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Reply #15 - Apr 18th, 2014 at 11:44am
 
Yes WG1 said the models were unreliable over the short term. Warming was roughly equivalent to the RCP 2.6 or 2.6 w/m2 increase by 2100..

WG2 and WG3 appear to have used RCP 8.5 or an increase to 8.5 w/m2 within the same time frame.

'Box TS.6 | The New Representative Concentration Pathway Scenarios and Coupled Model Intercomparison
Project Phase 5 Models
Future anthropogenic emissions of GHGs, aerosol particles and other forcing agents such as land use change are dependent on socio
-
economic factors, and may be affected by global geopolitical agreements to control those emissions to achieve mitigation. AR4 made
extensive use of the SRES scenarios that do not include additional climate initiatives, which means that no scenarios were available
that explicitly assume implementation of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) or the emissions
targets of the Kyoto Protocol. However, GHG emissions are directly affected by non-climate change policies designed for a wide range
of other purposes. The SRES scenarios were developed using a sequential approach, that is, socioeconomic factors fed into emissions
scenarios, which were then used in simple climate models to determine concentrations of GHGs, and other agents required to drive the
more complex AOGCMs. In this report, outcomes of climate simulations that use new scenarios (some of which include implied policy
actions to achieve mitigation) referred to as RCPs are assessed. These RCPs represent a larger set of mitigation scenarios and were
selected to have different targets in terms of radiative forcing at 2100 (about 2.6, 4.5, 6.0 and 8.5 W m
–2
; Figure TS.15). The scenarios
should be considered plausible and illustrative, and do not have probabilities attached to them.
{12.3.1; Box 1.1} (bold added)

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Reply #16 - Apr 18th, 2014 at 11:57am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 18th, 2014 at 6:36am:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 18th, 2014 at 2:38am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 17th, 2014 at 8:17pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 16th, 2014 at 3:03pm:
Liberal voters who are imperilling my children by calling climate change crap!

Smiley


Sorry, Deathridesacarbonemission.

Please explain??????????  Shocked


You can tell your friends that Global Warming is a GOOD thing, while Global Cooling is a BAD thing.

That's the Good News for today, D.  Smiley

Warming = Good.

Cooling =  Bad!

The mini-Ice Age that ended in the 1800s killed millions across Europe, but a mini-Warming Period would have killed no one.




Was it anthropogenic ???

Ya see, i'm a smart little cookie  Wink
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Reply #17 - Apr 18th, 2014 at 12:00pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 18th, 2014 at 6:11am:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 16th, 2014 at 3:03pm:
Liberal voters who are imperilling my children by calling climate change crap!

Smiley



Your children will be bathing them and 'forgetting' to change their adult diapers, that's called retribution.

Ha, yeh only so much fun ya can have there before you just wish prevention had been attempted by the hollywood induced sociopaths of our generations!!
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Reply #18 - Apr 18th, 2014 at 12:05pm
 
muso wrote on Apr 18th, 2014 at 8:31am:
Death - you are trying to turn science into slogans. It's tacky. Deal in facts.

War is conducted in the economic sphere: what else is slavery????

The scientific facts are already on the table so they are not the issue.. the chains bonding us in non-action are the issue!
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Reply #19 - Apr 18th, 2014 at 2:40pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 18th, 2014 at 6:36am:
You can tell your friends that Global Warming is a GOOD thing, while Global Cooling is a BAD thing.That's the Good News for today, D.  Warming = Good.Cooling =  Bad!The mini-Ice Age that ended in the 1800s killed millions across Europe, but a mini-Warming Period would have killed no one.


Three words that might prove you wrong Herbert.

North Atlantic Drift.

http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2010/09/14/life-on-this-earth-just-changed-the-no...
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Reply #20 - Apr 18th, 2014 at 4:38pm
 
stop the climate
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Reply #21 - Apr 18th, 2014 at 4:40pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 18th, 2014 at 4:38pm:
stop the climate


Cuckoo!!!!
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Reply #22 - Apr 18th, 2014 at 4:44pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 18th, 2014 at 4:40pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 18th, 2014 at 4:38pm:
stop the climate


Cuckoo!!!!

Wow, why does Andrei feel the need to play the man ???  Roll Eyes
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Reply #23 - Apr 18th, 2014 at 5:52pm
 
Adamant wrote on Apr 18th, 2014 at 2:40pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 18th, 2014 at 6:36am:
You can tell your friends that Global Warming is a GOOD thing, while Global Cooling is a BAD thing.That's the Good News for today, D.  Warming = Good.Cooling =  Bad!The mini-Ice Age that ended in the 1800s killed millions across Europe, but a mini-Warming Period would have killed no one.


Three words that might prove you wrong Herbert.

North Atlantic Drift.


Wrong.

Prefrontal Cortex Drift. That's where the real problem lies.

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Reply #24 - Apr 18th, 2014 at 7:26pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 18th, 2014 at 12:05pm:
muso wrote on Apr 18th, 2014 at 8:31am:
Death - you are trying to turn science into slogans. It's tacky. Deal in facts.

War is conducted in the economic sphere: what else is slavery????

The scientific facts are already on the table so they are not the issue.. the chains bonding us in non-action are the issue!


Fair enough. I can just about follow what you are saying.

The trouble is that you can argue with politics until the cows come home, but eventually we need to follow the facts.

Why don't you present it as a Swot analysis? What do you see as the strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats?
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Reply #25 - Apr 18th, 2014 at 7:32pm
 
muso wrote on Apr 18th, 2014 at 7:26pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 18th, 2014 at 12:05pm:
muso wrote on Apr 18th, 2014 at 8:31am:
Death - you are trying to turn science into slogans. It's tacky. Deal in facts.

War is conducted in the economic sphere: what else is slavery????

The scientific facts are already on the table so they are not the issue.. the chains bonding us in non-action are the issue!


Fair enough. I can just about follow what you are saying.

The trouble is that you can argue with politics until the cows come home, but eventually we need to follow the facts.

Why don't you present it as a Swot analysis? What do you see as the strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats?

A SWOT analysis of what exactly?

Determining the question is politics... Science may be a tool for finding answers but it too has to determine the question to be answered in the first!

All human relations is politics!!   Shocked
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Reply #26 - Apr 19th, 2014 at 9:38am
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 18th, 2014 at 7:32pm:
muso wrote on Apr 18th, 2014 at 7:26pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 18th, 2014 at 12:05pm:
muso wrote on Apr 18th, 2014 at 8:31am:
Death - you are trying to turn science into slogans. It's tacky. Deal in facts.

War is conducted in the economic sphere: what else is slavery????

The scientific facts are already on the table so they are not the issue.. the chains bonding us in non-action are the issue!


Fair enough. I can just about follow what you are saying.

The trouble is that you can argue with politics until the cows come home, but eventually we need to follow the facts.

Why don't you present it as a Swot analysis? What do you see as the strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats?

A SWOT analysis of what exactly?

Determining the question is politics... Science may be a tool for finding answers but it too has to determine the question to be answered in the first!

All human relations is politics!!   Shocked


The question is that of how do we best minimise the effects on the human polulation of past and current fossil fuel combustion, cement production and tropical forest clearing.

Ignoring it is not one of the options open to us.
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Reply #27 - Apr 19th, 2014 at 11:32am
 
muso wrote on Apr 19th, 2014 at 9:38am:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 18th, 2014 at 7:32pm:
muso wrote on Apr 18th, 2014 at 7:26pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 18th, 2014 at 12:05pm:
muso wrote on Apr 18th, 2014 at 8:31am:
Death - you are trying to turn science into slogans. It's tacky. Deal in facts.

War is conducted in the economic sphere: what else is slavery????

The scientific facts are already on the table so they are not the issue.. the chains bonding us in non-action are the issue!


Fair enough. I can just about follow what you are saying.

The trouble is that you can argue with politics until the cows come home, but eventually we need to follow the facts.

Why don't you present it as a Swot analysis? What do you see as the strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats?

A SWOT analysis of what exactly?

Determining the question is politics... Science may be a tool for finding answers but it too has to determine the question to be answered in the first!

All human relations is politics!!   Shocked


The question is that of how do we best minimise the effects on the human polulation of past and current fossil fuel combustion, cement production and tropical forest clearing.

Ignoring it is not one of the options open to us.

That's not the question that needs answering in my book... in my book it's how we get off the fossil fooled train pronto!

Boycott has been called for and body, mind and soul of the masses can do it if they only used the sword of wisdom to cut the Hollywood hallucination in half. WHO ASKS WHY THEY HAD KIDS??

CERTAINLY NOT THE GREEDY BABY BOOMERS WHOM 9-11 ATTACKED!

The depressant drug alcohol makes them all hide their heads in shame...

GO BABY BOOMERS YEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

OH YEH, THEY HAD IT ALL WORKED OUT........  Embarrassed
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Reply #28 - Apr 19th, 2014 at 12:18pm
 
Unfortunately the Sword of Damocles has more of an effect than the sword of wisdom.

That's the one hanging over the decision-making politicians.

If you want to wean the electorate off fossil fuels, your strategy needs to include the Sword of Damocles.
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Reply #29 - Apr 19th, 2014 at 12:33pm
 
muso wrote on Apr 19th, 2014 at 12:18pm:
Unfortunately the Sword of Damocles has more of an effect than the sword of wisdom.

That's the one hanging over the decision-making politicians.

If you want to wean the electorate off fossil fuels, your strategy needs to include the Sword of Damocles.

Ahuh, yeh I don't know much about that sword but I'll go with your decision making process idea for now.

Certainly, decision is difficult.

Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt aka FUD are easily spread. Easily spread for good reason as decision is like the release of an arrow- very hard to undo!

What I do know is that nature has made up its mind that what will not defend itself will not be defended!

I question the sword of Damocles ... But I may just do some reading around it to be sure  Cool
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