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Reply #75 - Mar 26^th, 2014 at 9:14am

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 26^th, 2014 at 7:12am:

Pete Waldo wrote on Mar 26^th, 2014 at 1:00am:

The term "phobia" is used to describe as a fear that is ".....typically disproportional to the actual danger posed, often being recognized as irrational.....", so it is obviously oxymoronic to apply that suffix to the term "Islam" which is used to identify a violent, murderous, imperialistic, political machine

Ah.

Still in default mode then ? ....deflection, by denial.

Whenever challenged with factual information, and a legitimate description of ISLAM; "a violent, murderous, imperialistic, political machine"

....revert to the 'shield' of blatant denial, and obfuscation.

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The problem is gandalf, the the message [i.e. the truth about ISLAM] is getting out there.

Information ABOUT WHAT ISLAM IS, is being disseminated efficiently via the web.

And [previously] uninformed people, are checking the circumstances for themselves, are searching out the facts, and they are often times, shocked, at how they have been deceived by moslems and by the moslem community, by the false narrative which is being spread, by moslems.

ISLAM is not a tolerant, benign entity [nor a peaceful religion].

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muslims in our jails Reply #76 - Mar 26^th, 2014 at 11:27am Yadda wrote on Mar 26^th, 2014 at 9:14am: Information ABOUT WHAT ISLAM IS, is being disseminated efficiently via the web. Indeed. Some might even call it a "fear campaign". Definitely not a phobia though.
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Reply #77 - Mar 26^th, 2014 at 12:44pm

The truth will destroy islam eventually.

This has got muslims and their apologists running scared.

They have to live in a state of continuous denial and outright lies, in order to avoid admitting the many faults and failings of islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an

The atrocities committed and backwards cult behaviour/mentality of muslims around the globe, will carry on, until one day the world will turn on them.

The malevolent cult mindset of islam would be appealing to criminals. Birds of a feather - - - -.

It's all got to unfold, for truth to win out in the end.

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Reply #78 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:05pm

"Fears are growing that Britain's jails are becoming a hotbed of extremism after it emerged nearly half the inmates of one top security prison are Muslim.

Around 42 per cent of those housed at Category A Whitemoor jail - and more than a quarter of those in London prisons - consider themselves to be of Islamic faith.

Experts now fear large numbers are being radicalised on the inside, where they say the spread of Jihadist ideas is rife".

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What's the prognosis for the future?

Is there anything being done by the British and Australian governments to address this problem, and nip-it-in-the-bud before it becomes all too unmanageable?

Unfortunately all of the major parties of the UK and Australia are paralysed by fear of voter 'backlash' by the Muslim communities ~ as ex-Foreign Minister Bob Carr warned Julia Gillard about when he counselled her to be careful not to 'off-side' Sydney's burgeoning Muslim community.

So they just do nothing.

A GROWING 'elephant-in-the-room' called 'Muslim Radicals on the Rise' ~ but the pollies prefer to look the other way and hope that when the fireworks start it'll be on someone else's watch.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49985 At my desk.	Re: Muslims in our jails Reply #79 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 3:02pm Yes, but do you have actual proof that this is something to do with Islam? Proof such as an opinion from Montgomery Watt, or some other English Gentleman, that sounds similar to what you are saying?
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Reply #80 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 5:26pm

freediver wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 3:02pm:

Yes, but do you have actual proof that this is something to do with Islam? Proof such as an opinion from Montgomery Watt, or some other English Gentleman, that sounds similar to what you are saying?

Montgomery Watt was an expert in the field of Islamic history, so I'd doubt he would be much help here.

Citing history scholars is most useful for supporting claims on historical fact. And also for refuting baseless claims - like for example, the claim that arab society before Muhammad was "based on genuine equality".

Don't worry FD, you'll get the hang of it some day... maybe.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #81 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 5:44pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

"Fears are growing that Britain's jails are becoming a hotbed of extremism after it emerged nearly half the inmates of one top security prison are Muslim.

Around 42 per cent of those housed at Category A Whitemoor jail - and more than a quarter of those in London prisons - consider themselves to be of Islamic faith.

Experts now fear large numbers are being radicalised on the inside, where they say the spread of Jihadist ideas is rife".

link

What's the prognosis for the future?

Is there anything being done by the British and Australian governments to address this problem, and nip-it-in-the-bud before it becomes all too unmanageable?

Unfortunately all of the major parties of the UK and Australia are paralysed by fear of voter 'backlash' by the Muslim communities ~ as ex-Foreign Minister Bob Carr warned Julia Gillard about when he counselled her to be careful not to 'off-side' Sydney's burgeoning Muslim community.

So they just do nothing.

A GROWING 'elephant-in-the-room' called 'Muslim Radicals on the Rise' ~ but the pollies prefer to look the other way and hope that when the fireworks start it'll be on someone else's watch.

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Re: Muslims in our jails
Reply #82 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:36pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 5:26pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 3:02pm:

Yes, but do you have actual proof that this is something to do with Islam? Proof such as an opinion from Montgomery Watt, or some other English Gentleman, that sounds similar to what you are saying?

Montgomery Watt was an expert in the field of Islamic history, so I'd doubt he would be much help here.

Citing history scholars is most useful for supporting claims on historical fact. And also for refuting baseless claims - like for example, the claim that arab society before Muhammad was "based on genuine equality".

Don't worry FD, you'll get the hang of it some day... maybe.

Oh, I don’t know. We used to same the same about Y.

And he got worse.

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Reply #83 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:52pm

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Citing history scholars is most useful for supporting claims on historical fact.

Especially if their opinion sounds vaguely similar to yours.

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And also for refuting baseless claims - like for example, the claim that arab society before Muhammad was "based on genuine equality".

I was so embarrassed when you found an expert who appeared to disagree with me.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Muslims in our jails Reply #84 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:55pm I wish gandalf would get rid of that talking parrot on his shoulder.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 97928	Re: Muslims in our jails Reply #85 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 8:51pm Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:55pm: I wish gandalf would get rid of that talking parrot on his shoulder. Ahar. Be grateful for small mercies, FD. You’ll always have Herbie. Anyone for cracker?
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Reply #86 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 10:03pm

sherri wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 8:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:50pm:

True Blue... wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:35pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 5:54pm:

There she blows. The false conception of Australia as friendly egalitarian welcoming society. Its not just asylum seekers who have this opinion.

Throw another immigrant on the barbie darling.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/9861635/Australians-racist-and-unfriendly...

"... Australians are seen as nothing like the caring, friendly and hospitable mob so often assumed, with an extensive new survey of recent migrants reporting high levels of ethnic or religious discrimination.

As the Abbott government prepares to strike down part of the racial discrimination law, the Monash University study has found many migrants regularly fear walking alone at night or becoming a victim of crime.

The survey is the latest in a series ''mapping social cohesion'' funded by the Scanlon Foundation and Australia's federal government, and the first to allow researchers to compare the experience of recent migrants to the wider Australian population.

It shows migrants settling over the past two decades often feel singled out because of their skin colour or faith - and report a disturbing lack of trust, both in other people and political institutions compared to the rest of the population..."

yes... and the most likely perpetrator would be one of Labors boat people immigrant, Somalian and/or Sudanese...

Do you have any statistics, or any reliable evidence whatsoever, to support this irrational, bigoted opinion of yours?

Anything?

Or is it just a racist comment, guided by your ignorance-fueled hatred for anyone who isn't white?

These figures are a decade old but interesting all the same. I've seen other research that shows unemployment rates amongst migrants but would need time to locate it.

Anyway it shows the white aussies aren't the only ones to fear on the streets.

Birthplace Rates of Imprisonment

Australia 1

UK/Eire 0.6

N.Z 1.6

Vietnam 2.7

Greece 0.5

Italy 0.6

Turkey 1.6

Lebanon 2.0

What does this mean? Well, people from the United Kingdom & Ireland, Greece and Italy were under-represented as a population in Australian gaols. But, those from Vietnam, Turkey, New Zealand and Lebanon were over represented. Vietnamese almost three times more likely than Australians, and Lebanese double.
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Also saw this, much more recent, about a year or so ago I think.

SUDANESE and Somali-born Victorians are about five times more likely to commit crimes than the wider community, a trend that must be addressed to prevent Cronulla-style social unrest, police warn.

The most common crimes committed by Somali and Sudanese-born Victorians are assault and robbery, illustrating the trend towards increasingly violent robberies by disaffected African youths....

The police statistics show the rate of offending among the Sudanese community is 7109.1 per 100,000, while for Somali people it is 6141.8 per 100,000. The figure for the wider community is 1301.0 per 100,000.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/african-youth-crime-concern-20120819-24glt.html#ixzz2xRT9d4Gd

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/african-youth-crime-concern-20120819-24glt.html#ixzz2xRSsG3Wz

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Reply #87 - Mar 31^st, 2014 at 5:52am

Needless to say the 'New Zealand' (sic) figures refer to Pacific Islanders who first gain New Zealand citizenship in order to more easily qualify for migration to Australia as 'New Zealanders' (sic).

It's also very telling that statistics on prison ethnicities has been discontinued in contradiction to official boasts of Australia being 'proudly' a 'multicultural' society.

When statistics began to show an embarrassing preponderance of minority Usual Suspects in our jails system, suddenly the Powers-that-Be thought it might be politically prudent to declare the jail populations mono-cultural in identity.

Such is the deception and the moral cowardice of our socialist politicians.

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Re: Muslims in our jails
Reply #88 - Mar 31^st, 2014 at 6:32am

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

"Fears are growing that Britain's jails are becoming a hotbed of extremism after it emerged nearly half the inmates of one top security prison are Muslim.

Around 42 per cent of those housed at Category A Whitemoor jail - and more than a quarter of those in London prisons - consider themselves to be of Islamic faith.

Experts now fear large numbers are being radicalised on the inside, where they say the spread of Jihadist ideas is rife".

link

What's the prognosis for the future?

Is there anything being done by the British and Australian governments to address this problem, and nip-it-in-the-bud before it becomes all too unmanageable?

Unfortunately all of the major parties of the UK and Australia are paralysed by fear of voter 'backlash' by the Muslim communities ~ as ex-Foreign Minister Bob Carr warned Julia Gillard about when he counselled her to be careful not to 'off-side' Sydney's burgeoning Muslim community.

So they just do nothing.

A GROWING 'elephant-in-the-room' called 'Muslim Radicals on the Rise' ~ but the pollies prefer to look the other way and hope that when the fireworks start it'll be on someone else's watch.

Labor have always been in power even before the muslim community grew so its another false claim that labor is after the muslim vote when in fact labor where always in power many years in muslims areas.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Muslims in our jails Reply #89 - Mar 31^st, 2014 at 11:14am wally1 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2014 at 6:32am: Labor have always been in power even before the muslim community grew so its another false claim that labor is after the muslim vote when in fact labor where always in power many years in muslims areas. Both the major parties are after the Muslim vote ~ not just Labour.
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