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Reply #105 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 2:22pm

OldnCrusty wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 1:57pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 1^st, 2014 at 7:03am:

No doubt Hellenes argued about the details or the 'truth' of their mythical Heroes, gods and demigods too!

The ANZAC legend is a myth, (a 'noble lie', to be bluntly Platonic), with the whole truth being incidental.

That's what myths are made of... And this myth has it all... A kernel (Colonel?) of truth, with an amalgam of fantasy, idealism, nostalgia and a glorified sense of national self at an (almost magical and totally unpredictable) right measure to create the vast edifice that is 'The ANZAC' and, by that, us.

But such a national myth, so forged, is a sacred and rare gift... To be nurtured, as it Heroes, unlike 'we who are left grow old', themselves grow ever greater, more sacred and ever immortal.

England has many such myths... Elizabeth I (Gloriana) for instance, whose supposedly most famous speech that defined her greatness and immortalised English resolve against the Spanish, was written and attributed to her after her death... Does that matter to the legend of her reign? Of course not!

Great myths are forged in Heaven, by gods, as consolations to mortals!

That outburst begs the question; what do you think the myth is?

What do I think the [ANZAC] myth is?

The legend of 'us' that triggers within us a complex emotional and idealised sense of ourselves as fearless, courageous, heroic and decent.

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Reply #107 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 2:26pm

I always believed a myth was something that happened a long time ago that isn't true. Gallipoli is true. The facts are recorded for those who really want to know. There are great books and docos etc. The government has never hidden the dirty details. If there is a myth it's the way Gallipoli is projected through the media. The dirty details are never discussed and an overriding projection of nationhood is overused. Did you know that the men got sick because flies were crawling over the dead and then landing on the mens food. Dysentery became rampant. They dug slip trenches for toilets and men were so weak some drowned in these slip trenches. Another Myth is how returned soldiers were seen as heroes. No true. Many men lost their wives, jobs etc. They didn't get proper support and some ended up living on the streets. If Gallipoli was properly projected on ANZAC Day through the media it wouldn't be a pleasant experience,

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Reply #108 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 2:40pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 2:22pm:

The legend of 'us' that triggers within us a complex emotional and idealised sense of ourselves as fearless, courageous, heroic and decent.

So you think the Anzac weren't that or is it that we are not that now (or at least aspire to those ideals).

Mind you, I agree with your observations of the legend but would also add mateship, loyalty, service, realising that we are Australians and not British, self reliance, innovative, not subservient, and we bundy on and we bundy off (we know when to be super serious and we know when to chill out and not take ourselves too seriously).

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Reply #109 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 3:02pm

OldnCrusty wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 2:40pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 2:22pm:

The legend of 'us' that triggers within us a complex emotional and idealised sense of ourselves as fearless, courageous, heroic and decent.

So you think the Anzac weren't that or is it that we are not that now (or at least aspire to those ideals).

I don't think the ANZACs would have thought of themselves as anything like we imagine them... They weren't 'Grecian demigods' back then.

OldnCrusty wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 2:40pm:

Mind you, I agree with your observations of the legend but would also add mateship, loyalty, service, realising that we are Australians and not British, self reliance, innovative, not subservient, and we bundy on and we bundy off (we know when to be super serious and we know when to chill out and not take ourselves too seriously).

And so the function of myth is to cystalise all that we imagine ourselves to be into a narrative.

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