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Reply #45 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 11:09pm
 
There is no evidence that Aboriginals were ever more advanced than any other homo sapiens. Thats  just rubbish. They have always been the least advanced of the races.
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Reply #46 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 11:50pm
 
rhino wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 11:09pm:
There is no evidence that Aboriginals were ever more advanced than any other homo sapiens. Thats  just rubbish. They have always been the least advanced of the races.


What a croc!  Grin
Even the Sapiens in Europe couldn't do a cave painting until just 10,000 years ago.

I think the Aboriginals just died of boredom waiting for the rest of the world to catch up.  Grin
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Reply #47 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 12:02am
 
The earliest known cave paintings come from Sulawesi, not Australia.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/09/science/ancient-indonesian-find-may-rival-old...
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Reply #48 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 4:48pm
 
Suppose you were transported back in time to Australia before European settlement and you wanted to set up a more advanced civilisation. What would you start with? Farming instead of hunting?

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 8:29pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 7:59pm:
That's how natural selection works. Only a slight difference can mean the difference between life and death. On Islands in particular, the population is always too small for organised warfare to develop. Thus individual brute strength counts more than organisational ability.


There was not nearly enough fighting between the Pacific Islanders for Nature to then tweak their genes to produce a better model of fighter.

Of far more urgency was the ability to harvest the coastal waters for sea food and the sandy land for root crops and the like.

Being of huge bulk militated against them settling into crudely-crafted canoes to fish from.



How much fighting would there need to be?

How much fighting do you think there was?

Are you just making it up as you go along?
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Reply #49 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 8:11pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 10:44pm:
Actually Valkie

While the Aboriginals were probably the most 'culturally' advanced of all the early people's, even the ancient Hominids still hanging around in patches. Most of all the other Sapien tribes were still a couple of stone tools short of the picnic.

Now it seems, that occupation in Australia came from around 65,000 years ago.
That's amazing.
But as for other civilisations 'catching up' then advancing past Aboriginal culture.
Well you got to remember that for 10-15,000 years - the Australia continent 'dried out' considerably due to a massive Ice Age. It basically scuttled the Aboriginal existence from 'Living' to 'surviving'.
This is where their culture stagnated and nearly died.
Even 'white people' in Rural Towns struggle to exist even after a 10 year drought. Besides many 'suicides', many leave. So try dealing with that for 10,000 years! That's longer than the History of the so-called 'Civilised World'.

What British Colonisation came up against was an Aboriginal culture that was a 'shadow' of its former self. It's Golden Age had long gone.

Who knows - maybe 50,000 years ago. Migrations of Sapiens ventured out of Africa and into the 'promised Land' of Australia ...as they followed the water's edge of the Indian Ocean.

Yeah sure - the Aboriginals racked up just 50 points while everyone could only manage 1 point.
But they held that 50 points for 85% of the time, until in the last 15% (5,000 years) - everyone finally surpassed them to reach 200 points.

Yep - they lead the field by 25 lengths for the entire circuit until coming down the straight, when the pack 'finally' over-took them.


Un bah leave a bull.

Some people will do anything to try and prop up what is a primitive pre-stoneage group of misfits.
There was no civilization, they were too busy killing each other, and setting fire to things.

Culturally advanced?
What tha?
They are about as advanced as a cane toad.

Your explanation brings to mind a joke I once heard.

Three men were sitting around taliking about advanced civilizations.
One said
" In England we dug down several metres and found evidence of copper wire, I conclude that this is evidence of an advanced civilization from 500 years ago using copper wire for communications"

The second guy said.
"Well thats nothing, in the USA we dug even deeper and found copper wire and concluded that over 1000 years ago our people were using copper wire for communications"

The third guy, an Abbo said.
"Well we dug even deeper and found nothing, leading us to conclude that over 10000 years ago we were using wireless communication"

Just because some rocks were piled on top of each other does not indicate advanced civilization.
Advanced civilizations build artwork, buildings and monuments that celebrate their advanced nature.
There is nothing, not one single solitary thing that the aboriginals have made as a monument to their culture or civilization, nuffink at all.

Just accept that the Australian Aboriginals were, are and will always be a failed race.
They never advanced even beyond pre-stone age, simply because they didnt have to.
Life was easy, there was no freezing winters to require shelter.
There were no massive animals that they had to protect themselves from.
There was no other civilizations that wanted to take over, requiring them to advance or die.

They have simply existed, laziness is inbred into them after a millennia of being lazy and with an easy lifestyle.

Perhaps it can be bread out in time, but from what we see, even after 200 years, its not happening yet and may take a long long time.



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Reply #50 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 8:25pm
 
Ha!  Grin
You're a joker Valkie, for sure.

The Aboriginal existence wasn't 'civilisation' in the 'city' context (though many cities 'now' are very un-civilised existences).

They were far more advanced than everywhere else for a very long time in comparison.
Mesolithic Europe couldn't even make a Stone Axe for another 30,000 years before Aboriginals did.

http://www.sapiens.org/archaeology/ground-edge-ax-human-origins-australia/

As for being 'lazy' - well, maybe if you treat them like 'African-Americans', maybe they are ...as any 'labourer' from any race would be.  Tongue

Most of their cultural aspect was more 'mental' work.
The ability to turn many parts of Australia into a 'Park-Land' Estate provided the need to just use 20% of their time attaining food. No need to build 'farms' when all of the local area provided well enough.

Without Aboriginal help - the Sydney colony would have 'failed'.
Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson only succeeded in crossing the Blue Mountains because the Dharruk Tribe told them which 'track' to follow.  Tongue
Burke & Wills were too arrogant to seek Aboriginal help and they perished like the obnoxious pompous twats they were.
Look at 'civilised' people today on shows like Survivor - and they can't even 'survive' by 'basic' methods.

You're attitude is like a Racing Car Driver who thinks he's the 'be all', but has forgotten the importance of the basics (too beneath him?) like checking the oil as something worth being important.

Sure, the last 20,000 years hasn't been too kind to Aboriginal culture - forced to 'survive' a very harsh Ice Age, rather than being able to 'live'.

I have no doubt that living with Aboriginals 30,000 years ago would have been a very 'comfortable' existence - while the rest of the world was still scratching around like 'animals'.

Maybe Sapiens, as a 'race' emerged out of North-East Africa,
but 'culture' emerged out of Australia (Sahul) first - I'm pretty sure.
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Reply #51 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 8:48pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:13pm:
While the Incas were building their castles in the clouds.

Abbos were burning things and throwing sticks at animals.

While the Egyptians were building civilizations and pyramids,

Abbos were burning things and throwing sticks at animals.

While the Romans build one of the largest and most influential civilization on earth,

Abbos were burning things and throwing sticks at animals

While the Chinese dynasties grew and evolved into massive and formidable civilizations,

Abbos were burning things and throwing sticks at animals.

While the British empire grew and advanced nmany civilizations throughout the world,

Abbos burned things and threw sticks at animals.

Now as Australia grows and advances into the future

Abbos burn things, throw down copious quantities of grog and drugs and hold out their hands for more.

Yep, quite a record of advancement I must say.

No written word
No stone age tools
No architecture
No real art, just dots on a piece of bark
No real musical instruments, just some sticks and a hollow log (even a 3 year old knows how to make noise with a hollow object)

Just what do they have that is worthwhile?
Anything?


Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Valkie, really?  "No stone age tools"?  What the hell do you think sits in the Museums of Australia?  What do you think is found at the bottom of most caves around Australia?  Stone age tools - stones in other words, stones that have been shaped and used as tools.   You really are quite ignorant, aren't you?  Tsk, tsk.  I really don't know why he even bothers to post, I really don't.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #52 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 8:50pm
 
rhino wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 11:09pm:
There is no evidence that Aboriginals were ever more advanced than any other homo sapiens. Thats  just rubbish. They have always been the least advanced of the races.


According to whom, Rhino?  You? Sorry, doesn't cut it.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #53 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 8:52pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 8:11pm:
Jasin wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 10:44pm:
Actually Valkie

While the Aboriginals were probably the most 'culturally' advanced of all the early people's, even the ancient Hominids still hanging around in patches. Most of all the other Sapien tribes were still a couple of stone tools short of the picnic.

Now it seems, that occupation in Australia came from around 65,000 years ago.
That's amazing.
But as for other civilisations 'catching up' then advancing past Aboriginal culture.
Well you got to remember that for 10-15,000 years - the Australia continent 'dried out' considerably due to a massive Ice Age. It basically scuttled the Aboriginal existence from 'Living' to 'surviving'.
This is where their culture stagnated and nearly died.
Even 'white people' in Rural Towns struggle to exist even after a 10 year drought. Besides many 'suicides', many leave. So try dealing with that for 10,000 years! That's longer than the History of the so-called 'Civilised World'.

What British Colonisation came up against was an Aboriginal culture that was a 'shadow' of its former self. It's Golden Age had long gone.

Who knows - maybe 50,000 years ago. Migrations of Sapiens ventured out of Africa and into the 'promised Land' of Australia ...as they followed the water's edge of the Indian Ocean.

Yeah sure - the Aboriginals racked up just 50 points while everyone could only manage 1 point.
But they held that 50 points for 85% of the time, until in the last 15% (5,000 years) - everyone finally surpassed them to reach 200 points.

Yep - they lead the field by 25 lengths for the entire circuit until coming down the straight, when the pack 'finally' over-took them.


Un bah leave a bull.

Some people will do anything to try and prop up what is a primitive pre-stoneage group of misfits.
There was no civilization, they were too busy killing each other, and setting fire to things.

Culturally advanced?
What tha?
They are about as advanced as a cane toad.

Your explanation brings to mind a joke I once heard.

Three men were sitting around taliking about advanced civilizations.
One said
" In England we dug down several metres and found evidence of copper wire, I conclude that this is evidence of an advanced civilization from 500 years ago using copper wire for communications"

The second guy said.
"Well thats nothing, in the USA we dug even deeper and found copper wire and concluded that over 1000 years ago our people were using copper wire for communications"

The third guy, an Abbo said.
"Well we dug even deeper and found nothing, leading us to conclude that over 10000 years ago we were using wireless communication"

Just because some rocks were piled on top of each other does not indicate advanced civilization.
Advanced civilizations build artwork, buildings and monuments that celebrate their advanced nature.
There is nothing, not one single solitary thing that the aboriginals have made as a monument to their culture or civilization, nuffink at all.

Just accept that the Australian Aboriginals were, are and will always be a failed race.
They never advanced even beyond pre-stone age, simply because they didnt have to.
Life was easy, there was no freezing winters to require shelter.
There were no massive animals that they had to protect themselves from.
There was no other civilizations that wanted to take over, requiring them to advance or die.

They have simply existed, laziness is inbred into them after a millennia of being lazy and with an easy lifestyle.

Perhaps it can be bread out in time, but from what we see, even after 200 years, its not happening yet and may take a long long time.



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Reply #54 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 9:01pm
 
Yes - the stupidity here astounds me.



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Reply #55 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 9:04pm
 
I don't even know what an aboriginal is. Most are multi racial.
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Reply #56 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 9:08pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 9:04pm:
I don't even know what an aboriginal is. Most are multi racial.


An Aboriginal can be someone of full Polish blood, but is well educated in Aboriginal cultural ways and embraces the Aboriginal 'traditional' way of life.
No different to someone  taking up Politics in this Country and acting as if they are British or USAmerican.  Wink

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Reply #57 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 9:10pm
 
Why do you lot apologize and support the deadbeats.

Muzzos, abbos, next it will drug addicts, murderers and, heaven forbid.....politicians.

And as for stone age tools.

Even monkeys pick up sticks and rocks and use them as primitive tools.
Its sad you people try soooo hard to "prove" that aboriginals are more than they really are.
A total failure
A defeated and conqured race
Reaching their peak at "stone age" and never advancing further, in fact going backward at an amazing rate.

If europeans hadnt "invaded" Australia, most of the aboriginals alive today would not even exist.
In fact they would probably die out.
There are more aboriginals now than at any time in their history.

Lazy, as a genitic trait, is the aboriginal gene, perhaps one day they will breed out the gene, but I doubt it.

Keep dreaming about how wonderful they were.
Its all bull dust, they were primitive, nomadic family groups that failed.
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Reply #58 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 9:16pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 9:08pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 9:04pm:
I don't even know what an aboriginal is. Most are multi racial.


An Aboriginal can be someone of full Polish blood, but is well educated in Aboriginal cultural ways and embraces the Aboriginal 'traditional' way of life.
No different to someone  taking up Politics in this Country and acting as if they are British or USAmerican.  Wink


So if I study up on aboriginality and become one too?
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Reply #59 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 9:19pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 9:16pm:
Jasin wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 9:08pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 9:04pm:
I don't even know what an aboriginal is. Most are multi racial.


An Aboriginal can be someone of full Polish blood, but is well educated in Aboriginal cultural ways and embraces the Aboriginal 'traditional' way of life.
No different to someone  taking up Politics in this Country and acting as if they are British or USAmerican.  Wink


So if I study up on aboriginality and become one too?


Sounds like a plan
Free education
And free housing, sounds good
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