Re: intellectual fascism Reply #109 - May 17^th, 2014 at 4:47pm hazy123 wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 1:20pm: If Carnal thinks that Jesus's mission was to spread Judaism, he has obviously missed the whole point of the Bible. and then some.
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hazy123 Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 404 Gender:	Re: intellectual fascism Reply #110 - May 17^th, 2014 at 4:50pm No, they were nation builders, not armchair socialists.
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Reply #111 - May 17^th, 2014 at 4:57pm

hazy123 wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 4:50pm:

No, they were nation builders, not armchair socialists.

John Stuart Mill was a philosopher. Robert Menzies was a Liberal PM. The party he founded is secular. Malcolm Fraser, another Liberal PM, established multiculturalism.

If they were luvvies, the entire political establishment in Australia must be luvvies.

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hazy123 Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 404 Gender:	Re: intellectual fascism Reply #112 - May 17^th, 2014 at 5:10pm You're dead on about Fraser, Karnal. He's the bastard that really set the multicultural ball rolling. P.S. im not a liberal supporter.
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Reply #113 - May 17^th, 2014 at 5:17pm

hazy123 wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 5:10pm:

You're dead on about Fraser, Karnal. He's the bastard that really set the multicultural ball rolling. P.S. im not a liberal supporter.

The ALP are in full support of multiculturalism - the Greens too. Clive Palmer wants more immigration and onshore refugee processing.

Are they all luvvies too?

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True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Re: intellectual fascism Reply #114 - May 17^th, 2014 at 5:35pm I reckon if Australia stopped immigration, the country would soon be broke. Perhaps then Indonesia could take over and install sharia law. Is the anti-immigration agenda really jihad by stealth?
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hazy123 Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 404 Gender:	Re: intellectual fascism Reply #115 - May 17^th, 2014 at 5:36pm No, the luvvies are traditionally labore and green voters that defend multiculturalism irrespective of the real damage it does. The libs appear to definately want to reduce muslim immigration. Thats a big part of stopping the boats. Stopping the muslims coming from indonesia.
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hazy123 Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 404 Gender:	Re: intellectual fascism Reply #116 - May 17^th, 2014 at 5:48pm Oh, please immigrants/muslims, please save us poor stupid Australians from poverty...pleeeaaase.
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Reply #117 - May 17^th, 2014 at 6:06pm

ian wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

stryder wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 12:57pm:

ian wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 12:36pm:

stryder wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 11:34am:

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Careful observers, as the sociologist Introvigne can have an idea about the numbers, based on various criteria of largely unnoticed and ongoing phenomena. According to the British Times about 15 percent of Muslim immigrants to Europe have abandoned Islam and become Christians. In the UK the number is now estimated at 200,000. In France, every year about 15,000 Muslims become Christians, some 10,000 of them Catholics, the rest Protestants of various denominations, especially of independent churches.

http://catholicismpure.wordpress.com/2013/03/06/jesus-instead-of-jihad-every-year-six-million-muslims-convert-to-christianity/

Wow, ive just pasted that link you mention ian, woooow the conversion to christianity is mostly in europe and outside the middle east ??? no surprise and and out of reach of such tough and deep islamic nations like Saudi arabia, Iran or the rest of the middle east Grin

The majority of the worlds Muslims do not reside in the middle east. So, when we talk about the religion of Islam we are talking about all Muslims, are we not?

Yes we are and its true what you said, most reside in south east asia, in particular Indonesia, but ive noticed you havent refuted what ive said either.

In fact, the Middle East-North Africa region has the highest concentration Muslims of any region of the world: 93% of its approximately 341 million inhabitants are Muslim, compared with 30% in sub-Saharan Africa and 24% in the Asia-Pacific region, according to PewResearchcentre

I have no issue with agreeing that cultures in these middle eastern islamic countries are barbaric and backward, but that is not Islam as you have just agreed. So. less of the lazy thinking when debating and stop substituting Islam for middle eastern.

Ian for someone who refuses to ask Muslims about Islam, you make some bold claims about knowing what Islam really is.

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People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: intellectual fascism Reply #118 - May 17^th, 2014 at 6:26pm freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 6:06pm: [ Ian for someone who refuses to ask Muslims about Islam, you make some bold claims about knowing what Islam really is. Refute my claims instead of lying about what i have claimed.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 99102	Re: intellectual fascism Reply #119 - May 17^th, 2014 at 7:13pm hazy123 wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 5:48pm: Oh, please immigrants/muslims, please save us poor stupid Australians from poverty...pleeeaaase. Please fill our universities and colleges! Please work in our hospitals! Please feed poor dear and the old boy their stool!
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