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Initially, Mehmet Biber's Facebook posts were like any young Australian his age.

''Going to daa footy show watch me on ch 9 TONIGHT'' he posted in April 2010, followed by Xbox results and soccer scores.

Gradually, however, the things that mattered to the Turkish-Australian from Merrylands appeared to change.

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Aziz Araz, a Turkish-Australian man from Melbourne. Photo: Supplied

In March last year, he shared details of a seminar in Granville called ''Syria We Hear Your Cries''.

Months later, he had posted a talk by the terrorist cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, who was killed by a US drone in 2011, pictures of bloodied children in Syria and fanatical religious thoughts.

''Oh Muslims, wake up from the delusion of this temporary world,'' he wrote in October. ''Wake up to the reality that your sisters are being killed and raped in front of there [sic] children and husbands, children being blown up by jets and helicopters, men being humiliated like dogs, then slaughtered like cattle. What will our reply be to Allah on that day?''

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Lebanese-Australian man Zaky Mallah, from Parramatta, who travelled to the Syrian frontline in 2012.

Then, between June and July this year, Biber allegedly travelled to Syria to fight with terrorist forces against President Bashar al-Assad's regime.

Police allege he was one of six Sydney men sent to the battleground by disability pensioner Hamdi Alqudsi, 39, who was arrested on Tuesday and charged under foreign incursion laws.

Biber, however, is not Syrian. Nor is his family, nor is Alqudsi or the other five men he allegedly sent to the frontline, a mix of young Somali, Anglo-Saxon, Lebanese and Turkish Australians with no prior convictions.

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Sheikh Mustapha Al Majzoub (circled) from Sydney, who was killed in a rocket attack. Photo: Supplied

Their case has exposed a concerning trend in Australia whereby young, Australian-born Muslims are becoming so passionate - some would say radical - that they feel compelled to do something about the Syrian conflict despite having no connection to it.

''Very few of the people who are getting involved in the Syrian conflict actually have personal or family ties to the country,'' says Assistant Commissioner Peter Dein of the NSW Counter Terrorism Squad, who confirms there are several more ''active investigations'' into Australians being recruited to the Syrian war.

Since the conflict began, about 100 Australians, mostly Lebanese-Australian dual citizens, have travelled to fight, and many more have become embroiled in sectarian violence at home.

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Kickboxer Roger Abbas, killed in cross-fire in Syria. Photo: Supplied

Six have died, although it has only strengthened the resolve of others.

''You wake up one morning and a cup of coffee no longer tastes like coffee. It feels like it has been disturbed with blood,'' says Lebanese-Australian Zaky Mallah, 29, who travelled from Parramatta to Syria last year to carry out aid work.

''That's the beginning. When you want to eat, you no longer think of how good the food is. You're working, but you don't feel the work any more. You reach the point where you just want to book a flight and go there.''

Mallah had barely travelled abroad when he sold his car, bought a ticket to Turkey and met some Free Syrian Army soldiers by chance in a hotel.

That night, he crossed the border with them and spent three weeks on the frontline watching - but not participating in, he insists - the battle.

''Sitting at home and seeing the number of people being killed by the barbaric Assad regime, seeing the displaced refugees, seeing the atrocities - I just couldn't do nothing. I couldn't as a human being, I couldn't as a Muslim.''

Lebanon and Syria have a history of hostility but social media and the emergence of extremist groups in Sydney have led many young Australians to view it as a cause to die for.

Graphic photos, YouTube footage, news reports and provocative lectures have been shared around the world on social media.

The Facebook pages of young Australian Muslims reveal footage of children being slaughtered, diatribes against ''Salafi dogs'' and pictures of machineguns and swords.

''A lot of young Australians tune in so easily to cyberspace to hear fatwas, to hear sheikhs in Saudi Arabia and Egypt saying, 'young men, this is your duty, this is your opportunity','' says Australian Arabic Council founder Joseph Wakim.

''They see graphic images of their brothers and sisters being killed. It's understandable that there's this continuum; they have a pre-existing dislike for the Syrian government, plus the graphic images, plus the voices of these revered leaders and suddenly they're at the airport saying, 'I'm going over to do humanitarian work'.''

Most of the six Australians to die in Syria travelled via Turkey, with the intention of carrying out aid work.

Few told their families. (Mallah says their parents' generation are ''old school'' and, having escaped war in Lebanon, would not understand their children's desire to join it.) ...........

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Reply #1 - Apr 18^th, 2014 at 6:06pm

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........Few told their families. (Mallah says their parents' generation are ''old school'' and, having escaped war in Lebanon, would not understand their children's desire to join it.)

Yusuf Toprakkaya, 30, wandered along the border until he found a group willing to smuggle him into the war zone, where he was reportedly trained as a marksman and bomb maker. He died from sniper-fire.

A documentary on Roger Abbas, 23, from Melbourne, found that he went to Syria to do aid work but became involved with terrorist group Jubhat Al Nusra.

All six were under the age of 30 and mostly of Turkish and Lebanese background.

The typical Australian ''global jihadist'' is young, unmarried, socially marginalised and economically disadvantaged, said the University of Western Sydney's Dr Jan Ali, who is researching the radicalisation of Muslim youth.

''They don't consider themselves restricted to a particular country; they see themselves as part of the global ummah [Islamic nation],'' he said. ''Islam brings them together, not Syria.''

The emergence of controversial and conservative Muslim groups in Sydney, such as Bankstown's Al Risalah community centre, the pan-Islamic political organisation Hizb ut-Tahrir and the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama'ah Association, which runs several mosques and the Bukhari House bookstore and prayer hall in Auburn, has created fear that young people are being indoctrinated.

A recent lecture by Sheikh Abu Sulayman at Al Risalah called on the audience of mostly young men to give their ''wealth and blood'' to the Syrian cause.

Hizb ut-Tahrir launched a campaign in support for Alqudsi on Wednesday and helped raise $10,000 for his bail.

A youth worker and director of the Forum on Australia's Islamic Relations, Kuranda Seyit, expressed concern over the brainwashing of young men.

''The youth I work with are generally naive and unassuming and get enticed to join groups that share a common brotherhood. Once they join, they get caught up in more serious topics about politics and issues around ''us and them'', so then there is the potential for a sort of ghost-train ride towards dangerous and irreversible decisions that lead to a person finding themselves in … a conflict they have no understanding of.''

Police have described Australians travelling to Syria as a ''game-changer'' for national security because of the risk of bringing skills, knowledge and radicalised views back home.

The 100 believed to have fought in Syria far exceeds the highest estimates of Australian jihadists involved in previous overseas conflicts, Monash University terrorism researcher, Andrew Zammit, said.

He puts the surge in Australian involvement down to three factors: Lebanon's historical links to jihadist activity in Australia and to hostility with Syria, the ease of access into Syria and the conflict's broad appeal, which is bolstered by widespread outrage over continual massacres and international inaction.

The federal government is cracking down, in the past financial year, ASIO confiscated the passports of 18 people suspected of travelling for terrorist purposes, the largest number in any year.

However, Australian Federal Police Deputy Commissioner National Security, Peter Drennan, admits it is difficult to stop someone leaving the country, and to gather intelligence once they are in Syria.

Ali says the Muslim community also needs to do a better job of policing itself.

''Generally, in my experience, the most popular sheikhs are the ones who capitalise on their charisma and are less subjective in their understanding of Islam,'' he said. ''The sheikhs who have a tendency to encourage jihad are not well conversed with Islamic teaching. What's missing is education. It's the blind leading the blind, and it takes generations to eradicate that.''

http://www.smh.com.au/national/emotions-run-high-for-australias-muslim-youth-ris...

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Reply #3 - Apr 18^th, 2014 at 6:58pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 6:06pm:

A documentary on Roger Abbas, 23, from Melbourne, found that he went to Syria to do aid work but became involved with terrorist group Jubhat Al Nusra.

That is always 'the line' from the moslem community [wherever].

This LIE, this blatant FALSEHOOD, is spoken so as to engender sympathy and respect towards the 'typically' 'noble' and 'altruistic' 'moslem man', among those who are observing the moslem community - from the outside.

But the truth is that the moslem community are, yet again, simply playing their deceitful game - with us.

The moslem camp always, projects the perception [to those who are not moslems], that moslems must truly be virtuous people.

"Muslims are one ummah (community)

to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."
Ishaq:231

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Yadda wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 1:47pm:

From what i know, from my study, of ISLAM's own texts, and doctrines, i would confidently make this statement;

Every good moslem in Australia [and indeed, every good moslem on the planet], by **self declaring** as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems.

Every moslem!

Every non-moslem should be aware and recognise, that ISLAM is in fact, a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against ALL non-moslems ['unbelievers'].

And in my estimation, every good moslem **does understand** what his/her **religious** OBLIGATION is, to ISLAM, and to fellow moslems.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: islamics in australia Reply #4 - Apr 18^th, 2014 at 9:17pm we should be subsidising their airfares back there.
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Reply #5 - Apr 19^th, 2014 at 12:56am

ian wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 9:17pm:

we should be subsidising their airfares back there.

What ?

Moslems generally, so as to encourage moslems to leave Australia ?

Bugger that! [....and i suggest that you enquire if Karnal will assist you, in that]

AN ALTERNATIVE;

We [Australians] should have a serious conversation,

among ourselves, about, and exploring, what ISLAM is, and examining and truthfully scrutinising what it is, that ISLAM is promoting and encouraging in the world.

Then, subsequent to that conversation, among ourselves, hopefully [ha ha ha!] our national community could come to a national agreement that ISLAM and the societal 'values' which ISLAM promotes, are NOT compatible with the societal values that the majority of we Australians aspire to [...e.g. political freedom, and a political system which stresses the importance of political truth, and the importance of a functioning justice system [based upon truthful and fearless scrutiny] ].

And thereafter, we should seek to have our politicians bring forward legislation in our Australian parliament, to proscribe [ban] the membership of any ISLAMIC group - within Australia.

'Moslems' who are in Australia, and who are willing to publicly renounce ISLAM, can stay, and remain in Australia.

OR, if they are unwilling to renounce ISLAM, moslems can arrange to leave Australia, under their own steam.

And there should be serious penalties [e.g. decades in a remote desert goal, and subsequent expulsion from Australia], for any persons who trespass against such laws [those laws which declare ISLAM to be a proscribed group] and are members of an underground ISLAMIC group, within Australia.

Why so ?

Why put such onerous encumbrances upon persons who desire to be 'moslems' - within Australia ?

#1,
I for one, do not like ISLAM!

And if some persons,
1/ want to embrace ISLAM, and
2/ want to be moslems, and
3/ want to 'practise' ISLAM,
...then those persons can do it in another country [as far as possible away from me and mine], as far as i am concerned!

#2,
And another reason, as stated above, imo, ISLAM and the societal 'values' which ISLAM promotes, are totally incompatible with the 'societal values' that the majority of we Australians, aspire to.

#3,
In a modern world sense, ISLAM can be defined, essentially, as a vicious, evil, fascist political philosophy.

ISLAM is a political philosophy which [it can be demonstrated!] uses common age-old political 'mechanisms' [like lying, deception, intimidation, and extreme violence], in seeking to pursue its [ISLAM's] political aims.

And in the area of 'deception', where moslems are resident in Western nations, moslems are using their community 'status', as members of a religion, as a shield [and as a cloak] which moslems cynically use, to protect themselves [and their community], from legitimate scrutiny and legitimate censure by outside organisations and individuals.

IMO, ISLAM is an extremely deceitful and extremely violent political philosophy,
.....which is masquerading as a justice based religion.

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Am i mistaken, about ISLAM, and moslems ?

Prove me wrong.

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What type of conduct - principally - does ISLAM promote and encourage in the world ?

'Read it and weep!'...........

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40929 Gender:	Re: islamics in australia Reply #6 - Apr 19^th, 2014 at 10:51am ian wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 9:17pm: we should be subsidising their airfares back there. Good idea. A one way trip, the tax payer would be ok with that. Any 'disaffected' muzzie can go too. One way, no backsies.
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Reply #7 - Apr 19^th, 2014 at 4:37pm

I love the last bit:
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''Generally, in my experience, the most popular sheikhs are the ones who capitalise on their charisma and are less subjective in their understanding of Islam,'' he said. ''The sheikhs who have a tendency to encourage jihad are not well conversed with Islamic teaching. What's missing is education. It's the blind leading the blind, and it takes generations to eradicate that.''

I wonder what they would make of the following hadi'th and the official islamic explanation?

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10. Ibn Umar (رضي الله عنهما) narrates: I heard the Messenger of Allah (صلي الله عليه وسلم) saying, “If you trade in each, and follow the tails of cows, and became content with being farmers, and ignored jihad, Allah will impose on you a humiliation that would not be taken away until you go back to your religion.” (Abu Dawud - Authentic)

The meaning of the hadith is that if people ignore jihad because of their involvement in agriculture and similar affairs, Allah (سبحانه وتعالى) will unleash upon them their enemies which would bring them humiliation which cannot be eliminated unless they go back to what is a duty upon them to start with and that is jihad against the non-believers, and being harsh and rough on them, and establishing religion to give Islam and its followers victory and to raise the word of Allah high and to humiliate disbelief and its followers. This hadith shows that leaving jihad is leaving Islam because the Messenger of Allah (صلي الله عليه وسلم) said: “until you go back to your religion.”

It's very clear that muhammad told muslims that islam is a religion solely of jihad, you leave jihad you leave islam.

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22210 A cat with a view	Re: islamics in australia Reply #9 - Apr 19^th, 2014 at 7:21pm True Colours wrote on Apr 19^th, 2014 at 7:12pm: These Muslims helping to liberate oppressed people around the world...perhaps they should be more like Christians - funding dictators and building weapons of mass destruction? Weak. Is that the best argument ya got!
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Reply #10 - Apr 19^th, 2014 at 8:44pm

True Colours wrote on Apr 19^th, 2014 at 7:12pm:

These Muslims helping to liberate oppressed people around the world...perhaps they should be more like Christians - funding dictators and building weapons of mass destruction?

Pound for pound, Islam is the champion of oppression. I can't think of one single Islamic jurisdiction that is not oppressive. Islam (Submission) is by definition authoritarian and dictatorial. It is THE opposite of freedom.
It is prescriptive of every aspect of life. Freedom and Islam are contradictions.

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Reply #11 - Apr 19^th, 2014 at 9:10pm

Soren wrote on Apr 19^th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

True Colours wrote on Apr 19^th, 2014 at 7:12pm:

These Muslims helping to liberate oppressed people around the world...perhaps they should be more like Christians - funding dictators and building weapons of mass destruction?

And you’ve never thought of signing up, old boy?

Shurely shome mishtake.

Don’t worry, dear. I have a feeling the application’s in the post.

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Reply #12 - Apr 20^th, 2014 at 1:02am

Soren wrote on Apr 19^th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

I can't think of one single Islamic jurisdiction that is not oppressive

So exactly which 'Islamic jurisdiction' are you talking about? Can you tell us exactly which country is run by Islamic law?

I have travelled to many Muslim-majority countries but am yet to find one in this day and age that is run by Islamic law.

I lived for a while in the world's biggest Muslim country, and felt freer there than I did in Australia.

Speaking of oppression let's remind ourselves of John Howard's sedition laws:

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Schedule 7 of the Anti-Terrorism Bill (No. 2) 2005,[5] passed by the Upper House on 6 December 2005, repealed Sections 24A to 24E of the Crimes Act (1914) and reintroduced them, along with several new classes of offence, in a Division 80—Treason and sedition. Crimes in this division now attract a maximum penalty of seven years' imprisonment.

Seditious Intention[edit]
The definition of "seditious intention" originally in Section 24A has become (as amended):

An intention to effect any of the following purposes:

(a) to bring the Sovereign into hatred or contempt;
(b) to urge disaffection against the following:
(i) the Constitution;
(ii) the Government of the Commonwealth;
(iii) either House of the Parliament;

...The new laws more than double the maximum penalty for sedition from three years imprisonment to seven, and allow certain convictions relating to the use of force or violence on the basis of recklessness rather than proven intent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_sedition_law

So it is illegal in Australia to say anything is wrong with the Queen, the government, the constitution, or the system of government.

Go freedom! Cheesy

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Reply #13 - Apr 20^th, 2014 at 9:56am

True Colours wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 1:02am:

The Problem of Evil

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1304541795/87#87
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It is also true that it is absolutely impossible for ISLAM to produce a harmonious, just, and stable society.

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And when i ask you to give an example of a good, and just, benevolent Sharia society, a virtuous society based in ISLAMIC law today, you can not give such an example.

Not in all of the ISLAMIC world, is there even one example, of such a virtuous society.

And ISLAM's own foundation texts [the Koran and the Hadith], are a witness against every moslem lie.

History itself is a witness against every moslem lie.

Google;
armenian genocide ottoman

The truth is, that there is no society in the world today [which is 'rightfully guided' by ISLAM], which is just and peaceful, and prosperous.

In fact, the opposite is true.

All societies in the world today, which claim to be ISLAMIC and Sharia guided, are nests of oppression, depravity, violence, injustice, and human poverty.

Perhaps it is Pakistan ???

The name Pakistan means,

"Land of the Pure"

Google;
Pakistan, Land of the Pure

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July 12, 2008
Pakistan: Christian girls kidnapped; captors file for custody, claiming girls converted to Islam
And the police weren't about to be of any help without outside pressure: The girls' father "was told to 'remain silent,' as the officers said the girls had embraced Islam in a written statement."
"Pakistan: Girls kidnapped, allegedly forced to convert,"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/021731.php

July 14, 2008
Pakistan: 13- and 10-year-old girls abducted, raped, and forced into the fold of Islam
More Christian girls being forced to convert to the religion of peace. As this report notes, the Muslim majority, including the police, are either actively or passively aiding the abductors, a common phenomenon in Muslim majority countries, such as Egypt, where Coptic girls are regularly abducted.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/021760.php

update....

July 20, 2008
Pakistan: Court grants custody of Christian girls to Muslim kidnappers
Because they converted to Islam, you see. More on this story. "Pakistan: Court Grants Custody of Girls to Kidnappers," from Compass Direct News, July 18:
ISTANBUL, July 18 (Compass Direct News) A Pakistani couple has appealed a court decision to award custody of their two daughters, 10 and 13, to the children’s alleged kidnappers. The court based its custody decision on the girls’ conversion to Islam.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/021866.php

January 14, 2009
Pakistan: Christian girls drugged, coverted to Islam, sold as sex slaves
Muslim men are permitted to have sex with the "captives their right hands possess" (Qur'an 4:24). "Christian Girls Drugged and Sold As Sex Slaves in Pakistan," from AINA, January 13:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/024393.php

" 'Aussie Fritzl' emerges"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1253145391/2#2

Pakistan a moslem majority jurisdiction.

Pakistan,

the "Land of the Pure"

Pakistan,

the "Land of the Pure"

Pakistan,

the "Land of the Pure"

Pakistan,

the "Land of the Pure"
....a land which out-shines Saudi Arabia, in the religious purity of its people!!

Honest!

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #14 - Apr 20^th, 2014 at 10:16am

Yadda wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 9:56am:

True Colours wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 1:02am:

So exactly which 'Islamic jurisdiction' are you talking about? Can you tell us exactly which country is run by Islamic law?

Perhaps it is Pakistan ???

The name Pakistan means,

"Land of the Pure"

Yes Yadda it is Pakistan; not Islamistan

created by Britain in an attempt to confound Muslims in the Indian sub-continent.

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Pakistani law is based upon the legal system of British India; thus ultimately on the common law of England and Wales.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Pakistan

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