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Re: Epic Chemtrails
Reply #435 - May 16th, 2017 at 12:23pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 12:13pm:
you have checked nothing


Did you miss this?

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Ok, if you honestly believe that then we have vastly different ideas of what constitutes evidence.

Firstly this "truth seeker" is effectively scientifically illiterate.  She has done her best to google things but the conclusions she's reached are wildly misinformed and even if they weren't, she's only talking about the "proof" she's found that show that airliners are in fact laying chemtrails everywhere.  It has nothing to do with Pollen Storms.

What she has done is find "evidence" such as sun damage and oxidation of road signs etc to show that Barium is in the air thanks to chemtrails and it's highly "reactable" (or more correctly, 'reactive') nature is the cause.  It doesn't matter that there is zero evidence to reach that conclusion. 

There were no tests done to check for the presence of Barium in those signs or the environment around them and nothing but her desire for a link to be there and your willingness to believe it to link the two.

Zero Proof.

Then as you have said the video claims, again by a scientifically and in this case medically illiterate person that Barium creates the symptoms we saw in Melbourne when it ignores the delay in exposure, the levels required and it's persistence in the body for up to 4 weeks later and is easily discovered with conventional testing.  Yet still no evidence.

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the proof is also shown and you dismiss that too

No, there isn't.  I'm not just dismissing it, I've just explained that it is not proof.

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you prefer to wind up your old blowbag of sad sack soured grapes from the sting of past defeats ..

please point to any concerns and evidence raised in the first 7 minutes and prove this evidence as disinformation .

You have found "evidence" from someone who open admitted to first believing that chemtrails are a thing and then worked backwards from there to find proof.  To someone with a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Now she says that because of the barium in the air, that explains the green glow around fireballs as they enter the atmosphere because the Government must have recently 'chemtrailed'.  Case closed?  Proof of Barium chemtrails? 

Again, no proof offered whatsoever.

You'd have to first ignore the accepted explanation for the green glow being that they're meteors whose shockwaves lead to electrically charged oxygen similar to that seen in auroras, aka glowing green.  It's not burning barium. Then of course there is again the glaring lack of any testing or evidence of barium levels.

Then she goes on to propose that all of this is happening in order to create the conditions to harvest antiprotons from the atmosphere in combination with radio wave boxes, cosmic rays and the chemtrailed barium, but there is a layered conspiracy theory even there, that these antiprotons can be used to fight cancer so that will be told to the public but the true reason for their harvesting is quantum computers.

This reflective layer of barium in the atmosphere, seeded by chemtrails of course, is used to intercept phone calls and wifi signals and even block satellite imagery but most importantly they're creating these ion traps to collect and harvest these antiprotons for quantum computing.

/facepalm

All these claims, yes, claims not proof, may seem perfectly normal if you WANT to believe that. But the most obvious and glaring omission from all of this is the complete and total lack of any testing, experiments or investigations other than the failed logic of a scientifically illiterate conspiracy nut armed with Google.

Nothing has been proven what so ever in this video, not a single thing.

At best, AT BEST, if you ignore all of the actually researched and peer reviewed conclusions that explains much of what she questions, if you ignore all of that and you desperately want chemtrails to be real and part of some global conspiracy then some, SOME of what she is proposing would warrant further investigation.

BUT upon doing said investigation you would discover all the answers to those questions and they have nothing to do with chemtrails.

I've watched the whole video, not just the first 7 minutes and I'm left with many things.

First, if you believe this proves anything you really have no understand what so ever about what constitutes proof, none.  Ignoring all the explanations you don't like that don't fit with your predetermined notions and then using warped logic to draw wildly inaccurate conclusions from the already untrustworthy data that does fit in with your predetermined notions,
this is not proof.


Secondly, I honestly believe that she thinks she's onto something, she has discovered through Google a hidden truth. In reality she is a weak minded scientifically illiterate fool spreading misinformation in order to reinforce a conspiracy theory she is far too invested in to let go now.

Thirdly, this has nothing to do with Pollen Storms at all. You've presented this as proof of those who suffered during the pollen storms were in fact victims of chemtrailing. Not Proof.

Even if you misinterpreted the health impacts of exposure to barium, you would have to dismiss all the evidence and explanations as to what actually occurred and has done so in other places around the world, you have not provided any proof at all of the use of barium.
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Re: Epic Chemtrails
Reply #436 - May 16th, 2017 at 12:39pm
 
I have exposed the connection, the work is done

regardless of your spam .

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-23/thunderstorm-asthma-student-days-away-from...

'Thunderstorm asthma': Four people now believed dead, could have been more, minister says


Updated 23 Nov 2016, 5:10pm

...

A fourth death has been attributed to Melbourne's "thunderstorm asthma" emergency on Monday night, and it was lucky there were not more according to the state's Health Minister.

More than 2,000 people suffered breathing problems
when a severe storm combined with an extreme pollen count to cause what is being described as "thunderstorm asthma".

Hospitals were swamped with emergency patients, while firefighters and police were called on to help paramedics respond to thousands of calls after the conditions caused breathing problems for Victorians.

Jill Hennessy, the Health Minister, said it was like "a bomb going off", with all ambulances, police, fire and non-emergency transport being used to deal with the crisis.

"Our health system was stretched to the limit," she told 774 ABC Melbourne.

"We know that we've got some people in intensive care units as well.

"At one point we had 140 code one cases, while dealing with other patients, all of them were cardiac arrests or severe respiratory conditions."




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More than 2,000 people suffered breathing problems
when a severe storm combined with an extreme pollen count to cause what is being described as "thunderstorm asthma".





I THINK I KNOW WHY THEY ARE CHEM-TRAILING WITH BARIUM - EXPLAINED IN THE FIRST 7 MINUTES + MY PROOF


Published on Apr 26, 2017
I genuinely hope that this is a solid, well-rounded, rational explanation of what might be going on. Something possible that our community can build upon and progress with. A start toward understanding what is beyond our control. My focus is on Barium, but that is only the beginning.

-The cloud layer is highly reflective and refractive, creating the perfect barrier to keep out prying eyes, and to prevent certain communications.
-We don’t know what is going on with the sun, and this cloud layer is perfect to cloak this.
-To create ion traps by generating a cloud layer laced with Barium (possibly to deplete any unwanted gasses), send a Radio Frequency Wave through it, and harvest anti-protons for CERN’s quantum computer.

How we can know that Barium is being used:
-As chem-trails disperse, Barium filters down and people have been collecting the substance in their own backyards.
-It is not naturally occurring and must be manufactured, due to its highly reactive state.
-Barium is known to create the apple-green color in fireworks, and may well be the causation of green-colored fireballs.
-It attacks the nervous system, and is toxic. It does not bio-accumulate and can be relieved as it disperses and goes away, taking with it any strange symptoms. There are many other health problems (lungs, etc.).

-It is known to bleach, and could be the possible cause of faded signs and other structures.
-It facilitates the release of electrons from particles, which could be a cause of higher levels of radiation in our atmosphere.

All of these are a by-product of something else- the same way a pharmaceutical will have side-effects as it “fixes” the main problem. My guess is, we only know of the “side-effects” until now.
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Re: Epic Chemtrails
Reply #437 - May 16th, 2017 at 12:44pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 12:39pm:
I have exposed the connection, the work is done

regardless of your spam .


Hahaha after all this you accuse me of spam.  Gold.

Just keep ignoring my questions and reposting the same thing which ironically in the same post where you accuse me of spamming, you're reposting the same thing for the 5th time in this thread alone.

Who is the one spamming again?

Get a backbone, learn how to fact check and for god's sake learn how to spot the truth from bullshit online. 
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Re: Epic Chemtrails
Reply #438 - May 16th, 2017 at 12:57pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 12:44pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 12:39pm:
I have exposed the connection, the work is done

regardless of your spam .


Hahaha after all this you accuse me of spam.  Gold.

Just keep ignoring my questions and reposting the same thing which ironically in the same post where you accuse me of spamming, you're reposting the same thing for the 5th time in this thread alone.

Who is the one spamming again?

Get a backbone, learn how to fact check and for god's sake learn how to spot the truth from bullshit online. 


your constant spam does nothing to discredit the facts observed

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-23/thunderstorm-asthma-student-days-away-from...

'Thunderstorm asthma': Four people now believed dead, could have been more, minister says


Updated 23 Nov 2016, 5:10pm

...

A fourth death has been attributed to Melbourne's "thunderstorm asthma" emergency on Monday night, and it was lucky there were not more according to the state's Health Minister.

More than 2,000 people suffered breathing problems
when a severe storm combined with an extreme pollen count to cause what is being described as "thunderstorm asthma".

Hospitals were swamped with emergency patients, while firefighters and police were called on to help paramedics respond to thousands of calls after the conditions caused breathing problems for Victorians.

Jill Hennessy, the Health Minister, said it was like "a bomb going off", with all ambulances, police, fire and non-emergency transport being used to deal with the crisis.

"Our health system was stretched to the limit," she told 774 ABC Melbourne.

"We know that we've got some people in intensive care units as well.

"At one point we had 140 code one cases, while dealing with other patients, all of them were cardiac arrests or severe respiratory conditions."




Quote:
More than 2,000 people suffered breathing problems
when a severe storm combined with an extreme pollen count to cause what is being described as "thunderstorm asthma".





I THINK I KNOW WHY THEY ARE CHEM-TRAILING WITH BARIUM - EXPLAINED IN THE FIRST 7 MINUTES + MY PROOF


Published on Apr 26, 2017
I genuinely hope that this is a solid, well-rounded, rational explanation of what might be going on. Something possible that our community can build upon and progress with. A start toward understanding what is beyond our control. My focus is on Barium, but that is only the beginning.

-The cloud layer is highly reflective and refractive, creating the perfect barrier to keep out prying eyes, and to prevent certain communications.
-We don’t know what is going on with the sun, and this cloud layer is perfect to cloak this.
-To create ion traps by generating a cloud layer laced with Barium (possibly to deplete any unwanted gasses), send a Radio Frequency Wave through it, and harvest anti-protons for CERN’s quantum computer.

How we can know that Barium is being used:
-As chem-trails disperse, Barium filters down and people have been collecting the substance in their own backyards.
-It is not naturally occurring and must be manufactured, due to its highly reactive state.
-Barium is known to create the apple-green color in fireworks, and may well be the causation of green-colored fireballs.
-It attacks the nervous system, and is toxic. It does not bio-accumulate and can be relieved as it disperses and goes away, taking with it any strange symptoms. There are many other health problems (lungs, etc.).

-It is known to bleach, and could be the possible cause of faded signs and other structures.
-It facilitates the release of electrons from particles, which could be a cause of higher levels of radiation in our atmosphere.

All of these are a by-product of something else- the same way a pharmaceutical will have side-effects as it “fixes” the main problem. My guess is, we only know of the “side-effects” until now.

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Re: Epic Chemtrails
Reply #439 - May 16th, 2017 at 1:29pm
 
6th time now.  The spam is strong with this one.

I'm willing to continue a dialogue with you, however, it's a back and forth.  I've addressed your "evidence" and you've dismissed that, again rather ironically as with your spam claims, by claiming I've been dismissing you.

You've now brought up CNN again rather than replying to me, typical distraction, and now are ignoring my questions about your claims of Fake News with the CNN video.

There is no back and forth.  You're just changing the goal posts and refusing to answer questions and acknowledge the comments of others by accusing them of ignoring you.  What the?

That's not how it works princess.  Please answer my very simple question outlined here,

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1394361776/434#434

ProudKangaroo wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
I've asked you before, what parts of the video do you claim irrefutably show that it is fake news, you know, the current evidence you are referring to?

Are they staging the location, is it a blue screen or is it the contents of their report? Or all?

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Re: Epic Chemtrails
Reply #440 - May 16th, 2017 at 1:48pm
 
this chemtrail information is ontopic

unlike your cnn propaganda

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-23/thunderstorm-asthma-student-days-away-from...

'Thunderstorm asthma': Four people now believed dead, could have been more, minister says


Updated 23 Nov 2016, 5:10pm

...

A fourth death has been attributed to Melbourne's "thunderstorm asthma" emergency on Monday night, and it was lucky there were not more according to the state's Health Minister.

More than 2,000 people suffered breathing problems
when a severe storm combined with an extreme pollen count to cause what is being described as "thunderstorm asthma".

Hospitals were swamped with emergency patients, while firefighters and police were called on to help paramedics respond to thousands of calls after the conditions caused breathing problems for Victorians.

Jill Hennessy, the Health Minister, said it was like "a bomb going off", with all ambulances, police, fire and non-emergency transport being used to deal with the crisis.

"Our health system was stretched to the limit," she told 774 ABC Melbourne.

"We know that we've got some people in intensive care units as well.

"At one point we had 140 code one cases, while dealing with other patients, all of them were cardiac arrests or severe respiratory conditions."




Quote:
More than 2,000 people suffered breathing problems
when a severe storm combined with an extreme pollen count to cause what is being described as "thunderstorm asthma".





I THINK I KNOW WHY THEY ARE CHEM-TRAILING WITH BARIUM - EXPLAINED IN THE FIRST 7 MINUTES + MY PROOF


Published on Apr 26, 2017
I genuinely hope that this is a solid, well-rounded, rational explanation of what might be going on. Something possible that our community can build upon and progress with. A start toward understanding what is beyond our control. My focus is on Barium, but that is only the beginning.

-The cloud layer is highly reflective and refractive, creating the perfect barrier to keep out prying eyes, and to prevent certain communications.
-We don’t know what is going on with the sun, and this cloud layer is perfect to cloak this.
-To create ion traps by generating a cloud layer laced with Barium (possibly to deplete any unwanted gasses), send a Radio Frequency Wave through it, and harvest anti-protons for CERN’s quantum computer.

How we can know that Barium is being used:
-As chem-trails disperse, Barium filters down and people have been collecting the substance in their own backyards.
-It is not naturally occurring and must be manufactured, due to its highly reactive state.
-Barium is known to create the apple-green color in fireworks, and may well be the causation of green-colored fireballs.
-It attacks the nervous system, and is toxic. It does not bio-accumulate and can be relieved as it disperses and goes away, taking with it any strange symptoms. There are many other health problems (lungs, etc.).

-It is known to bleach, and could be the possible cause of faded signs and other structures.
-It facilitates the release of electrons from particles, which could be a cause of higher levels of radiation in our atmosphere.

All of these are a by-product of something else- the same way a pharmaceutical will have side-effects as it “fixes” the main problem. My guess is, we only know of the “side-effects” until now.

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Re: Epic Chemtrails
Reply #441 - May 16th, 2017 at 1:53pm
 
the evidence is overwhelming and you think its a pollen outbreak

why ?

because msm tells you how to think and you continue the false and fake news narrative

I simply catch you out every time ..



I THINK I KNOW WHY THEY ARE CHEM-TRAILING WITH BARIUM - EXPLAINED IN THE FIRST 7 MINUTES + MY PROOF


Published on Apr 26, 2017
I genuinely hope that this is a solid, well-rounded, rational explanation of what might be going on. Something possible that our community can build upon and progress with. A start toward understanding what is beyond our control. My focus is on Barium, but that is only the beginning.

-The cloud layer is highly reflective and refractive, creating the perfect barrier to keep out prying eyes, and to prevent certain communications.
-We don’t know what is going on with the sun, and this cloud layer is perfect to cloak this.
-To create ion traps by generating a cloud layer laced with Barium (possibly to deplete any unwanted gasses), send a Radio Frequency Wave through it, and harvest anti-protons for CERN’s quantum computer.

How we can know that Barium is being used:
-As chem-trails disperse, Barium filters down and people have been collecting the substance in their own backyards.
-It is not naturally occurring and must be manufactured, due to its highly reactive state.
-Barium is known to create the apple-green color in fireworks, and may well be the causation of green-colored fireballs.
-It attacks the nervous system, and is toxic. It does not bio-accumulate and can be relieved as it disperses and goes away, taking with it any strange symptoms. There are many other health problems (lungs, etc.).

-It is known to bleach, and could be the possible cause of faded signs and other structures.


-It facilitates the release of electrons from particles, which could be a cause of higher levels of radiation in our atmosphere.


All of these are a by-product of something else- the same way a pharmaceutical will have side-effects as it “fixes” the main problem. My guess is, we only know of the “side-effects” until now.



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Re: Epic Chemtrails
Reply #442 - May 16th, 2017 at 2:36pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 1:48pm:
this chemtrail information is ontopic

unlike your cnn propaganda



Your chemtrail "evidence" to justify it being the true cause of the "Pollen Storm" has been addressed and debunked, you then brought up CNN and Fake News which has left you open to questions about those claims.

Also, 7th time you've posted the above.

...

I know how much you like memes so I thought it's post one of my own.

I get it, you can't counter the claims made so you want to bury them.  I know it might seem like the right thing to do, but you're only doubling down on stupid.

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All of these are a by-product of something else- the same way a pharmaceutical will have side-effects as it “fixes” the main problem. My guess is, we only know of the “side-effects” until now.


Even your own quote shows your evidence for what it is, "guesswork" of those who desperately want to take credit for proving chemtrails.

Continued spamming over and over your debunked "evidence" will not simply make it true, nor will the analysis of your bullshit disappear.

But even if your evidence did stand up to scrutiny, the claim that chemtrails were the cause of the Pollen Storm casualties, again one of your own claims still has no basis in reality.

It's like you're stuck in an endless loop of stupidity...

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Re: Epic Chemtrails
Reply #443 - May 16th, 2017 at 2:47pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 1:53pm:
the evidence is overwhelming and you think its a pollen outbreak

why ?

because msm tells you how to think and you continue the false and fake news narrative


No, because there is no evidence to the contrary and there is science to backup the "fake news narrative".

I know you think you've posted evidence, but again, your bullshit has been debunked.

Quote:
I simply catch you out every time ..


No, all you're doing in running from scrutiny.

8 times now you've posted the same thing and ignored the evaluation of your evidence you demanded I do.  I watched all one hour of your video then took the time to research but a few points and presented you with that.  You have done everything since then to avoid not only facing the criticism but even acknowledging it even exists instead pushing the line that you've caught me out?

Please...

Your 'evidence' as per usual did not stand up to the most basic of scrutiny and you've reverted to "say it enough time and it will become true" mode.

Princess, that's now how it works.  It's either true or it isn't.

In your case, it isn't.  "Truth_Seeker" as well intentioned as she may be is scientifically illiterate and not only doesn't know what she's talking about, but in all 1 hour + of the video failed to offer any evidence.  There was plenty of ignoring of provable fact and insinuations that since there is no explanation (simply because she ignored it) therefore chemtrails.

It is up to you to prove your claims.  I have evaluated your proof and let you know where it is lacking (in practically every way possible for the record). 

All you have to offer is reposting it, over and over, we're at 8 times now, hoping that it will make it true?

Hilarious.

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Re: Epic Chemtrails
Reply #444 - May 16th, 2017 at 11:54pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 2:47pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 1:53pm:
the evidence is overwhelming and you think its a pollen outbreak

why ?

because msm tells you how to think and you continue the false and fake news narrative


No, because there is no evidence to the contrary and there is science to backup the "fake news narrative".

I know you think you've posted evidence, but again, your bullshit has been debunked.

Quote:
I simply catch you out every time ..


No, all you're doing in running from scrutiny.

8 times now you've posted the same thing and ignored the evaluation of your evidence you demanded I do.  I watched all one hour of your video then took the time to research but a few points and presented you with that.  You have done everything since then to avoid not only facing the criticism but even acknowledging it even exists instead pushing the line that you've caught me out?

Please...

Your 'evidence' as per usual did not stand up to the most basic of scrutiny and you've reverted to "say it enough time and it will become true" mode.

Princess, that's now how it works.  It's either true or it isn't.

In your case, it isn't.  "Truth_Seeker" as well intentioned as she may be is scientifically illiterate and not only doesn't know what she's talking about, but in all 1 hour + of the video failed to offer any evidence.  There was plenty of ignoring of provable fact and insinuations that since there is no explanation (simply because she ignored it) therefore chemtrails.

It is up to you to prove your claims.  I have evaluated your proof and let you know where it is lacking (in practically every way possible for the record). 

All you have to offer is reposting it, over and over, we're at 8 times now, hoping that it will make it true?

Hilarious.

Namaste.


you seem upset at the evidence

...

so be it and yet the evidence remains on and for the record ..

you simply refuse to entertain or research and simply say " fraid not " and think that is a rebuttal .. it is not .

you have yet to even look at this information ,

https://climateviewer.com/2015/03/15/aluminum-barium-and-chemtrails-explained-ju...

Aluminum, Barium, and Chemtrails Explained – JUST THE FACTS


...

I have been researching the chemtrail phenomenon for over three years now and I am constantly asked the same questions, so to alleviate much personal grief and provide a singular source of accurate information I have created this FAQ for you to share, challenge, debate, and hopefully contribute to.  Let’s dive in:

#1 There’s Barium and Aluminum in the Chemtrails

True.

Atmospheric Aluminum A2O3

The predominate source of anthropogenic aluminum in rain and soil samples are raining down from space, blame the rockets:

Each time a space shuttle is launched, the solid rocket boosters release 240 tons of HCl gas, 26 tons of chlorine gas, 7 tons of nitrogen dioxide gas, and 304 tons of aluminum oxide into the atmosphere.  The resulting hydrochloric acid dissolves eight inches of concrete on the launch pad, raises the concentration of hydrochloric acid in nearby lakes to 3 M, produces massive fish kills in the ocean, and destroys the paint on cars.  Leading chemists believe that the HCl is a major contributor to the holes in the ozone layer.
source, see also: Space Shuttle Exhausted Aluminum Oxide’ A Measured Particle Size Distribution W. R. COFER III AND G. C. PURGOLD Atmospheric Sciences Division, NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Virginia E. L. WINSTEAD ST Systems Corporation, Hampton, Virginia R. A. EDAHL Materials Division, NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Virginia  1991

That’s right space fans, rockets!  304 tons per launch, 608,000 pounds of aluminum oxide.  But wait, there’s more!  Welcome to the future of aluminum: ALICE!

Rocket propellant has barely changed in the more than 50 years since the launch of the first artificial satellite Sputnik. But a new mixture of nano-aluminum powder and frozen water could make rocket launches more environmentally friendly, and even allow spacecraft to refuel at distant locations such as the moon or Mars.

The aluminum-ice propellant known as ALICE gets its kick from a chemical reaction between water and aluminum. Space.com 2009

The interactions between aluminum exhaust and water have been studied since 1962’s Project Highwater when Atlas rockets dumped 23,000 gallons of water into the ionosphere to make it glow (airglow).

Aluminum interacts with the ionosphere to produce airglow, as does water releases.  It does not surprise me that ALICE combines the two, here’s why:


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Re: Epic Chemtrails
Reply #445 - May 16th, 2017 at 11:55pm
 
Also, the term “green propellant” is often confusing, as many assume a green propellant has no environmental impact. Such a propellant is generally beyond the realm of physical possibility. All propellants affect the environment in some way. For instance, all launch vehicles produce exhaust. The components of this exhaust can include soot, carbon dioxide, alumina, inorganic chlorine, water vapor, sulfates, and nitrogen oxides. All of these have an environmental impact, and may contribute to climate change, ozone destruction, or upper atmospheric contrails, depending on the atmospheric layer in which they are deposited; however, the severity and duration of the impact can vary greatly. Given this fact, a green propellant is more correctly viewed as one that seeks to minimize or eliminate a critical environmental impact in one or more of the four main areas. A green propellant is likely to have its own environmental impacts, which may be equal to the current technology in certain areas. For example, many green propellants seek to eliminate hydrazine because of its biologic impact, but they still present atmospheric or space-based effects. Aerospace.org 2011

Nano-particle Aluminum Steam

They are now using nano-particle aluminum to boil frozen water, putting it in ALICE rockets, and we have to consider the possibilities of this technology as it pertains to chemtrails:



Anthropogenic aluminum comes from rockets, very little comes from chemtrails if any, in my humble opinion.

Although rockets produce tons more aluminum than planes do, both are tiny compared to good ole dirt blowing up from the ground:

A LARGE SILICON-ALUMINUM AEROSOL PLUME IN CENTRAL ILLINOIS: NORTH AFRICAN DESERT DUST? 1995

During a summer atmospheric chemistry field project in central Illinois in 1979, unusually high concentration of Si, AI, and other earth’s crust elements were observed simultaneously in two series of 2-h aerosol samples collected at sites separated by about 20 km. The Si-A1 “event” persisted for about 32 h, and was accompanied by winds shifting from east through north as a weak low pressure area moved eastward across southeJrn Illinois, and a nearly stationary front moved back and forth across the study area. Comparison of aerosol Si/AI and Ca/A1 ratios during the event with those in possible sources showed that local soils, coal flyash, and A1 smelter emissions were unlikely sources of the observed plume, and focused the investigation on distant dust sources. Climatology favors north Africa over the western United States as a source of desert dust in summer.

Forty-eight hour back-trajectories from Illinois show flow from the Gulf of Mexico. Temperature and humidity soundings at Key West, Florida, three days before the onset of the dust plume in Illinois, showed a typical “Sahara air” profile, and simultaneous mineral dust measurements at Miami indicated a strong influx of North African dust at the same time. The evidence indicates that North African dust is the most likely source of the observed high concentrations of Si and AI in central Illinois in July 1979, and illustrates that long range transport can influence air quality at great distances from source a;~eas. Copyright © 1996 Elsevier Science Ltd

http://www.rsmas.miami.edu/users/jprospero/Publications/Gatz-Prospero_Afr%20dust%20Illinois_AtmosEnviron96.pdf

When jet aircraft switched from gasoline based fuel to kerosene (diesel) fuel the aluminum content of the fuels skyrocketed.  See this chart Trace Element and Polycyclic Aromatic  Hydrocarbon Analyses of Jet Engine Fuels: Jet A, JP5, and JP8:

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Aluminum Jet Fuel Additives

Spray Visualization of Alternative Aviation Turbine Fuel embedded with Metallic Nanoparticles
Energetic Nanoparticles as Fuel Additives for Enhanced Performance in Propulsion Systems
Reduction of emissions and fuel consumption in a compression ignition engine using nanoparticles
Nanoparticles increase biofuel performance
Why add nanoparticles? The idea, says lead author R. B. Anand, an associate professor of mechanical engineering at the National Institute of Technology in Tiruchirappalli, India, is that because of their high surface-to-volume ratio, the nanoparticles—which, in the study, had an average diameter of 51 billionths of a meter—have more reactive surfaces, allowing them to act as more efficient chemical catalysts, thus increasing fuel combustion. The presence of the particles also increases fuel–air mixing in the fuel, which leads to more complete burning.

In the study, Anand and co-author J. Sadhik Basha first used a mechanical agitator to create an emulsion consisting of jatropha biodiesel (a fuel derived from the crushed seeds of the jatropha plant), water, and a surfactant, then blended in different proportions of alumina nanoparticles. In addition to outperforming regular biofuel, the nanoparticle-spiked fuels produced significantly lower quantities of nitrogen oxide and carbon monoxide gases, and created less smoke.

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Re: Epic Chemtrails
Reply #446 - May 16th, 2017 at 11:56pm
 
The researchers are now testing other types of nanoparticles, including hollow carbon nanotubes, and investigating the effects of nano-additives to engine lubrication and cooling systems. One obstacle to the application of this kind of nanotechnology is the high cost of nanoparticle production, says Anand—who also cautions that nanoparticles “should be used judiciously,” because they tend to “entrain into human bodies.“
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2011-04-nanoparticles-biofuel.html



Atmospheric Sources of Barium

From the IPCC’s first assessment on Climate Change’s report we see confirmation that indeed barium and aluminum are in the exhaust plumes of jets.

3.2.3.2 Metal Particles

Aircraft jet engines also directly emit metal particles. Their sources include engine erosion and the combustion of fuel containing trace metal impurities or metal particles that enter the exhaust with the fuel (Chapter 7). Metal particles-comprising elements such as Al, Ti, Cr, Fe, Ni, and Ba-are estimated to be present at the parts per billion by volume (ppbv) level at nozzle exit planes (CIAP, 1975; Fordyce and Sheibley, 1975). The corresponding concentrations of 107 to 108 particles/kg fuel (assuming 1-mm radius; see below) are much smaller than for soot. Although metals have been found as residuals in cirrus and contrail ice particles (Chen et al., 1998; Petzold et al., 1998; Twohy and Gandrud, 1998), their number and associated mass are considered too small to affect the formation or properties of more abundant volatile and soot plume aerosol particles.

Aluminum, Titanium, Chromium, Iron, Nickel, and Barium are estimated to be in the parts per billion, meaning very small (trace) amounts.  Barium in jets comes from STADIS 450, an additive that has been in use since 1962 which contains trade secret chemicals and SARA 313 toxins.

Stadis 450 Barium Salt [MSDS trade secret] [MSDS full]

TRIMETHYLBENZENE (SARA 313)
10 – 30% TRADE SECRET POLYMER CONTAINING SULPHUR
5 – 10% TRADE SECRET POLYMER CONTAINING NITROGEN
NAPHTHALENE (SARA 313)

“R-11 Highly flammable. R-36 Irritating to eyes. R-67 Vapours may cause drowsiness and dizziness. R-51/53 Toxic to aquatic organisms, may cause long-term adverse effects in the aquatic environment. R-65 Harmful: may cause lung damage if swallowed. R-66 Repeated exposure may cause skin dryness or cracking. R-22 Harmful if swallowed. R-40 Limited evidence of a carcinogenic effect. R-50/53 Very toxic to aquatic organisms, may cause long-term adverse effects in the aquatic environment. Not classified. R-36/38 Irritating to eyes and skin. R-38 Irritating to skin. R-48/20 Harmful: danger of serious damage to health by prolonged exposure through inhalation. R-63 Possible risk of harm to the unborn child.”

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DuPont created STADIS-450 in 1962 and ever since this barium salt fuel additive has been in every single jet fuel tank worldwide.  The purpose of STADIS-450 is to reduce static discharge from refueling to keep fuel from exploding.  Nonetheless, barium is a serious health concern for everyone on the planet.

Dinonylnaphthylsulfonic acid (DINNSA, Stadis 450)
Effects of barium fuel additive and fuel sulfur level on diesel particulate emissions
Effects of Barium-Based Additive on Diesel Exhaust Particulate
May 1963, Plasma Seeding and Magnetospheric Modification Begins


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create an artificial ion cloud in interplanetary space for studying the state of the interplanetary medium .. sounding rocket experiments  Foppl et al., 1965, http://www.igpp.ucla.edu/public/mkivelso/Publications/019-RS008i011p01035.pdf

February 14, 1964 to December 3, 1964, Artificial Strontium and Barium Clouds in the Upper Atmosphere

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June 1972, Project SECEDE Observations of the Developement of Striations in Large Barium Ion Clouds

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Striations develop within large (12-352 kg releases) barium ion clouds in a two-stage process. First the clouds split into sheets commencing at the trailing edge of the cloud.  Then distortions-or pinching effects within the individual sheets cause the formation of field-aligned ray-like structures.
In the clouds observed, the individual sheets were 200 m to 1000 m in thickness and were spaced 700 m to 2000 m apart. Quasi-sinu-soidal waviness or spatially periodic thickenings exhibited a wavelength typically 700 m to 1000 m.When rod-like structures appeared, these were typically-200 m to 400 m in diameter and were spaced along the pre-existing sheet at 700 m to 1000 m on centers. http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=AD0757916
November 1972, ARPA Project SECEDE II barium cloud releases

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Re: Epic Chemtrails
Reply #447 - May 16th, 2017 at 11:57pm
 
High resolution optical measurements were made of a series of high altitude barium releases at Eglin AFB during January 1971. Data was obtained on the individual cloud motions (ion and neutral), morphology, and fine structure striation development viewed up the geomagnetic field lines. http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/756938.pdf

January 1974, High-explosive shaped Barium charges pound ionosphere

Hollow conical liners of barium metal, detonated above 500-km altitude, jets of barium plasma with a range of initial velocity of 8 to 20 km/sec have been created. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/JA079i001p00159/abstract

And finally, just to prove my point:

July 1990 to September 1993, CRRES Ionospheric Modification and the Arecibo Heater

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ProudKangaroo wrote on May 16th, 2017 at 12:02pm:
Yet this has nothing to do with Pollen Storms and I've read that all of this has been debunked before and attributed to other things.  Some is also Fake News.


this is not a rebuttal

you must address the science here or run away scared as you are

yet either way be at peace

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Re: Epic Chemtrails
Reply #448 - May 17th, 2017 at 10:02am
 
many sour graped sad sacks love to look at tell a lie vision , msm and avoid true reality

look up ! eyes to the skies !

https://chemtrailsplanet.net/2014/01/17/chemtrails-defined-as-exotic-weapon-in-s...



Chemtrails Defined As Exotic Weapon in Space Preservation Act of 2001


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HR 2977 The Space & Preservation Act of 2001: Open admission of several theoretical weapon systems


HR 2977 The Space & Preservation Act of 2001: Open admission of several theoretical weapon systems.

Complete HR-2977 (PDF)

By Antony Pudney

This Act from the US Government contains open admissions of the existence of several weapon systems that have, in the mainstream media, been a subject only to be contemplated talking about when discriminating and discrediting so-called ‘conspiracy theorists’.

The people who have the courage to bring to public light the existence of such technologies, who have turned out to be right.

This Act contains admissions of the existence or the theoretical existence of; electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons; chemtrails; high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems; plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons; laser weapons systems; strategic, theater, tactical, or extra terrestrial weapons; and chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.

The terms ‘‘weapon’’ and ‘‘weapons system’’ mean a device capable of any of the following:
Damaging or destroying an object (whether in outer space, in the atmosphere, or on earth) by firing one or more projectiles to collide with that object; detonating one or more explosive devices in close proximity to that object; directing a source of energy (including molecular or atomic energy, subatomic particle beams, electromagnetic radiation, plasma, or extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation) against that object; or any other unacknowledged or as yet undeveloped means.

Inflicting death or injury on, or damaging or destroying, a person (or the biological life, bodily health, mental health, or physical and economic well-being of a person) through the use of any of the means described.

The term ‘‘exotic weapons systems’’ includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.

Please continue reading the whole act if you wish to get a good oversight of technology that normally is denied, but as we can see is legislated for.

107TH CONGRESS
1ST SESSION H. R. 2977

To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all
humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space
by the United States, and to require the President to take action to
adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
OCTOBER 2, 2001

Mr. KUCINICH introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee
on Science, and in addition to the Committees on Armed Services,
and International Relations, for a period to be subsequently determined
by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall
within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned
A BILL

To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the
benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the
basing of weapons in space by the United States, and
to require the President to take action to adopt and
implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representa2
tives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
3 SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
4 This Act may be cited as the ‘‘Space Preservation Act
5 of 2001’’.

•HR 2977 IH
1 SEC. 2. REAFFIRMATION OF POLICY ON THE PRESERVA2
TION OF PEACE IN SPACE.
3 Congress reaffirms the policy expressed in section
4 102(a) of the National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958
5 (42 U.S.C. 2451(a)), stating that it ‘‘is the policy of the
6 United States that activities in space should be devoted
7 to peaceful purposes for the benefit of all mankind.’’.
8 SEC. 3. PERMANENT BAN ON BASING OF WEAPONS IN
9 SPACE.
10 The President shall—
11 (1) implement a permanent ban on space-based
12 weapons of the United States and remove from
13 space any existing space-based weapons of the
14 United States; and
15 (2) immediately order the permanent termi16
nation of research and development, testing, manu17
facturing, production, and deployment of all space18
based weapons of the United States and their com19
ponents.
20 SEC. 4. WORLD AGREEMENT BANNING SPACE-BASED WEAP21
ONS.
22 The President shall direct the United States rep23
resentatives to the United Nations and other international
24 organizations to immediately work toward negotiating,
25 adopting, and implementing a world agreement banning
26 space-based weapons.

•HR 2977 IH
1 SEC. 5. REPORT.
2 The President shall submit to Congress not later than
3 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and
4 every 90 days thereafter, a report on—
5 (1) the implementation of the permanent ban
6 on space-based weapons required by section 3; and
7 (2) progress toward negotiating, adopting, and
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8 implementing the agreement described in section 4.
9 SEC. 6. NON SPACE-BASED WEAPONS ACTIVITIES.
10 Nothing in this Act may be construed as prohibiting
11 the use of funds for—
12 (1) space exploration;
13 (2) space research and development;
14 (3) testing, manufacturing, or production that
15 is not related to space-based weapons or systems; or
16 (4) civil, commercial, or defense activities (in17
cluding communications, navigation, surveillance, re18
connaissance, early warning, or remote sensing) that
19 are not related to space-based weapons or systems.
20 SEC. 7. DEFINITIONS.
21 In this Act:
22 (1) The term ‘‘space’’ means all space extend23
ing upward from an altitude greater than 60 kilo24
meters above the surface of the earth and any celes25
tial body in such space.

•HR 2977 IH
1 (2)(A) The terms ‘‘weapon’’ and ‘‘weapons sys2
tem’’ mean a device capable of any of the following:
3 (i) Damaging or destroying an object
4 (whether in outer space, in the atmosphere, or
5 on earth) by—
6 (I) firing one or more projectiles to
7 collide with that object;
8 (II) detonating one or more explosive
9 devices in close proximity to that object;
10 (III) directing a source of energy (in11
cluding molecular or atomic energy, sub12
atomic particle beams, electromagnetic ra13
diation, plasma, or extremely low frequency
14 (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) en15
ergy radiation) against that object; or
16 (IV) any other unacknowledged or as
17 yet undeveloped means.
18 (ii) Inflicting death or injury on, or dam19
aging or destroying, a person (or the biological
20 life, bodily health, mental health, or physical
21 and economic well-being of a person)—
22 (I) through the use of any of the
23 means described in clause (i) or subpara24
graph (B);

•HR 2977 IH
1 (II) through the use of land-based,
2 sea-based, or space-based systems using
3 radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic,
4 sonic, laser, or other energies directed at
5 individual persons or targeted populations
6 for the purpose of information war, mood
7 management, or mind control of such per8
sons or populations; or
9 (III) by expelling chemical or biologi10
cal agents in the vicinity of a person.
11 (B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems
12 such as—
13 (i) electronic, psychotronic, or information
14 weapons;
15 (ii) chemtrails;

16 (iii) high altitude ultra low frequency
17 weapons systems;
18 (iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ul19
trasonic weapons;
20 (v) laser weapons systems;
21 (vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extra22
terrestrial weapons; and
23 (vii) chemical, biological, environmental,
24 climate, or tectonic weapons.

•HR 2977 IH
1 (C) The term ‘‘exotic weapons systems’’ in2
cludes weapons designed to damage space or natural
3 ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper at4
mosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems
5 with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction
6 upon a target population or region on earth or in
7 space.

Original Document:

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-107hr2977ih/pdf/BILLS-107hr2977ih.pdf
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