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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52702 At my desk.	Re: local Muslim celebrates ANZAC day Reply #15 - Apr 27^th, 2014 at 6:19pm So how many war heroes did you insult on ANZAC day Karnal?
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Reply #16 - Apr 27^th, 2014 at 8:28pm

freediver wrote on Apr 27^th, 2014 at 1:57pm:

If you truly believed this, wouldn't you think twice about calling our troops deluded stooges on ANZAC day?

What I say is neither disrespectful or crossing any sacrosanct boundary - ANZAC day or not. You are just invoking an hysterical and irrational method of argument for the dual purpose of avoiding the merits of my actual argument and demonizing muslims.

freediver wrote on Apr 27^th, 2014 at 1:57pm:

see. By 'the western world' I obviously meant SE Asia. You still have not clarified whether English is your second language.

Yes, how silly of me to think that you might actually post something that was relevant to the passage you were replying too.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #17 - Apr 27^th, 2014 at 9:18pm

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What I say is neither disrespectful or crossing any sacrosanct boundary

There are no sacrosanct boundaries. You are a free man Gandalf. But I dare you to tell a WWII vet to his face that he was deluded for thinking he was defending our freedom. Preferably with the cameras rolling Wink

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You are just invoking an hysterical and irrational method of argument

What is this method? Highlighting your arrogance and self delusion?

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for the dual purpose of avoiding the merits of my actual argument and demonizing muslims.

Ah yes, I mustn't criticise the idiotic things Gandalf says. That's demonising muslims. That's bigoted.

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Yes, how silly of me to think that you might actually post something that was relevant to the passage you were replying too.

You brought it up. I never said SE Asia was some beacon of freedom and democracy. This is another one of those things that I did not actually say, but you still know I said. This never turns out well for you Gandalf.

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Reply #18 - Apr 27^th, 2014 at 9:39pm

freediver wrote on Apr 27^th, 2014 at 9:18pm:

What is this method? Highlighting your arrogance and self delusion?

Taking a perfectly reasonable opinion about our wars not being about fighting for freedom and democracy - and creating a thread out of it called "local Muslim celebrates ANZAC day".

By the way, who 'celebrates' ANZAC day anyway?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52702 At my desk.	Re: local Muslim celebrates ANZAC day Reply #19 - Apr 27^th, 2014 at 9:54pm Would you believe I invented that technique all by myself? It's already a meme.
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Melanias purse Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 101254	Re: local Muslim celebrates ANZAC day Reply #20 - Apr 27^th, 2014 at 11:10pm freediver wrote on Apr 27^th, 2014 at 6:19pm: So how many war heroes did you insult on ANZAC day Karnal? Oh, just myself, FD. You? I blame Islam.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52702 At my desk.	Re: local Muslim celebrates ANZAC day Reply #21 - Apr 28^th, 2014 at 12:24pm Me? No idea. I'm still not sure whether Gandalf is a war hero. He won't tell me about his ANZAC spirit. I know they don't don't like to admit how much fun it was.
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Reply #23 - Apr 28^th, 2014 at 1:13pm

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 12:24pm:

Me? No idea. I'm still not sure whether Gandalf is a war hero. He won't tell me about his ANZAC spirit. I know they don't don't like to admit how much fun it was.

I'm sure there are a lot of vets who would be digusted and insulted by the sort of wedge dog-whistling games you are playing. If they really believe they were fighting for our freedom, I'm sure they weren't thinking of the freedom to demonize an entire group and attempt to drive a wedge through our society.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #24 - Apr 28^th, 2014 at 4:46pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on Apr 26^th, 2014 at 5:10pm:

How exactly did Winston Churchill sending thousands of ANZACs (and Turks) to their deaths on a beach in Turkey defend my right to sleep safely at night?

And for that matter, how exactly did John Winston Howard condemning hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians to their deaths defend my right to sleep safely at night?

Corporate interests using young men as cannon fodder to further their business interests does not defend my right to sleep safely at night. This is the lesson we need to learn from ANZAC.

Lots of interesting views in this thread. Interestingly, those who oppose such views as rabbitoh's here are able to argue their point without resorting to demonizing the poster as an arrogant freedom-hating muslim.

Food for thought eh...

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #25 - Apr 28^th, 2014 at 5:42pm

I know. FD's even tarred me with the war hero-insulter brush.

I'm not sure how, but it must have something to do with me sullying the purity of ANZAC Day with scandalous posts like this:

Melanias purse wrote on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 1:43pm:

Happy Anzac Day, FD. Are you having a party to celebrate?

I wonder if I'll get sent a white feather in the post. FD really does love Freedom so.

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Reply #26 - Apr 28^th, 2014 at 10:01pm

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I'm sure there are a lot of vets who would be digusted and insulted by the sort of wedge dog-whistling games you are playing.

Go find one then. Explain to them they they were deluded if they thought they were fighting for our freedom and ask them to get all upset about me quoting you. You can even share your ANZAC spirit with them. I bet they'd love that.

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If they really believe they were fighting for our freedom, I'm sure they weren't thinking of the freedom to demonize an entire group and attempt to drive a wedge through our society.

Freedom of speech means the right to say something you might not like.

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Reply #27 - Apr 28^th, 2014 at 10:42pm

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 10:01pm:

You can even share your ANZAC spirit with them. I bet they'd love that.

Do you think 'sharing the ANZAC spirit' consists of old diggers talking about all the freedom they fought for?

I give them more credit than that. Mostly they would think about the mates they fought with and for and all the ones they lost.

A great many, I daresay, would lament the wastefulness of war and the importance of avoiding it.

Very few if any of them would engage in the sort of BS Churchillian jingoistic chest beating that you drone on with. They would despise such nonsense. They would probably implore the likes of you to learn about what war is really about.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #28 - Apr 29^th, 2014 at 12:50pm

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Do you think 'sharing the ANZAC spirit' consists of old diggers talking about all the freedom they fought for?

You tell me Gandalf.

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To you I'm just a faceless freedom-hating muslim who is a complete alien to our culture and Anzac spirit.

What does 'our' ANZAC spirit mean to you? Did you google ANZAC day before posting here so you knew what you were talking about?

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Very few if any of them would engage in the sort of BS Churchillian jingoistic chest beating that you drone on with.

That's because no-one would be stupid enough to suggest they are deluded for thinking they were defending our freedoms. There only seems to be a need to discuss issues like freedom when Muslims are around.

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They would despise such nonsense. They would probably implore the likes of you to learn about what war is really about.

Economic hegemony?

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Melanias purse Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 101254	Re: local Muslim celebrates ANZAC day Reply #29 - Apr 29^th, 2014 at 2:40pm freediver wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 12:50pm: Quote: They would despise such nonsense. They would probably implore the likes of you to learn about what war is really about. Economic hegemony? Ah.
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