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Reply #15 - Mar 24th, 2014 at 8:37am
 
..and some shocking news just in to the KRUD News Room...

Christopher Pyne says the new South Australian government is not legitimate!...Our South Australian Bureau Chief Wella Neva has sent us on this breaking item....

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/22133406/pyne-says-sa-labor-govt-illegitimate/


Meanwhile, on a brighter note, the government's anti-work and pro dole bludging campaign is bearing fruit in Tasmania...

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/22132595/charity-warns-new-government-of-social-disas...


It seems that all is not lost and soon the visionary and often derided plan for massive leisure time in a Utopian modern society, as mooted some years ago, is looking set to become a reality for many!

More updates as they come in... to KRUD - YOUR News Network!"
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Reply #16 - Mar 24th, 2014 at 9:07am
 
SA who cares...  sa...  that leaves me out.
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Reply #17 - Mar 24th, 2014 at 9:20am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 24th, 2014 at 7:35am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 24th, 2014 at 5:19am:
So it's only the entire rest of the country they've lost?


I predict next states to turn labor will be

Vic
Wa
Qld
NSW

I don't think qld will get it this time round, but with the stupidity witnessed in the lnp, securing three elections in a row should not occur.

NSW will also stay lib for the next election at least.

Due dates for next State and Territory elections:
Victoria: 29 November 2014 (4 years)
NSW: 28 March 2015 (4 years)
Queensland: no later than 20 June 2015 (3 years)
NT: 27 August 2016 (4 years)
ACT: 15 October 2016 (4 years)
WA: 11 March 2017 (4 years)
SA: 17 March 2018 (4 years)
Tasmania: 2018 (4 years)

If your list was interpreted in order, it would imply changes of government as follows:

Victoria: 2014
WA: 2017
Queensland: 2018
NSW: 2019

Not an unreasonable prediction. All four states are very likely to swing to Labor at their next elections. This will bring change to Victoria, the possibility of change to WA, and much-reduced Coalition margins in Queensland and NSW.

Victoria is very likely to ditch the Coalition in November. Labor has been ahead in the polls for two years and that is not likely to change any time soon.  In the space of three years, the Coalition government has been embroiled in scandal and replaced a Premier mid-term. The government holds a one-seat majority with the support of a former Liberal who has become an independent and this has made the government quite unstable. This Coalition government has the stench of death about it and in November it will be given the coup de grâce.

In WA, Barnett has jumped the shark with his unpopular and unjustified shark cull. It's too early to predict the result of the next WA election (which would be little more than an educated guess at this stage), but if the Liberals do win it will probably be their last term.

Newman in Queensland will make history, becoming a rare Premier to lose his own seat of Ashgrove at an election (assuming he does not switch to a safer seat in the meantime). The seat he holds has only been won by a Coalition party twice in thirty years, and numerous opinion polls all indicate that his chances of retaining the seat are low. Queensland are likely to return a decapitated LNP at the next election with a much-reduced majority. The following election will be close and any prediction on a winner at this stage is still a guess.

The Coalition in NSW may get some bad news out of ICAC that brings undone a Liberal or two. Political corruption is a problem in NSW and there's every indication that the troubles that have bedevilled Labor of late may also involve some Liberal party figures. Politics in NSW needs a good clean out to remove the taint. NSW Labor may yet have one or two more serving politicians involved as well. Until this matter is resolved it's too difficult to make predictions about the length of Parliamentary terms in NSW. The Liberals are in office for the time being and have the advantage of incumbency. They will give up a fair bit of that large margin at the next election but should be re-elected.

On the other side of the ledger, South Australia will probably become a Liberal state at the next SA election.

At the time of the next Federal election, my prediction is that the Labor states and territories will most likely be SA, Victoria and the ACT.
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Reply #18 - Mar 24th, 2014 at 9:30am
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 24th, 2014 at 8:37am:
Christopher Pyne says the new South Australian government is not legitimate!...Our South Australian Bureau Chief Wella Neva has sent us on this breaking item....

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/22133406/pyne-says-sa-labor-govt-illegitimate/

Predictable rubbish from the Federal Coalition. They would have us believe that any minority Labor government is illegitimate. It's a shame that the Australian general public know so little about politics to spot this nonsense.

If the election result survives a challenge in the Court of Disputed Returns, it is a legitimate result. If Pyne thinks otherwise, he should state the legal grounds on which a challenge can be made to the SA election result.
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Reply #19 - Mar 24th, 2014 at 9:41am
 
Did Pyne say the 1998 Howard govt was illegitimate? The mouth from the south—wish he would move to Vic or somewhere, typical brainless pratt with not one policy idea in 20 years in Parliament. Howard couldn’t stand him.
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Reply #20 - Mar 24th, 2014 at 9:55am
 
Minority government seems to be a bit of a poisoned chalice.
There are just too many compromises that need to be made.
Minority Federal Government was voted out
Minority Tasmanian Government was voted out
Minority Victorian Government is really struggling
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Reply #21 - Mar 24th, 2014 at 10:03am
 
I am taking note of the endless swinging of the electorate from 'right' to 'left' in an ever-increasing electoral pendulum.

What this means is that the common herd - hereinafter to be known as 'the electorate' or 'the great unwashed' - are DEMANDING a genuine government that will do something for all - and not just continue to do things for their chosen few.

If this continues, then the time will surely come when that electorate of great unwashed ... who apparently know so little yet find it so easy to kick out one government after another of either side in a close fought election... will get sick of the whole thing and will demand a new deal and a new party.

I keep telling you all - we need to get a new party going now with some solid policies for all Australians.... not just the selected groups again and again.
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Reply #22 - Mar 24th, 2014 at 10:05am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 24th, 2014 at 9:55am:
Minority government seems to be a bit of a poisoned chalice.
There are just too many compromises that need to be made.
Minority Federal Government was voted out
Minority Tasmanian Government was voted out
Minority Victorian Government is really struggling

Minority Fed govt—undermined by traitor Rudd, attacked by whole MSM
Tassie—16yo govt, the “It’s Time” factor
Vic—hopeless.

A minority govt steered us through WWII for a year before it won a majority (can’t remember if in both Houses) and also set the path for our post–War prosperity and growth.
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Reply #23 - Mar 24th, 2014 at 10:11am
 
A minority government - by virtue of its insecurity and instability - must perforce be more responsive to the requirements of the people it represents and can afford to spend far less effort racing off into the wide fields of fantasy to suit its chosen ideology.
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Reply #24 - Mar 24th, 2014 at 10:16am
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 24th, 2014 at 10:11am:
A minority government - by virtue of its insecurity and instability - must perforce be more responsive to the requirements of the people it represents and can afford to spend far less effort racing off into the wide fields of fantasy to suit its chosen ideology.


Yup!

Maybe we should start accepting hung Parliaments and welcoming them. The Newman govt in Qld is a warning about making one side too dominant, esp in a unicameral parliament!
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Reply #25 - Mar 24th, 2014 at 10:23am
 
St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 24th, 2014 at 10:16am:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 24th, 2014 at 10:11am:
A minority government - by virtue of its insecurity and instability - must perforce be more responsive to the requirements of the people it represents and can afford to spend far less effort racing off into the wide fields of fantasy to suit its chosen ideology.


Yup!

Maybe we should start accepting hung Parliaments and welcoming them. The Newman govt in Qld is a warning about making one side too dominant, esp in a unicameral parliament!


Didn't seem to upset the gravy train much for the Gillard government to be propped up by Independents, or for some pretty rabid ideology concepts to be pursued - feminism, misogyny, women as CEOs on demand etc, all that guff...

I fear that all governments here are so removed from the needs of the people that they may as well be on another planet. 

Regardless they still manage to retire with riches for life while the country continues to spiral downwards.

I remain perpetually amazed that successive politicians of either 'side' can look at themselves in the mirror in the morning and not pause and think:-

"Wow!  My favourite and most cherished policy idea - one I trumpeted so loudly at the time and which I pointed to as the Bright Shining Light of my reign and a monument to my own initiative, integrity, sense, and courage - has been dumped like a piece of sloppy dog turd, since it was obviously not worth the paper it was written on.

Damn - I'm a failure and a fraud!"

Never happen!  They all love to wallow - in their fat retirement - in the 'glory days' when they pushed Australia ahead and made it so great a place to live in for all.... while riding on the benefits of a few lovely board jobs and a sweet lecture circuit for the fools who have no concept of the reality, and who lap up the bullshit about:-

>  'First Woman PM Heroine of the Feminists and shining light for all uni student girls who know nothing of real life',

> 'Neo-Thatcherite Hero of the Right and Basher of Unions who never felt the lack of a silver spoon'..

> and so forth...
E'en Unto the End Of Days....

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Reply #26 - Mar 24th, 2014 at 12:35pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 24th, 2014 at 9:55am:
Minority government seems to be a bit of a poisoned chalice.
There are just too many compromises that need to be made.
Minority Federal Government was voted out
Minority Tasmanian Government was voted out
Minority Victorian Government is really struggling

In general this is true, but it's not hard to find counterexamples. Some minority governments do quite well. It seems to depend where the government is in the electoral cycle. First term minority governments tend to do better than minority governments that have been in office longer.

The current South Australian government started as a minority government in 2002 with the support of one independent who was made Speaker.

The Victorian government that won office from opposition in 1999 needed the support of all three independents to form office (42+3 vs 36+7 Coalition seats). That minority government proved to be very popular, and that government was re-elected in 2002 in a massive landslide win that reduced the Liberals from 36 seats to 17.

In both cases, the minority government won office from opposition and earned themselves a second term.

There are also examples of a first-term minority government that have not earned a second term. The Borbidge government of Queensland is an interesting example where government changed on the floor of Parliament. The current Victorian government were not elected as a minority government, but have become one due to poor governance within the Liberal party. They haven't lost office yet, but the polls suggest they will.
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Reply #27 - Mar 24th, 2014 at 1:56pm
 
Bam wrote on Mar 24th, 2014 at 9:30am:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 24th, 2014 at 8:37am:
Christopher Pyne says the new South Australian government is not legitimate!...Our South Australian Bureau Chief Wella Neva has sent us on this breaking item....

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/22133406/pyne-says-sa-labor-govt-illegitimate/

Predictable rubbish from the Federal Coalition. They would have us believe that any minority Labor government is illegitimate. It's a shame that the Australian general public know so little about politics to spot this nonsense.

If the election result survives a challenge in the Court of Disputed Returns, it is a legitimate result. If Pyne thinks otherwise, he should state the legal grounds on which a challenge can be made to the SA election result.

But it wasn't from the Federal Coalition it was from Christopher Pyne.
SA....  who cares they're dumb enough to vote in and return Sarah Hanson-Dumb.
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Reply #28 - Mar 24th, 2014 at 2:08pm
 
SA is dumb enough to keep voting in that pratt Pyne! Not a single policy idea in 20 years in Parliament!
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Reply #29 - Mar 24th, 2014 at 4:54pm
 
St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 24th, 2014 at 2:08pm:
SA is dumb enough to keep voting in that pratt Pyne! Not a single policy idea in 20 years in Parliament!

You keep the empty biased boneheaded rhetoric up, hubris knows no bound with you, you have no credibility.
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