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Reply #15 - May 3rd, 2014 at 5:16pm
 
There has been no noticeable global warming for the past 17 years.

Tards just deal with it and stick to climate change. That happens all the time.

Time to move on with this stupid topic.
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Reply #16 - May 3rd, 2014 at 5:24pm
 
austranger wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 5:12pm:
Patrick Moore?
You rely on a TV presenter to refute global warming?
And the senile old man that he was at that?  Grin

Sir Patrick Alfred Caldwell-Moore CBE, FRS, FRAS (4 March 1923 – 9 December 2012)was an English amateur astronomer who attained prominent status in that field as a writer, researcher, radio commentator and television presenter.

He died almost 2 years ago at the age of 90, he had long since lost the ability to understand the science involved, if he ever did, he was an amateur astronomer, not even a scientist.   Roll Eyes
You deny the qualifications and experience of legitimate authorities and ignore the very idea of the progress of scientific knowledge, the learning process...
  the so called "scientists" were wrong back then and they are NOW..

Then you entirely misinterpret the point about data, that individual items thereof do not a conclusion make but that it's the compilation and correlation thereof that is important.
but one of the scientist said that they don't go on the actual "data" they go on what the climate computer says...

And this?
.. its insane!!!! only a bloody idiot would believe these filthy liars..

Just a little emotional isn't it? I wonder why?   Roll Eyes

                   Basically you appear to have settled on a position and are unreasonably and unjustifiably ridiculing and abusing any who disagree with you, and clutching at straws to support your predisposition.

                   I myself am ambivalent about whether mankind has " caused" Global Warming but consider it "likely" that we have contributed to it.
  That the globe is warming I consider indisputable, but how long this will continue and how far up it will go is beyond my personal ability to predict.
    Do you personally deny that warming or is it only the anthropomorphic element that upsets and angers you so much?

    My feeling is that we should stop arguing about the cause and get on with the business of surviving it, moving our industries, infrastructure and populations to brace for the coming flood.

             How do you personally feel about that?
 


No the other Patrick Moore:

"Patrick Moore (born 1947) is a Canadian ecologist, known as one of the early members of Greenpeace, in which he was an environmental activist from 1971 to 1986. Today he is the co-founder, chair, and chief scientist of Greenspirit Strategies in Vancouver, a consulting firm that provides paid public relations efforts, lectures, lobbying, opinions and committee participation to government and industry on a wide range of environmental and sustainability issues. He is a frequent public speaker at meetings of industry associations, universities, and policy groups.

He has sharply and publicly differed with many policies of major environmental groups, such as Greenpeace itself, on other issues including forestry, biotechnology, aquaculture, and the use of chemicals for flame retardants. He is an outspoken proponent of nuclear energy and skeptical of sole human responsibility for climate change."
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Reply #17 - May 3rd, 2014 at 5:42pm
 
  Just as I suspected, you haven't actually read all of these have you?
   You've just c&p'd them from some denialist site and accepted the heading as the truth!

For instance, these are some of the "experts" you claim are lying..
76. 1990 Actress Meryl Streep “By the year 2000 – that’s less than ten years away–earth’s climate will be warmer than it’s been in over 100,000 years. If we don’t do something, there’ll be enormous calamities in a very short time.”

101. June 2008, Ted Alvarez, Backpacker Magazine Blogs


106. June 8, 1972, Christian Science Monitor

86. Sept 19, 1989, St. Louis Post-Dispatch:

87. December 5, 1989, Dallas Morning News:

89. April 18, 1990, Denver Post:


93. November 7, 1997, (BBC commentator)

97. March 29, 2001, CNN:

100. Oct 20, 2009, Gordon Brown UK Prime Minister

And then there's the vague predictions that are either untested as yet because they are yet far in the future or are too general and non-specific as to when they are supposed to happen...
56. Planning for a snowless future: “Our study is already showing that that there will be a much worse situation in 20 years.”
Christopher Krull, Black Forest Tourism Association / Spiegel, 17 Feb 2005

23. “The climate model prognoses currently indicate that the following climate changes will occur: Increase in minimum temperatures in the winter.”
Chamber of Agriculture of Lower Saxony Date: 6 July 2009

29. “By the year 2050 … temperatures will rise 1.5ºC to 2.5°C (summer) and 3°C (winter). … in the summer it will rain up to 40% less and in the winter up to 30% more.
German Federal Department of Highways, 1 Sept 2010

31. “The scenarios of climate scientists are unanimous about one thing: In the future in Germany we will have to live with drier and drier summers and a lot more rain in the winters.”
Gerhard Müller-Westermeier, German Weather Service (DWD), 20 May 2010

32. “In the wintertime the winds will be more from the west and will bring storms to Germany. Especially in western and southern Germany there will be flooding.” FOCUS / Mojib Latif, Leibniz Institute for Ocean Sciences of the University of Kiel, 27 May 2006.


33. “While the increases in the springtime appear as rather modest, the (late)summer and winter months are showing an especially powerful warming trend.”
State Ministry of Environment, Agriculture and Geology, Saxony, p. 133, Schriftenreihe Heft 25/2009.

34. “Warm Winters Result From Greenhouse Effect, Columbia Scientists Find, Using NASA Model … Despite appearing as part of a natural climate oscillation, the large increases in wintertime surface temperatures over the continents may therefore be attributable in large part to human activities,”
Science Daily, Dr. Drew Shindell 4 June 1999

37. The rise in temperature associated with climate change leads to a general reduction in the proportion of precipitation falling as snow, and a consequent reduction in many areas in the duration of snow cover.”
Global Environmental Change, Nigel W. Arnell, Geographer, 1 Oct 1999

3. “More heat waves, no snow in the winter… Climate models… over 20 times more precise than the UN IPCC global models. In no other country do we have more precise calculations of climate consequences. They should form the basis for political planning… Temperatures in the wintertime will rise the most… there will be less cold air coming to Central Europe from the east…In the Alps winters will be 2°C warmer already between 2021 and 2050.”


4. “The new Germany will be characterized by dry-hot summers and warm-wet winters.”
Wilhelm Gerstengarbe and Peter Werner, Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK), March 2, 2007

6. “In summer under certain conditions the scientists reckon with a complete melting of the Arctic sea ice. For Europe we expect an increase in drier and warmer summers. Winters on the other hand will be warmer and wetter.”
Erich Roeckner, Max Planck Institute, Hamburg, 29 Sept 2005.

8. “Harsh winters likely will be more seldom and precipitation in the wintertime will be heavier everywhere. However, due to the milder temperatures, it’ll fall more often as rain than as snow.”
Online-Atlas of the Helmholtz-Gemeinschaft, 2010


12. “In the northern part of the continent there likely will be some benefits in the form of reduced cold periods and higher agricultural yields. But the continued increase in temperatures will cancel off these benefits. In some regions up to 60% of the species could die off by 2080.”

15. “Assuming there will be a doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere, as is projected by the year 2030. The consequences could be hotter and drier summers, and winters warmer and wetter. Such a warming will be proportionately higher at higher elevations – and especially will have a powerful impact on the glaciers of the Firn regions.”


“ The ski areas that reliably have snow will shift from 1200 meters to 1500 meters elevation by the year 2050; because of the climate prognoses warmer winters have to be anticipated.”
Scinexx Wissenschaft Magazin, 26 Mar 2002

17. “Spring will begin in January starting in 2030.”
Die Welt, 30 Sept 2010


18. “Ice, snow, and frost will disappear, i.e. milder winters” … “Unusually warm winters without snow and ice are now being viewed by many as signs of climate change.”
Schleswig Holstein NABU, 10 Feb 2007

  All up I'd hardly say that your  heading...

107 man-made Global Warming failed predictions

     is even remotely accurate!      
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Reply #18 - May 3rd, 2014 at 6:03pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 5:24pm:
[quote author=austranger link=1399093517/14#14 date=1399101177]

No the other Patrick Moore:

"Patrick Moore (born 1947) is a Canadian ecologist, known as one of the early members of Greenpeace, in which he was an environmental activist from 1971 to 1986. Today he is the co-founder, chair, and chief scientist of Greenspirit Strategies in Vancouver, a consulting firm that provides paid public relations efforts, lectures, lobbying, opinions and committee participation to government and industry on a wide range of environmental and sustainability issues. He is a frequent public speaker at meetings of industry associations, universities, and policy groups.

He has sharply and publicly differed with many policies of major environmental groups, such as Greenpeace itself, on other issues including forestry, biotechnology, aquaculture, and the use of chemicals for flame retardants. He is an outspoken proponent of nuclear energy and skeptical of sole human responsibility for climate change."



  Ahhh, my mistake, well then, let's have a look at your Patrick Moore then...

You will of course have noticed the important line in your own post?
Today he is the co-founder, chair, and chief scientist of Greenspirit Strategies in Vancouver, a consulting firm that provides paid public relations efforts, lectures, lobbying, opinions and committee participation to government and industry on a wide range of environmental and sustainability issues.

   You also have noticed that it said clearly that he provides paid public relations efforts
     So he's actually an industry PR consultant
   Then, lets look at his history since leaving Greenpeace, who have disowned him for his selling of himself on the basis of his past connection with them, as you'll see below.

He has worked for the mining industry, the logging industry, PVC manufacturers, the nuclear industry and in defence of biotechnology. In October 2008, Greenpeace issued a statement distancing itself from Moore, saying he "exploits long gone ties with Greenpeace to sell himself as a speaker and pro-corporate spokesperson, usually taking positions that Greenpeace opposes." [2]

Clients

Moore's clients [8] - though the list has not been updated since 2000 - have included:

    B.C. Hazardous Waste Management Corporation (1991-92);
    Moore established the B.C. Carbon Project "working to achieve a common understanding of the carbon budget and the implications of global climate change for B.C." - which received a $C145,000 grant in May 1991. Moores involvement ended in 1994;
    on retainer to the Canadian Pulp and Paper Association to tour European countries to counter advocacy by environmental groups for a boycott of British Columbian forest products (1992-96);
    Westcoast Energy and BC Gas 1993-1994 "to design a public consultation process to address greenhouse gas emissions for the natural gas sector in B.C.";
    BHP Minerals to facilitate a round table on proposals to use the abandoned Island Copper mine as a landfill site (1993-94);
    Director and Vice-President, Environment and Government Affairs for Waterfurnace International 1995-1998 to "build awareness of the benefits of renewable earth energy technology." According to his website, Moore remains a member of the Board of Directors.
    Consultant to the National Association of Forest Industries in Australia for a national tour defending the logging of native forests (1996);
    consultant to the Canadian Mining Association and the Prospectors and Developers Association of Canada "on the role of biodiversity in environmental policy in the mining industry," (1996);
    consultant to BHP Minerals (Canada) Ltd. to author a paper on the environmental impact of submarine tailings disposal over the 23-year life of the Island Copper Mine on Vancouver Island (1996);
    speaker for numerous timber industry associations including the American Forest and Paper Association, the Council of European Paper Industries, State Forestry Associations in Texas, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, New York, Maine, and Florida, the National Hardwood Lumber Association (1998-1999), and at ForestLeadership conferences [9] in 2005 [10];
    gave evidence in support of bio-technology before the New Zealand Royal Commission on Genetic Modification and undertook at tour of Southeast Asia, hosted by the International Service for Assistance with Agri-Biotech Applications. "Led seminars in Bangkok and Jakarta on the benefits of biotechnology for farmers in developing countries," Moore's website states (2000);
    speaker for groups including the Filipino Society of Foresters and the Agri-Food Canada (2000); and
    consultant to the largest manufacturer of PVC in Canada, IPEX, to "intervene in the environmental policy of the Toronto 2008 Olympic Bid." The environmental guidelines adopted for the Sydney Olympics recommended against the use of PVC wherever possible.
    Newmont [11]
     Asian Pulp & Paper (APP). [19]
    B.C. Hazardous Waste Management Corporation (1991-92).
    Canadian Pulp and Paper Association (1992-96).
    Westcoast Energy and BC Gas (1993-1994).
    BHP Minerals (Canada) (1993-94, 1996).
    Canadian Mining Association and the Prospectors and Developers Association of Canada (1996).
    Cont:
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Reply #19 - May 3rd, 2014 at 6:06pm
 
National Association of Forest Industries (Australia), speaking tour of Australia, (1996).
    IPEX, “Canada’a largest manufacturer of PVC, to intervene in the environmental policy of the Toronto 2008 Olympic Bid”, 2001.

So basically he's a Greenpeacer who now sells himself to any Industry prepared to fill his wallet and gives them what they pay for?
 
       A reliable source?
                 I think NOT
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Reply #20 - May 3rd, 2014 at 6:29pm
 
where exactly in "this thread" do I say that all of the predictions above were from "experts" ...

do try and comprehend old boy...

some of them were, some of them were ecoloons not unlike yourself ..  Wink

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Reply #21 - May 3rd, 2014 at 6:40pm
 
True Blue... wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 6:29pm:
where exactly in "this thread" do I say that all of the predictions above were from "experts" ...

do try and comprehend old boy...

some of them were, some of them were ecoloons not unlike yourself ..  Wink


    Quibbling over mere details does not change the fact that your post was a ridiculous cut and paste job that you didn't even read yourself.   Grin
    I DO apologise, and I'll happily admit that I made the mistake of thinking that anyone quoting predictions would only consider those made by experts in the field, not Backpacker bloggers, actors and newspapers, I mean to say....newspapers???
    Are you serious? You consider the MEDIA to be serious predictors of the science of the FUTURE???
  Give me a break !
               Cheesy Grin Cheesy

   I did notice that you failed to respond to this bit of my post too
      Care to now?
    I myself am ambivalent about whether mankind has " caused" Global Warming but consider it "likely" that we have contributed to it.
  That the globe is warming I consider indisputable, but how long this will continue and how far up it will go is beyond my personal ability to predict.
    Do you personally deny that warming or is it only the anthropomorphic element that upsets and angers you so much?

    My feeling is that we should stop arguing about the cause and get on with the business of surviving it, moving our industries, infrastructure and populations to brace for the coming flood.

             How do you personally feel about that?
 
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Reply #22 - May 3rd, 2014 at 6:48pm
 
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Quibbling over mere details does not change the fact that your post was a ridiculous cut and paste job that you didn't even read yourself.   Grin


A common problem with Ol' Bluey... either gets over excited over a headline and fails to read on, or he has the comprehension skills of a retarded flea.
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Life_goes_on wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 6:48pm:
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Quibbling over mere details does not change the fact that your post was a ridiculous cut and paste job that you didn't even read yourself.   Grin


A common problem with Ol' Bluey... either gets over excited over a headline and fails to read on, or he has the comprehension skills of a retarded flea.

tonys taxes say what?????????????????????????????????????????????????????  Shocked Shocked Cheesy
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Reply #24 - May 3rd, 2014 at 7:31pm
 
  As I said in his "War on Humans" thread.............

I'm beginning to think that what you actually are is a satirist, a would-be comedian highlighting the silliness available on the Net?

   Either it's that or you're competing for the Golden Tin-hat Award?

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Reply #25 - May 3rd, 2014 at 10:17pm
 
Mattywisk wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 5:16pm:
Their has been no noticeable global warming for the past 17 years.

Tards just deal with it and stick to climate change. That happens all the time.

Time to move on with this stupid topic.


Shhhh

The ecotards don't like facts like that...

It upsets their tin hat lies....  Cheesy

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Reply #26 - May 3rd, 2014 at 10:19pm
 
Life_goes_on wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 6:48pm:
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Quibbling over mere details does not change the fact that your post was a ridiculous cut and paste job that you didn't even read yourself.   Grin


A common problem with Ol' Bluey... either gets over excited over a headline and fails to read on, or he has the comprehension skills of a retarded flea.
actually hes just a professional idiot. Hes done his mum proud.
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True Blue... wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 6:29pm:
where exactly in "this thread" do I say that all of the predictions above were from "experts" ...


If the "failed" predictions were not from experts, what is the point of discussing them?
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Reply #28 - May 3rd, 2014 at 10:28pm
 
Frances wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 10:20pm:
True Blue... wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 6:29pm:
where exactly in "this thread" do I say that all of the predictions above were from "experts" ...


If the "failed" predictions were not from experts, what is the point of discussing them?


If you had read them then you'd see that a majority were...

Then the circus of celebrities get on board and "repeat" what the lying "so called" scientists from the UN are saying...

The same celebrities that live on mansions, fly around the world in private jets and drive the biggest fuel guzzling car ever made by man kind...

And at the same time preach to you that you have to do the right thing by the "world" by building a house out of your own poo and walk to work every day rain, hail or shine...

I mean... how gullible can the western world be?

Oh yes... lets worship that man who lives in the ivory towers who is telling us that we should live in poop...

What??  Shocked
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True Blue... wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 10:28pm:
Frances wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 10:20pm:
True Blue... wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 6:29pm:
where exactly in "this thread" do I say that all of the predictions above were from "experts" ...


If the "failed" predictions were not from experts, what is the point of discussing them?


If you had read them then you'd see that a majority were...


You are pretty thick, aren't you?  Just appending a name of an organisation to a comment doesn't make the person saying it an expert.  If the person (Anthony Watts) who originally wrote the list that you copied and pasted (complete with their opening comment of "OK. Hang on to your hat!" but without acknowledgement of the source) wanted to make it obvious that most of these persons were experts, they would have provided a bit of information about them to put everything beyond any doubt.  There are a handful of familiar names there, but I would be surprised if any members of this forum are familiar with the works of Scinexx Wissenschaft Magazin, the Schleswig Holstein NABU, or a number of academics from universities, most of which few people in Australia would have heard of.  Also the quotes are taken out of context and some, which refer to predictions as to what will happen at a time that is still in the future now, are listed as failures - I mean, how can a prediction concerning what will happen between 2021 and 2050 have failed when we are only in 2014?

This list has been circulating around the internet since 2 April, and there have been a number of interesting responses to it, one of which can be found at http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2014/04/totally-bat-poo-crazy-anthony-watts.html
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