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Re: Epic Chemtrails
Reply #420 - May 16th, 2017 at 11:44am
 
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please show where pollen has killed so many people ..

1 December 2016: Kuwait

'Thunderstorm asthma' 5 people die in Kuwait following storm

"Hospitals received 844 emergency cases in two days, five of them died, three in Mumbarak Hospital and two in the Amiri Hospital," Khaled Al-Sahlawi, health ministry undersecretary, said in the report. "Twenty-six cases were admitted to intensive care units and 45 to rooms. The rest received treatments."

The deaths in Kuwait came only about a week after a similar incident happened in Melbourne, Australia. According to CNN, a sudden drop in temperature accompanied by severe thunderstorms had triggered mass pollen allergy asthma attacks.

When rain falls, pollen grains absorb moisture and erupt, spreading small allergenic particles that could irritate the lungs when inhaled. These particles could irritate and inflame bronchial tubes, which are filled with mucus and cause difficulty of breathing.

After the incident, speculations have risen that the weather phenomenon is caused by a "biological warfare" agent being tested on humans, The Daily Sheeple reports. In Kuwait, rumors on social media about a pandemic virus outbreak of H1N1 have circulated. But medical experts dismissed these rumors and blame bad weather conditions for the respiratory problems in patients, Kuwait Times reports.


There are other historical examples of other significant events if you care to look them up,
  • 6 July 1983–7 July 1983: Birmingham, England
  • 8 November 1987: Melbourne, Australia
  • 29 November 1989–30 November 1989: Melbourne, Australia
  • 24 July 1994–25 July 1994: London, England
  • 30 October 1997: Wagga Wagga, Australia
  • 4 June 2004: Naples, Italy
  • 25 November 2010: Melbourne, Australia
  • 2 November 2013: Ahvaz, Iran
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Reply #421 - May 16th, 2017 at 11:47am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 8:24am:
-It attacks the nervous system, and is toxic. It does not bio-accumulate and can be relieved as it disperses and goes away, taking with it any strange symptoms. There are many other health problems (lungs, etc.).


* After 2 to 4 weeks depending on the health of the person, not up to a day after the storm has passed.
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Reply #422 - May 16th, 2017 at 11:50am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 11:44am:
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please show where pollen has killed so many people ..

1 December 2016: Kuwait

'Thunderstorm asthma' 5 people die in Kuwait following storm

"Hospitals received 844 emergency cases in two days, five of them died, three in Mumbarak Hospital and two in the Amiri Hospital," Khaled Al-Sahlawi, health ministry undersecretary, said in the report. "Twenty-six cases were admitted to intensive care units and 45 to rooms. The rest received treatments."

The deaths in Kuwait came only about a week after a similar incident happened in Melbourne, Australia. According to CNN , a sudden drop in temperature accompanied by severe thunderstorms had triggered mass pollen allergy asthma attacks.

When rain falls, pollen grains absorb moisture and erupt, spreading small allergenic particles that could irritate the lungs when inhaled. These particles could irritate and inflame bronchial tubes, which are filled with mucus and cause difficulty of breathing.

After the incident, speculations have risen that the weather phenomenon is caused by a "biological warfare" agent being tested on humans, The Daily Sheeple reports. In Kuwait, rumors on social media about a pandemic virus outbreak of H1N1 have circulated. But medical experts dismissed these rumors and blame bad weather conditions for the respiratory problems in patients, Kuwait Times reports.


There are other historical examples of other significant events if you care to look them up,
  • 6 July 1983–7 July 1983: Birmingham, England
  • 8 November 1987: Melbourne, Australia
  • 29 November 1989–30 November 1989: Melbourne, Australia
  • 24 July 1994–25 July 1994: London, England
  • 30 October 1997: Wagga Wagga, Australia
  • 4 June 2004: Naples, Italy
  • 25 November 2010: Melbourne, Australia
  • 2 November 2013: Ahvaz, Iran


FAKE NEWS  ~!

all these instances can be attributed to chemtrails instead of fictitious " pollen theories "
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Reply #423 - May 16th, 2017 at 11:51am
 
Light, your misstep is you so desperately want to believe, you want to think that you are somehow special, that you have some special insight that others don't have, you're important.  You want it so bad you don't bother to fact check anything that that you feel makes you more enlightened than the rest of us.

I hope I've helped you understand that it only does the opposite.  It makes you look like a raving lunatic.

If you learn anything this from this I hope it is that while in the realm of debate it of course is important to fact check your opponents and use their arguments against them, it is more important to fact check your own point of view. 

If you don't, which clearly you do not, you may find yourself on the wrong side of the truth.  As you are someone who apparently strives for the truth, I would have thought this would be important to you.

But your actions don't indicate that at all.

Truth and facts are not subjective as you appear to treat them.
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Reply #424 - May 16th, 2017 at 11:53am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 11:50am:
FAKE NEWS  ~!

all these instances can be attributed to chemtrails instead of fictitious " pollen theories "


By all means the floor is yours to prove that.  But "attributing" something to something else is not proof, you do realise that right?

Would you like to explain why it is fake?  What conflicting evidence do you have that helped you reach that conclusion?

Or are we dealing with the typical "that doesn't fit with my predetermined notions, it must be FAKE NEWS!!!"?

There was a time when "Fake News" and "Political Correctness" were referred to as Propaganda and Decency.

If you can't backup your claims which you haven't about the chemtrails nor the latest claim of Fake News, you're just spreading bullshit and propaganda.

I'd invite you to prove your claims but that hasn't gone so well for you thus far.
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Reply #425 - May 16th, 2017 at 11:57am
 
sounds like your interested ..

maybe you need to get educated ?

https://climateviewer.com/2015/03/15/aluminum-barium-and-chemtrails-explained-ju...

Aluminum, Barium, and Chemtrails Explained – JUST THE FACTS


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I have been researching the chemtrail phenomenon for over three years now and I am constantly asked the same questions, so to alleviate much personal grief and provide a singular source of accurate information I have created this FAQ for you to share, challenge, debate, and hopefully contribute to.  Let’s dive in:

#1 There’s Barium and Aluminum in the Chemtrails

True.

Atmospheric Aluminum A2O3

The predominate source of anthropogenic aluminum in rain and soil samples are raining down from space, blame the rockets:

Each time a space shuttle is launched, the solid rocket boosters release 240 tons of HCl gas, 26 tons of chlorine gas, 7 tons of nitrogen dioxide gas, and 304 tons of aluminum oxide into the atmosphere.  The resulting hydrochloric acid dissolves eight inches of concrete on the launch pad, raises the concentration of hydrochloric acid in nearby lakes to 3 M, produces massive fish kills in the ocean, and destroys the paint on cars.  Leading chemists believe that the HCl is a major contributor to the holes in the ozone layer.
source, see also: Space Shuttle Exhausted Aluminum Oxide’ A Measured Particle Size Distribution W. R. COFER III AND G. C. PURGOLD Atmospheric Sciences Division, NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Virginia E. L. WINSTEAD ST Systems Corporation, Hampton, Virginia R. A. EDAHL Materials Division, NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Virginia  1991

That’s right space fans, rockets!  304 tons per launch, 608,000 pounds of aluminum oxide.  But wait, there’s more!  Welcome to the future of aluminum: ALICE!

Rocket propellant has barely changed in the more than 50 years since the launch of the first artificial satellite Sputnik. But a new mixture of nano-aluminum powder and frozen water could make rocket launches more environmentally friendly, and even allow spacecraft to refuel at distant locations such as the moon or Mars.

The aluminum-ice propellant known as ALICE gets its kick from a chemical reaction between water and aluminum. Space.com 2009

The interactions between aluminum exhaust and water have been studied since 1962’s Project Highwater when Atlas rockets dumped 23,000 gallons of water into the ionosphere to make it glow (airglow).

Aluminum interacts with the ionosphere to produce airglow, as does water releases.  It does not surprise me that ALICE combines the two, here’s why:


Also, the term “green propellant” is often confusing, as many assume a green propellant has no environmental impact. Such a propellant is generally beyond the realm of physical possibility. All propellants affect the environment in some way. For instance, all launch vehicles produce exhaust. The components of this exhaust can include soot, carbon dioxide, alumina, inorganic chlorine, water vapor, sulfates, and nitrogen oxides. All of these have an environmental impact, and may contribute to climate change, ozone destruction, or upper atmospheric contrails, depending on the atmospheric layer in which they are deposited; however, the severity and duration of the impact can vary greatly. Given this fact, a green propellant is more correctly viewed as one that seeks to minimize or eliminate a critical environmental impact in one or more of the four main areas. A green propellant is likely to have its own environmental impacts, which may be equal to the current technology in certain areas. For example, many green propellants seek to eliminate hydrazine because of its biologic impact, but they still present atmospheric or space-based effects. Aerospace.org 2011

Nano-particle Aluminum Steam

They are now using nano-particle aluminum to boil frozen water, putting it in ALICE rockets, and we have to consider the possibilities of this technology as it pertains to chemtrails:



Anthropogenic aluminum comes from rockets, very little comes from chemtrails if any, in my humble opinion.

Although rockets produce tons more aluminum than planes do, both are tiny compared to good ole dirt blowing up from the ground:

A LARGE SILICON-ALUMINUM AEROSOL PLUME IN CENTRAL ILLINOIS: NORTH AFRICAN DESERT DUST? 1995

During a summer atmospheric chemistry field project in central Illinois in 1979, unusually high concentration of Si, AI, and other earth’s crust elements were observed simultaneously in two series of 2-h aerosol samples collected at sites separated by about 20 km. The Si-A1 “event” persisted for about 32 h, and was accompanied by winds shifting from east through north as a weak low pressure area moved eastward across southeJrn Illinois, and a nearly stationary front moved back and forth across the study area. Comparison of aerosol Si/AI and Ca/A1 ratios during the event with those in possible sources showed that local soils, coal flyash, and A1 smelter emissions were unlikely sources of the observed plume, and focused the investigation on distant dust sources. Climatology favors north Africa over the western United States as a source of desert dust in summer.
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Reply #426 - May 16th, 2017 at 11:58am
 
Forty-eight hour back-trajectories from Illinois show flow from the Gulf of Mexico. Temperature and humidity soundings at Key West, Florida, three days before the onset of the dust plume in Illinois, showed a typical “Sahara air” profile, and simultaneous mineral dust measurements at Miami indicated a strong influx of North African dust at the same time. The evidence indicates that North African dust is the most likely source of the observed high concentrations of Si and AI in central Illinois in July 1979, and illustrates that long range transport can influence air quality at great distances from source a;~eas. Copyright © 1996 Elsevier Science Ltd

http://www.rsmas.miami.edu/users/jprospero/Publications/Gatz-Prospero_Afr%20dust%20Illinois_AtmosEnviron96.pdf

When jet aircraft switched from gasoline based fuel to kerosene (diesel) fuel the aluminum content of the fuels skyrocketed.  See this chart Trace Element and Polycyclic Aromatic  Hydrocarbon Analyses of Jet Engine Fuels: Jet A, JP5, and JP8:

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Aluminum Jet Fuel Additives

Spray Visualization of Alternative Aviation Turbine Fuel embedded with Metallic Nanoparticles
Energetic Nanoparticles as Fuel Additives for Enhanced Performance in Propulsion Systems
Reduction of emissions and fuel consumption in a compression ignition engine using nanoparticles
Nanoparticles increase biofuel performance
Why add nanoparticles? The idea, says lead author R. B. Anand, an associate professor of mechanical engineering at the National Institute of Technology in Tiruchirappalli, India, is that because of their high surface-to-volume ratio, the nanoparticles—which, in the study, had an average diameter of 51 billionths of a meter—have more reactive surfaces, allowing them to act as more efficient chemical catalysts, thus increasing fuel combustion. The presence of the particles also increases fuel–air mixing in the fuel, which leads to more complete burning.

In the study, Anand and co-author J. Sadhik Basha first used a mechanical agitator to create an emulsion consisting of jatropha biodiesel (a fuel derived from the crushed seeds of the jatropha plant), water, and a surfactant, then blended in different proportions of alumina nanoparticles. In addition to outperforming regular biofuel, the nanoparticle-spiked fuels produced significantly lower quantities of nitrogen oxide and carbon monoxide gases, and created less smoke.

The researchers are now testing other types of nanoparticles, including hollow carbon nanotubes, and investigating the effects of nano-additives to engine lubrication and cooling systems. One obstacle to the application of this kind of nanotechnology is the high cost of nanoparticle production, says Anand—who also cautions that nanoparticles “should be used judiciously,” because they tend to “entrain into human bodies.“
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2011-04-nanoparticles-biofuel.html



Atmospheric Sources of Barium

From the IPCC’s first assessment on Climate Change’s report we see confirmation that indeed barium and aluminum are in the exhaust plumes of jets.

3.2.3.2 Metal Particles

Aircraft jet engines also directly emit metal particles. Their sources include engine erosion and the combustion of fuel containing trace metal impurities or metal particles that enter the exhaust with the fuel (Chapter 7). Metal particles-comprising elements such as Al, Ti, Cr, Fe, Ni, and Ba-are estimated to be present at the parts per billion by volume (ppbv) level at nozzle exit planes (CIAP, 1975; Fordyce and Sheibley, 1975). The corresponding concentrations of 107 to 108 particles/kg fuel (assuming 1-mm radius; see below) are much smaller than for soot. Although metals have been found as residuals in cirrus and contrail ice particles (Chen et al., 1998; Petzold et al., 1998; Twohy and Gandrud, 1998), their number and associated mass are considered too small to affect the formation or properties of more abundant volatile and soot plume aerosol particles.

Aluminum, Titanium, Chromium, Iron, Nickel, and Barium are estimated to be in the parts per billion, meaning very small (trace) amounts.  Barium in jets comes from STADIS 450, an additive that has been in use since 1962 which contains trade secret chemicals and SARA 313 toxins.

Stadis 450 Barium Salt [MSDS trade secret] [MSDS full]

TRIMETHYLBENZENE (SARA 313)
10 – 30% TRADE SECRET POLYMER CONTAINING SULPHUR
5 – 10% TRADE SECRET POLYMER CONTAINING NITROGEN
NAPHTHALENE (SARA 313)

“R-11 Highly flammable. R-36 Irritating to eyes. R-67 Vapours may cause drowsiness and dizziness. R-51/53 Toxic to aquatic organisms, may cause long-term adverse effects in the aquatic environment. R-65 Harmful: may cause lung damage if swallowed. R-66 Repeated exposure may cause skin dryness or cracking. R-22 Harmful if swallowed. R-40 Limited evidence of a carcinogenic effect. R-50/53 Very toxic to aquatic organisms, may cause long-term adverse effects in the aquatic environment. Not classified. R-36/38 Irritating to eyes and skin. R-38 Irritating to skin. R-48/20 Harmful: danger of serious damage to health by prolonged exposure through inhalation. R-63 Possible risk of harm to the unborn child.”

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Reply #427 - May 16th, 2017 at 12:00pm
 
DuPont created STADIS-450 in 1962 and ever since this barium salt fuel additive has been in every single jet fuel tank worldwide.  The purpose of STADIS-450 is to reduce static discharge from refueling to keep fuel from exploding.  Nonetheless, barium is a serious health concern for everyone on the planet.

Dinonylnaphthylsulfonic acid (DINNSA, Stadis 450)
Effects of barium fuel additive and fuel sulfur level on diesel particulate emissions
Effects of Barium-Based Additive on Diesel Exhaust Particulate
May 1963, Plasma Seeding and Magnetospheric Modification Begins


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create an artificial ion cloud in interplanetary space for studying the state of the interplanetary medium .. sounding rocket experiments  Foppl et al., 1965, http://www.igpp.ucla.edu/public/mkivelso/Publications/019-RS008i011p01035.pdf

February 14, 1964 to December 3, 1964, Artificial Strontium and Barium Clouds in the Upper Atmosphere

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June 1972, Project SECEDE Observations of the Developement of Striations in Large Barium Ion Clouds

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Striations develop within large (12-352 kg releases) barium ion clouds in a two-stage process. First the clouds split into sheets commencing at the trailing edge of the cloud.  Then distortions-or pinching effects within the individual sheets cause the formation of field-aligned ray-like structures.
In the clouds observed, the individual sheets were 200 m to 1000 m in thickness and were spaced 700 m to 2000 m apart. Quasi-sinu-soidal waviness or spatially periodic thickenings exhibited a wavelength typically 700 m to 1000 m.When rod-like structures appeared, these were typically-200 m to 400 m in diameter and were spaced along the pre-existing sheet at 700 m to 1000 m on centers. http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=AD0757916
November 1972, ARPA Project SECEDE II barium cloud releases

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High resolution optical measurements were made of a series of high altitude barium releases at Eglin AFB during January 1971. Data was obtained on the individual cloud motions (ion and neutral), morphology, and fine structure striation development viewed up the geomagnetic field lines. http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/756938.pdf

January 1974, High-explosive shaped Barium charges pound ionosphere

Hollow conical liners of barium metal, detonated above 500-km altitude, jets of barium plasma with a range of initial velocity of 8 to 20 km/sec have been created. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/JA079i001p00159/abstract

And finally, just to prove my point:

July 1990 to September 1993, CRRES Ionospheric Modification and the Arecibo Heater

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Reply #428 - May 16th, 2017 at 12:02pm
 
Yet this has nothing to do with Pollen Storms and I've read that all of this has been debunked before and attributed to other things.  Some is also Fake News.
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Reply #429 - May 16th, 2017 at 12:02pm
 
Combined Release and Radiation Effects Satellite (CRRES)

CRRES was a joint program of NASA and the Department of Defense launched in July of 1990. The spacecraft was placed in a highly elliptical orbit and conducted uniqely active experiments involving the release of chemicals at various locations where the complex interactions between solar radiation and the fields and particles in Earth’s magnetosphere could be observed. Roger R. Anderson of The University of Iowa was the PI of the Plasma Wave Experiment on CRRES which was part of the Air Force Geophysics Laboratory’s SPACERAD project. The mission ended in October of 1991.

NASA EXPERIMENTS

NASA’s experiments are divided into four areas:

Magnetospheric Ion Cloud Injections:
This group of experiments will artificially seed the magnetosphere with plasma and, working with DOD particle and electromagnetic wave investigators, use ground-based optical and radar diagnostics to observe large-scale changes in the cloud. In-situ CRRES measurements will examine smaller, local phenomena. The CRRES instruments also will determine the state of the magnetosphere, providing valuable data to allow the determination of optimal conditions for releases. (Experiments G-1 through G-7, G-10.)
Ionospheric Modifications:
This group of experiments introduces disturbances into the ionosphere to study the friction forces arising from the interaction of high-speed injected plasmas and the ionosphere. Scientists also will inject neutral atoms at orbital velocities to understand why unusually efficient ionization occurs when a fast beam of neutral gas passes through a magnetized plasma. Scientists will compare the observed behavior of the injected plasmas with computer models. (Experiments G-8, G-9, G-13, G-14.)
Electric Fields and Ion Transport:
This group of experiments will study the low-latitude electric fields and the movement of ions along magnetic field lines into the ionosphere in response to these electric fields. (Experiments G-11, G-12.)
Ionospheric Irregularity Simulators:
These experiments will produce large-scale releases of chemicals to study irregularities in the ionosphere and the effects of the ionosphere on the propagation of high-frequency-waves. (Experiments AA-1 through AA-7.)
http://www-pw.physics.uiowa.edu/plasma-wave/crres/index.html
http://www-pw.physics.uiowa.edu/plasma-wave/crres/press-kit/detailed-experiments.html
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA293219

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Reply #430 - May 16th, 2017 at 12:04pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 12:02pm:
Yet this has nothing to do with Pollen Storms and I've read that all of this has been debunked before and attributed to other things.  Some is also Fake News.


you are fake news with your cnn propaganda



you have been quite rightly exposed

and so you have

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Reply #431 - May 16th, 2017 at 12:05pm
 
All of those posts, yet no actual scientific proof...  No verifiable and duplicatable experimenting or peer review.

One wonders if you are trying to burry my analysis AGAIN.

it_is_the_light wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
you have been quite rightly exposed

and so you have

namaste



BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!


You really do live in a fantasy land.  You've posted a lot, but there is no truth and certainly no proof to it...

Again you're trying to burry my posts that you cannot deal with yet accuse me of doing the same thing.

Troll on dickhead, troll on.

I hope you're getting those lulz you need to fill that emptiness inside.

This is why people don't bother taking you seriously because you tantrum spam when confronted with people actually fact checking you.
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Reply #432 - May 16th, 2017 at 12:07pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 12:05pm:
All of those posts, yet no actual scientific proof...  No verifiable and duplicatable experimenting or peer review.

One wonders if you are trying to burry my analysis AGAIN.


the facts are in

you refuse to look at evidence and prefer fake CNN propaganda

no amount of evidence will sway you from your cnn programming and so be it

yet fortunately

this does not effect unto the truths and facts presented and only goes to crush your long winded blow bagging sad sacked interpretation of reality

which is far from the aforementioned and so be it

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Reply #433 - May 16th, 2017 at 12:13pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 12:05pm:
All of those posts, yet no actual scientific proof...  No verifiable and duplicatable experimenting or peer review.

One wonders if you are trying to burry my analysis AGAIN.

it_is_the_light wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
you have been quite rightly exposed

and so you have

namaste



BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!


You really do live in a fantasy land.  You've posted a lot, but there is no truth and certainly no proof to it...

Again you're trying to burry my posts that you cannot deal with yet accuse me of doing the same thing.

Troll on dickhead, troll on.

I hope you're getting those lulz you need to fill that emptiness inside.

This is why people don't bother taking you seriously because you tantrum spam when confronted with people actually fact checking you.


you have checked nothing and prefer the CNN narrative

and so be it

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Reply #434 - May 16th, 2017 at 12:21pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 12:07pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 12:05pm:
All of those posts, yet no actual scientific proof...  No verifiable and duplicatable experimenting or peer review.

One wonders if you are trying to burry my analysis AGAIN.


the facts are in


Where?

Quote:
you refuse to look at evidence and prefer fake CNN propaganda


But I did, and I even posted about your claimed evidence here,

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1394361776/419#419

You may have missed it with you 8 spam posts immediately following it in less than 10 minutes.

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no amount of evidence will sway you from your cnn programming and so be it


I am certainly open to evidence when ever it is available.  TO that, With the clip in question, I've asked you before, what parts of the video do you claim irrefutably show that it is fake news, you know, the current evidence you are referring to?

Are they staging the location, is it a blue screen or is it the contents of their report? Or all?

It is your claim and while it would be your responsibility to prove them I've not even asking you to do that.

I am simply asking you to clarify your claims so I can digest the evidence in context.  The onus is well and truly on your in this regard to do so as they are YOUR CLAIMS!

But how many weeks has it been, how many times have we had to go around in circles?  Why are you so scared to put in black and white what part of the video shows it to be fake news?

The floor is yours my friend.
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