Soren wrote on May 19^th, 2014 at 12:51pm:


Meat and two veg, eh?

Miam miam.

Adamant wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 3:24pm:


He's probably busy dreaming up another way to spin this. He's tried pretending that a tax is not a tax, that $26000 per month is a trivial administration fee, that abattoirs are "free" to choose a cheaper supplier of halal stickers (and go out of business), and that it is in fact the epitome of free market capitalism when the Indonesian government bans importation of meat that is not rubber-stamped by approved halal certifiers, then only approves one certifier per state and encourages them to charge as much as they can get away with as a monopoly supplier.

All of this from people he insists we should simply trust not to divert the funds raised to nefarious causes.

It is your prerogative, as a Muslim, to hold both positions at once.

I agree with you that it is a rort and a form of extortion, which is why it is so strange that you spent so many pages here making up stupid excuses for it, especially after we had the same discussion previously.

Are you conceding that your apologetics from earlier in this thread were misguided? Are or you maintaining both positions at the same time (as is your prerogative as a Muslim)?

The first six pages of this thread was you making excuses for the halal tax and trying to pretending it is something else. It's like I'm talking to two completely different Gandalfs here.

It pushes up local prices as well.

You tried to portray it as a good example of free market capitalism. This is a blatant lie.

"Elizabeth Kendall an Australian historian, political observer and blogger says that the reason it took so long to secure the Fatwa was because the Imams were doing a deal with the Saudi Royal Family.

The Imams agreed to issue the Fatwa as long as the royal family’s oil money was put to good use globalising Islam.

They were to fund schools, mosques, universities and more in Western nations.

Mosques are mostly responsible for the halal certification agencies that have exploded across the globe since the 1980s.

A simple search on the internet confirms that the mid-1970s was when the Islamic resurgence came into full swing and it was funded by an abundance of money from Saudi Arabian oil exports.

Beginning in the 1980s, the Saudi Arabian government began to finance the construction of mosques in countries around the world.

    An estimated $US45 billion has been spent by the Saudi Arabian government financing mosques and Islamic schools in foreign countries.

“Ain al-Yaqeen”, a Saudi newspaper, reported in 2002 that Saudi funds may have contributed to building as many as 1,500 mosques and 2,000 other Islamic centres".

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"A South Australian company is paying one of many competing Islamic Halal Certification “services” (AFIC) an undisclosed monthly fee for its seal of approval. But Scholle Industries Pty Ltd, based in Elizabeth, is a manufacturer of plastic packaging (plastic is derived from oil) and has apparently been able to assure Muslim fraudsters that all oil wells are facing Mecca.

Farcical Halal certification is being exposed as nothing more than an extortion racket adding to the cost of almost every type of purchase and governments are failing to act to protect Australians from this Islamic curse on our retail trade for fear of an Islamic electoral backlash.

    Coercion, and threats by the Islamic “certifiers” to economically cripple Australian manufacturers and processors who refuse to pay up are being ignored by authorities.

Since the scam has been exposed, Aussie shoppers are refusing to buy product with the Halal certified label and the little Arab motifs are disappearing from shelf products everywhere like pork pies at a Passover, but the payments and the threats remain.

Halal certification headquarters are based in Saudi Arabia with Indonesia (MUI) administering the Asian arm and many various competing Australian “certifiers” operating both nationally and in most States"

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"Toasted cheese with a dollop of Vegemite was my favourite late night snack, but I leave off the Vegemite now that it’s owned by the American company Mondelez International and sports a little “Halal Certified” notice. No worries, my Aussie owned and made Bega cheese still bubbled under the griller while the jug boiled for a strong cup of tea.

That was until I noticed this funny little Arabic hieroglyph on the back of my Bega cheese packet too. Bloody hell, first my Vegemite and now my Bega cheese! No worries, I'm happy with plain toast.

I wasn't game to go through the whole fridge or I'd have starved.

Trying to find Aussie tucker on the shelves is hard enough but trying to find tucker that is not Islamically sanctioned is near impossible, and it’s meant to be.

An insidious and illegal protection racket called “Halal Certification” has worked its way through our food chains without us knowing a thing about it.

Australian manufacturers and importers of food and drink are actually paying Islamic halal certifiers up to $30,000 per month for the honour of displaying this little Arabic sign.

So, who are these Islamic bastards who are adding to my grocery bill? Well, the "Indonesian Council of Ulama", MUI, (which also orders Fatwa rulings) is the Mafia style Islamic body organising the multi-million dollar racket that forces Australian companies to pay outrageous amounts to have their food certified as halal"

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