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Apr 30^th, 2014 at 5:50pm

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Death row inmate dies from apparent heart attack after botched lethal injection in Oklahoma

A prisoner has died of an apparent heart attack in the United States after a botched lethal injection.

Convicted murderer Clayton Lockett was due to be executed in an Oklahoma prison, but 13 minutes after the dose was administered he lifted his head and started mumbling...

...Lockett died less than half an hour later, apparently from a massive heart attack.

The execution had been put on hold for several weeks due to a legal fight over a new cocktail of chemicals for the lethal injection, with lawyers arguing the state was withholding crucial information about the drugs to be used.

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Last week, the Oklahoma Supreme Court lifted stays of execution for Lockett and another inmate, saying the state had provided them with enough information about the lethal injection cocktail to meet constitutional requirements.

The other inmate, Charles Warner, who was scheduled to be put to death two hours after Lockett, has been granted a 14-day stay of execution after the problems, Mr Massie said.

The troubled execution is expected to have national implications, with lawyers for death row inmates arguing the drug combinations used in Oklahoma and other states could cause undue suffering and violate constitutional protections against cruel and unusual punishment.

"This could be a real turning point in the whole debate as people get disgusted by this sort of thing," said Richard Dieter, executive director of the Death Penalty Information Centre, which monitors capital punishment.

"This might lead to a halt in executions until states can prove they can do it without problems. Someone was killed tonight by incompetence."

Inmate's body was 'bucking' during execution

The state blocked off the scene from witnesses a few minutes after the troubles started by drawing a curtain on the execution chamber.

But witness Ziva Branstetter told broadcaster MSNBC that Lockett had thrashed about and appeared to be in pain.

"His body was sort of bucking. He was clenching his jaw. Several times he mumbled phrases that were largely unintelligible," she said.

Oklahoma had set up a new lethal injection procedure and cocktail of chemicals earlier this year after it was no longer able to obtain the drugs it had once used for executions.

Oklahoma and other states have been scrambling to find new suppliers and chemical combinations after drug makers, mostly in Europe, imposed sales bans because they objected to having medications made for other purposes being used in lethal injections.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-30/oklahoma-halts-execution-but-inmate-dies-o...

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Reply #1 - Apr 30^th, 2014 at 6:29pm

True Colours wrote on Apr 30^th, 2014 at 5:50pm:

Death row inmate dies from apparent heart attack after botched lethal injection in Oklahoma

A prisoner has died of an apparent heart attack in the United States after a botched lethal injection.

Convicted murderer Clayton Lockett was due to be executed.....

Its a tragedy.

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Reply #2 - May 1^st, 2014 at 5:55am

I don't understand how they could botch it.
If vets have got lethal injections down pat for pets, how come doctors can't manage it for people? Maybe they should hand the job over to a vet, and the person would be gone peacefully, in seconds.

Not that I am a big fan of execution in any form, but if I had to pick one, I would have thought lethal injection should have been the most humane method.

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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: Barbaric Execution Unfolds In US Reply #3 - May 1^st, 2014 at 5:58am Barbaric is the only word for it.
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Barbaric Execution Unfolds In US Reply #4 - May 1^st, 2014 at 6:05am Peter Freedman wrote on May 1^st, 2014 at 5:58am: Barbaric is the only word for it. He shot a young girl and watched as she was buried alive. Is that barbaric? Scum deserve nothing but death.
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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: Barbaric Execution Unfolds In US Reply #5 - May 1^st, 2014 at 7:41am I read about his crime and wondered if there may have been an intended accident. Or perhaps we need to rethink Karma.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 109304 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Barbaric Execution Unfolds In US Reply #6 - May 1^st, 2014 at 8:00am That's why they should hang em high in public.
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King FriYAY II Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2109	Re: Barbaric Execution Unfolds In US Reply #7 - May 1^st, 2014 at 9:23am Just bloody shoot the sick pricks.
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Reply #8 - May 1^st, 2014 at 10:07am

Bobby. wrote on May 1^st, 2014 at 8:00am:

That's why they should hang em high in public.

No argument from me bobby.

Convicted murderers should be publicly executed, imo. [hanging, shooting, garrotting, beheading.]

I have a bit of spare time on my hands.

What if the individual is innocent, but they were convicted ?

That is the responsibility of the criminal justice system, imo.

The innocent blood is on the governing authority's hands.

Gone to God.

What about forgiveness ?

If they confess, they can live the rest of their life, in goal, contemplating, meditating, on their mistake.

If they truly repent their crime, God will forgive them.

Luke 5:21
And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?

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Reply #9 - May 1^st, 2014 at 10:19am

sherri wrote on May 1^st, 2014 at 5:55am:

I don't understand how they could botch it.
If vets have got lethal injections down pat for pets, how come doctors can't manage it for people? Maybe they should hand the job over to a vet, and the person would be gone peacefully, in seconds.

Not that I am a big fan of execution in any form, but if I had to pick one, I would have thought lethal injection should have been the most humane method.

Sherri Euthanising small animals is fairly effective but once you get to larger animals it most certainly is not fool proof.

I have witnessed a few occasions with different Vets where Green Dreaming has failed in a spectacular fashion.

2 Horses and a large breed dog all came back from the dead after being chemically euthanised and it all seems to be a matter of weight.

As adult humans tend to weigh over 50KG I feel the process is far from foolproof and in the quest for the most politically correct termination of life the effectiveness of the "Solution" is very much in question.

That said im not fussed of death row inmates are treated less than humanely although I feel that a bullet would be more effective.

The USA has a long and sordid history of cocking up executions when several highly effective methods exist.

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Barbaric Execution Unfolds In US Reply #10 - May 1^st, 2014 at 12:10pm carefully placed bullet in the back of the head just above c1 vertabrae = instant death.
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Reply #11 - May 1^st, 2014 at 12:22pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 1^st, 2014 at 6:05am:

Peter Freedman wrote on May 1^st, 2014 at 5:58am:

Barbaric is the only word for it.

He shot a young girl and watched as she was buried alive.
Is that barbaric?

Scum deserve nothing but death.

Yes, it is barbaric.

So was the murder of Steve Biko.

He wasn't "scum" but the South African police still killed him.

Legally sanctioned killing is also barbaric, as are the nations that sanction it.

Barbaric also are those that support it, including some on this forum who claim to be Christian.

Thou shalt not kill?

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Reply #12 - May 1^st, 2014 at 12:38pm

sherri wrote on May 1^st, 2014 at 5:55am:

I don't understand how they could botch it.

If vets have got lethal injections down pat for pets, how come doctors can't manage it for people? Maybe they should hand the job over to a vet, and the person would be gone peacefully, in seconds.

I shouldn't laugh. I apologise.

I've been 'euthanased' about 10 times so far, before the doctors would stick a knife into me for some reason.

"Count backwards from 10". I don't think I ever got to 6 or 5. What a way to go. They would then only need to pump some Nembutal into my veins for me to make a permanent departure from this mortal coil.

What I read a few months ago was that there was a shortage of the lethal cocktail from China, and they were 'experimenting' with different and cheaper alternatives from within the US.

It might be time they abandoned the death penalty if this sort of gross incompetence is likely to continue.

Or barring that, just employ a big fat Irish cop from New York to strangle the guy into unconsciousness before finishing him off.

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Reply #13 - May 1^st, 2014 at 12:41pm

Bobby. wrote on May 1^st, 2014 at 8:00am:

That's why they should hang em high in public.

So which is a quicker death, hanging or beheading? Hangings are nice and neat for spectators - no nasty blood to nauseate the crowds ain't it?

Oklahoma death penalty: Governor vows to continue carrying out executions

The governor of Oklahoma has vowed to continue carrying out death penalties despite a botched execution yesterday.

Convicted murderer Clayton Lockett was due to be executed by lethal injection in prison, but 13 minutes after the dose was administered he lifted his head and started mumbling.

The execution was halted but Lockett died less than 30 minutes later, apparently from a massive heart attack.

Governor Mary Fallin has defended the death penalty...

'We were not allowed to see what was happening'

A dozen members of the local media were invited to witness his execution which began at 6:23pm (local time).

"At 6:34:55 Lockett's still breathing," Local news editor Lis Exon said - reading from her notes.

"Then at 6:36 he mumbled something and it sounds like 'something's wrong'.

"During this time he is lifting his whole upper shoulders and head off the gurney and writhing and is clearly in distress."

Several minutes later the shades were brought down on the windows to the execution room.

"We're not just reporters at that point, we are witnesses to a state-sanctioned execution and we were not allowed to see what was happening behind that shade," Ms Exon said.

"We were all incredulous and I was shaking."

The director of corrections told them they had a vein failure, later explained as Lockett's "vein blowing".

Officially, Lockett died of a "massive heart attack" after more than 40 minutes.

Another prisoner, Charles Warner, has had his execution stayed for a fortnight.

Ms Fallin is adamant his sentence will be carried out...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-01/oklahoma-governor-vows-to-continue-carrying-out-death-penalties/5422598

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Barbaric Execution Unfolds In US Reply #14 - May 1^st, 2014 at 12:41pm Peter Freedman wrote on May 1^st, 2014 at 5:58am: Barbaric is the only word for it. What was 'barbaric'? It wasn't intentional.
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