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Economists say there is no budget emergency
May 1st, 2014 at 10:25am
 


http://www.canberratimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/economists-scept...

Australia's chief economists have warned Joe Hockey not to rush the budget back to surplus, saying the urgency of the deficit was being exaggerated for political purposes.

Interviews with four chief economists at banks and financial institutions revealed a common scepticism with the “budget emergency” described by Prime Minister Tony Abbott and his Treasurer, Mr Hockey. All economists cited Australia’s “enviable” budgetary position compared to other rich countries, and none thought the speculated “deficit levy” on high income earners was an intelligent way to repair the budget.

“I don’t think you could make the case that there is a budget crisis,” said HSBC chief economist Paul Bloxham, responding to Mr Abbott’s description of the “emergency” that would force dramatic changes in the budget.

Mr Bloxham said he did not think a deficit levy on wealthy Australians was necessary “because I don’t think we need to urgently get the budget back to surplus".

“It needs to be done in the medium term,” he said, adding that he would prefer the government made structural reforms – such as broadening the base of the GST – rather than the short-term fix of a “debt tax”.

Bank of America Merrill Lynch chief economist Saul Eslake said it was important to get the deficit under control in the longer term, but there were serious risks involved in moving too quickly.

“The economy is still fairly soft. Growth is below trend,” he said. “I don’t question for a moment the seriousness of the long-term problem. But I don’t see any particular urgency about 2014-15 or 2015-16.”

On the most recent figures the Australian government’s debt is $191.5 billion, forecast to rise to more than $600 billion. The forecast deficit is $47 billion, but all economists said these figures were tiny – compared with other OECD countries – as a percentage of the overall economy.

“Most countries would be envious of Australia’s public finances as they currently stand,” said Barclays Australia chief economist Kieran Davies, who, like the other economists interviewed, believes long-term, structural changes to the economy are required rather than short-term fixes like a debt tax.

Ideas floated by the economists included abolishing negative gearing, taxing trusts like companies, broadening or raising the GST, reducing the capital gains tax discount and tightening tax breaks for high income earners’ superannuation. There was no budget urgency that would justify temporary “debt tax” rises, they said.

“We don’t need a surplus tomorrow,” said Chris Richardson, economist and partner at Deloitte Access Economics.

“We don’t even necessarily need it in five years time. I’m more than happy with us getting back to sustainable fiscal finances over the long term. “The politics would tend to suggest moving earlier rather than later but on the economics there’s no rush.”

Suprise suprise, the Libs are lying about the state of the economy.... who have thought.

Not to mention creating unfounded nervousness in the community on an almost daily basis with your "sky is falling" messages you fkin assholes!!
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Re: Economists say there is no budget emergency
Reply #1 - May 1st, 2014 at 10:52am
 
Come back to us with evidence that any of these economists predicted the GFC and we might give some credence to their opinions . . .oh, and please try and make this a clean place to live.
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Reply #2 - May 1st, 2014 at 11:53am
 
bogarde73 wrote on May 1st, 2014 at 10:52am:
Come back to us with evidence that any of these economists predicted the GFC and we might give some credence to their opinions . . .oh, and please try and make this a clean place to live.


This, if they supported what led to the GFC they have no credibility and also what school of economics do they support?
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Reply #3 - May 1st, 2014 at 11:55am
 
I happen to agree with their conclusions from my admittedly limited perspective, but...

  I read a good line once...

    The only things economists are good at is explaining why they were wrong last time
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Re: Economists say there is no budget emergency
Reply #4 - May 1st, 2014 at 12:20pm
 
austranger wrote on May 1st, 2014 at 11:55am:
I happen to agree with their conclusions from my admittedly limited perspective, but...

  I read a good line once...

    The only things economists are good at is explaining why they were wrong last time


That's reasonably accurate, particularly given that THE VAST MAJORITY OF ECONOMISTS DID NOT PICK THE GFC, BEFORE IT WAS ALREADY WELL UNDER WAY!
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Reply #5 - May 1st, 2014 at 12:42pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on May 1st, 2014 at 10:25am:
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/economists-scept...

Australia's chief economists have warned Joe Hockey not to rush the budget back to surplus, saying the urgency of the deficit was being exaggerated for political purposes.



My advice to you (fee free) is that if an economist tells you the sky is blue you should look skywards.

Quote:
Why Did Economists Not Foresee the Crisis?

CHICAGO – At the height of the financial crisis, the Queen of England asked my friends at the London School of Economics a simple question, but one for which there is no easy answer: Why did academic economists fail to foresee the crisis?

CommentsView/Create comment on this paragraphSeveral responses to that query exist. One is that economists lacked models that could account for the behavior that led to the crisis. Another is that economists were blinkered by an ideology according to which a free and unfettered market could do no wrong. Finally, an answer that is gaining ground is that the system bribed economists to stay silent.

[...]

http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/why-did-economists-not-foresee-the-c...

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Reply #6 - May 1st, 2014 at 12:54pm
 

I'ld prefer to NOT wait till an emergency status arrives before taking affirmative action.
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Reply #7 - May 1st, 2014 at 1:19pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on May 1st, 2014 at 12:20pm:
That's reasonably accurate, particularly given that THE VAST MAJORITY OF ECONOMISTS DID NOT PICK THE GFC, BEFORE IT WAS ALREADY WELL UNDER WAY!


The Austrian and Chicago schools did, it was obvious due to their basic market principles.....while they had mass main stream media ridicule, hell even that semi-Austrian gold bug Peter Schiff was right:



The reason why they try to excuse it IMO is because they all benefit from bigger government, especially those banks being bailed out yet it's Economists from major banks making the above statements in the OP.
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Reply #8 - May 1st, 2014 at 1:30pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on May 1st, 2014 at 12:20pm:

That's reasonably accurate, particularly given that THE VAST MAJORITY OF ECONOMISTS DID NOT PICK THE GFC, BEFORE IT WAS ALREADY WELL UNDER WAY!
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Actually that is incorrect, there were plenty of warnings by economists. I personally dramatically reduced all debt and bailed out of the share market due to these warnings.
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Reply #9 - May 1st, 2014 at 1:42pm
 
ian wrote on May 1st, 2014 at 1:30pm:
perceptions_now wrote on May 1st, 2014 at 12:20pm:

That's reasonably accurate, particularly given that THE VAST MAJORITY OF ECONOMISTS DID NOT PICK THE GFC, BEFORE IT WAS ALREADY WELL UNDER WAY!
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Actually that is incorrect, there were plenty of warnings by economists. I personally dramatically reduced all debt and bailed out of the share market due to these warnings.


On that point, there are a lot of property managers, Insurance guys/gals and economists talking about our unsustainable property bubble that from what I've seen is played down in the news.
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Reply #10 - May 1st, 2014 at 1:46pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 1st, 2014 at 12:54pm:
I'ld prefer to NOT wait till an emergency status arrives before taking affirmative action.



agreed. Australia had the best economy in the world all the time ignoring advice by economists that debt and deficit were okay.  Economists don't impress me.  They are wrong at leat half the time therefore making their predictions just as esily decided by a coin toss.
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Reply #11 - May 1st, 2014 at 1:48pm
 
Vuk11 wrote on May 1st, 2014 at 1:42pm:
ian wrote on May 1st, 2014 at 1:30pm:
perceptions_now wrote on May 1st, 2014 at 12:20pm:

That's reasonably accurate, particularly given that THE VAST MAJORITY OF ECONOMISTS DID NOT PICK THE GFC, BEFORE IT WAS ALREADY WELL UNDER WAY!
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Actually that is incorrect, there were plenty of warnings by economists. I personally dramatically reduced all debt and bailed out of the share market due to these warnings.


On that point, there are a lot of property managers, Insurance guys/gals and economists talking about our unsustainable property bubble that from what I've seen is played down in the news.

I cant see it. Some areas are way overpriced but that happens in any market. Land value is the issue acress the broad market which is driving increases and I cant see the price of land going down any time soon or at all.
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Reply #12 - May 1st, 2014 at 1:52pm
 

There was NEVER a budget 'emergency' till Hockey and Abbott got their lying hands on it.

And if I hear either of those assholes claim just once more that it's due to 'Labor's mess, Labor's waste'....

That is a flat-out lie, and it's about time the sonsofbitches were called-out over it.
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Reply #13 - May 1st, 2014 at 1:59pm
 
Kat wrote on May 1st, 2014 at 1:52pm:
There was NEVER a budget 'emergency' till Hockey and Abbott got their lying hands on it.

And if I hear either of those assholes claim just once more that it's due to 'Labor's mess, Labor's waste'....

That is a flat-out lie, and it's about time the sonsofbitches were called-out over it.


Grin Grin Grin GrinAnd if I hear either of those assholes claim just once more that it's due to 'Labor's mess, Labor's waste'....


What will you do?  STAMP YOUR LITTLE FEET PUDDY CAT Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #14 - May 1st, 2014 at 2:28pm
 
teddybear wrote on May 1st, 2014 at 1:59pm:
Kat wrote on May 1st, 2014 at 1:52pm:
There was NEVER a budget 'emergency' till Hockey and Abbott got their lying hands on it.

And if I hear either of those assholes claim just once more that it's due to 'Labor's mess, Labor's waste'....

That is a flat-out lie, and it's about time the sonsofbitches were called-out over it.


Grin Grin Grin GrinAnd if I hear either of those assholes claim just once more that it's due to 'Labor's mess, Labor's waste'....


What will you do?  STAMP YOUR LITTLE FEET PUDDY CAT Grin Grin Grin Grin




yep it is the only thing he ever does on here.  stamp his feet and hold his breath until he turns blue.
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