AGW is supported as a theory by just about all working climate scientists. We know it is here from temperature records, from the Arctic and Antarctic and Greenland continuing to lose ice, from satellites recording more energy entering the atmosphere than escapes it and so on.

The blizzards hitting the UK and NW USA are caused by AGW—the lack of ice and rapid warming in the Arctic causing the jetstream to vary and lobes of frigid Arctic air escaping south.

Saying there is no AGW is just sticking your head in the sand.

The weather record is noisy. There is the El Nino and the La Nina phenomenon, volcanoes explosively erupting sending sulphides into the upper atmosphere (troposphere) which reflect sunlight and so cause a temporary cooling.

Jan 2014 had neither El Nino or La Nina systems operating, yet still broke a 117 year record.

Yes, AGW has weakened circumArctic winds, the jetstream and so lobes of frigid air can escape south and if blocked by a big stationery high pressure system these lobes cause snowfalls and blizzards.

So the cold UK/NW USA winters actually support the theory of AGW not refute it. Sorry.

I gave plenty of hard evidence as well, Gizmo.

Keep that head firmly in the sand. Not the way I like to face problems but it obviously is yours.

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 11:14am:


Exactly.  Global cooling & warming are a totally natural phenomena and neither are  turned on or off by the activities of ape decendents....

Eco-socialists have just hijacked the issue as a convenient political tool to bash corporatism and capitalism. 

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 11:40am:




oh god now you are bringing in a panic....now it will be G.Cooling and all Abbotts fault.. 

dont tell them that industry is also coming to an end will you???... not in our lifetime maybe but not long after...

its called progress....shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 11:40am:

False premise. Where is it stated anywhere that this is the stated aim?

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This is an unproven assertion, and can be ignored because it is constructed on a false premise.

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That in itself is a false premise.

You are asserting that the whole of AGW theory is based on pre-industrial levels of CO₂. It is not.

You are asserting this based on the false assumption that mitigating AGW is not just cutting CO2 emissions, but to return CO2 concentrations to pre-industrial levels. Nowhere have you supported this claim with any evidence because no such evidence exists.

You have implied that the temperatures were caused by CO₂ concentrations. The Maunder sunspot minimum has been hypothesised as another contributor to lowered global temperatures during the Little Ice Age.

Digging up black stuff out of the ground and burning it is not normal either. Where did all that coal and oil go after we burnt it? Much of it is still with us in the atmosphere, adding 100ppm to global CO₂ levels over the pre-industrial levels. That this increase is primarily caused by the burning of fossil fuels has been known since the 1960s.

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While an interesting argument, it is constructed on a false premise. However, I do note your implied acceptance that atmospheric CO₂ causes warming.

It is unlikely that CO₂ levels will return to pre-industrial levels any time soon, even with the most aggressive remediation possible, so I doubt this is going to be a problem.

However, we do need to be mindful of the causes of the Little Ice Age as well. Even the science of climate change has as an implied assumption for some models that the output of the sun will not change enough to influence the climate, that there won't be large volcanic eruptions, and there won't be other similar external factors in play. One big volcanic eruption can lower global temperatures by 1°C or more for half a decade. A 0.1% reduction in solar irradiance can also lower global temperatures by a similar amount. It doesn't mean the models that do not include these are wrong, just that they do not take these into account as core assumptions.

Bam wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 2:15pm:



It's stated everywhere Bam. Everything to do with AGW is about a return to pre-Industrial Revolution temperatures.