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Abbott's AGW Drought Package
Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:59am

Will Abbott's AGW funding be open ended since we are on track for a hotter and more extreme climate due to conservative's inaction … and if so how will it be paid for. Abbott doesn't want the money raised by the big CO2 polluters driving farmers off the land.

So who will be paying for the luxury of conservative's stupidity?

Tax payers?

Tony Abbott to unveil drought relief package

[url]http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/tony-abbott-to-unveil-drou...[/url]

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Abbott's AGW Drought Package Reply #1 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:02am There will be no AGW component to the drought relief.
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Re: Abbott's AGW Drought Package
Reply #2 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:05am

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:59am:

Will Abbott's AGW funding be open ended since we are on track for a hotter and more extreme climate due to conservative's inaction … and if so how will it be paid for. Abbott doesn't want the money raised by the big CO2 polluters driving farmers off the land.

So who will be paying for the luxury of conservative's stupidity?

Tax payers?

Tony Abbott to unveil drought relief package

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/tony-abbott-to-unveil-drought-r...

Doesn't need to be open ended, the drought will break as all droughts do, and since the temperatures have flat-lined for the last 17 years, there isn't any real risk of "a hotter and more extreme climate" is there?

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Re: Abbott's AGW Drought Package
Reply #3 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:07am

This drought is more intense because of the greenhouse effect from gases like CO2. This is AGW Drought assistane.

Meanwhile the conservatives are increasing pollution by attacking carbon pricing and RET.

Seems the conservatives are very confused over AGW and it's causes and effects … and are fighting with themselves because of.

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Re: Abbott's AGW Drought Package
Reply #4 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:10am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:59am:

Will Abbott's AGW funding be open ended since we are on track for a hotter and more extreme climate due to conservative's inaction … and if so how will it be paid for. Abbott doesn't want the money raised by the big CO2 polluters driving farmers off the land.

So who will be paying for the luxury of conservative's stupidity?

Tax payers?

Tony Abbott to unveil drought relief package

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/tony-abbott-to-unveil-drought-r...

Doesn't need to be open ended, the drought will break as all droughts do, and since the temperatures have flat-lined for the last 17 years, there isn't any real risk of "a hotter and more extreme climate" is there?

The temps haven't flatlined. Deep oceans have heated and atmosphere temps are still trending up.

The only thing that has flatlined, is the denialist's position.

AGW is real and AGW effects the quantity and depth of AGW droughts in Australia. With more AGW drought assistance means more money required. Where are the cons going to get it from … hiking the doctor tax?

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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Abbott's AGW Drought Package Reply #5 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:11am Is this the first drought in Australian history??...NO Is this the most extreme drought in Australian history...NO This is just another natural fluctuation of the climate/weather patterns, as any (honest) farmer will tell you.
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Re: Abbott's AGW Drought Package
Reply #6 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:13am

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:10am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:59am:

Will Abbott's AGW funding be open ended since we are on track for a hotter and more extreme climate due to conservative's inaction … and if so how will it be paid for. Abbott doesn't want the money raised by the big CO2 polluters driving farmers off the land.

So who will be paying for the luxury of conservative's stupidity?

Tax payers?

Tony Abbott to unveil drought relief package

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/tony-abbott-to-unveil-drought-r...

Doesn't need to be open ended, the drought will break as all droughts do, and since the temperatures have flat-lined for the last 17 years, there isn't any real risk of "a hotter and more extreme climate" is there?

The temps haven't flatlined. Deep oceans have heated and atmosphere temps are still trending up.

The only thing that has flatlined, is the denialist's position.

AGW is real (

Nope

) and AGW effects the quantity and depth of AGW droughts in Australia(

No such thing as 'AGW droughts')

. With more AGW drought assistance means more money required. Where are the cons going to get it from … hiking the doctor tax?

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Abbott's AGW Drought Package Reply #7 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:16am Temps flatlining—what crap! SA’s heatwave broke a 117 year record and was said by the BoM to be caused by AGW.
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Re: Abbott's AGW Drought Package
Reply #8 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:16am

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:10am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:59am:

Will Abbott's AGW funding be open ended since we are on track for a hotter and more extreme climate due to conservative's inaction … and if so how will it be paid for. Abbott doesn't want the money raised by the big CO2 polluters driving farmers off the land.

So who will be paying for the luxury of conservative's stupidity?

Tax payers?

Tony Abbott to unveil drought relief package

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/tony-abbott-to-unveil-drought-r...

Doesn't need to be open ended, the drought will break as all droughts do, and since the temperatures have flat-lined for the last 17 years, there isn't any real risk of "a hotter and more extreme climate" is there?

The temps haven't flatlined. Deep oceans have heated and atmosphere temps are still trending up.

The only thing that has flatlined, is the denialist's position.

AGW is real and AGW effects the quantity and depth of AGW droughts in Australia. With more AGW drought assistance means more money required. Where are the cons going to get it from … hiking the doctor tax?

omg you really are the Lt. Hiroo Onoda of climate bs aren't you Greenfool?

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Re: Abbott's AGW Drought Package
Reply #9 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:17am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:11am:

Is this the first drought in Australian history??...NO
Is this the most extreme drought in Australian history...NO

This is just another natural fluctuation of the climate/weather patterns, as any (honest) farmer will tell you.

It is natural as in human influence on climate by cooking the climate with excessive greenhouse gases, as many (honest) scientists will tell you. Geo manipulation by human activity does have it's effects.

Now who are the experts on global climate, indivicual farmers or climate scientists?

AGW is just the debt of environmental bad management. Abbott/conservatives are pro even more environmental debt being dumped on our economy and society so to push us towards environmental bankruptcy.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Abbott's AGW Drought Package Reply #10 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:21am St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:16am: Temps flatlining—what crap! SA’s heatwave broke a 117 year record and was said by the BoM to be caused by AGW. ....and what caused the previous record temp 117 years ago?
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Re: Abbott's AGW Drought Package
Reply #11 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:24am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:13am:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:10am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:59am:

Will Abbott's AGW funding be open ended since we are on track for a hotter and more extreme climate due to conservative's inaction … and if so how will it be paid for. Abbott doesn't want the money raised by the big CO2 polluters driving farmers off the land.

So who will be paying for the luxury of conservative's stupidity?

Tax payers?

Tony Abbott to unveil drought relief package

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/tony-abbott-to-unveil-drought-r...

Doesn't need to be open ended, the drought will break as all droughts do, and since the temperatures have flat-lined for the last 17 years, there isn't any real risk of "a hotter and more extreme climate" is there?

The temps haven't flatlined. Deep oceans have heated and atmosphere temps are still trending up.

The only thing that has flatlined, is the denialist's position.

AGW is real (

Nope

) and AGW effects the quantity and depth of AGW droughts in Australia(

No such thing as 'AGW droughts')

. With more AGW drought assistance means more money required. Where are the cons going to get it from … hiking the doctor tax?

The AGW debate is over, and your denialists have lost.

This is a drought in part being caused by AGW conditions.

Abbott is funding Environmental Debt with this package … while adding to the economy's environmental Debt by trying to make the largest greenhouse pollutioner pollute for free.

Abbott is pro environmental debt while having to subsidise this environmental debt with tax payer' funds.

Abbott must start decreasing this environmental debt by lifting the carbon price of the levy.

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Abbott's AGW Drought Package Reply #12 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:24am Who knows—the weather record is extremely noisy. But high temp records are being broken all the time, low temp records not.
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Re: Abbott's AGW Drought Package
Reply #13 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:56am

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:17am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:11am:

Is this the first drought in Australian history??...NO
Is this the most extreme drought in Australian history...NO

This is just another natural fluctuation of the climate/weather patterns, as any (honest) farmer will tell you.

It is natural as in human influence on climate by cooking the climate with excessive greenhouse gases, as many (honest) scientists will tell you. Geo manipulation by human activity does have it's effects.

Now who are the experts on global climate, indivicual farmers or climate scientists?

AGW is just the debt of environmental bad management. Abbott/conservatives are pro even more environmental debt being dumped on our economy and society so to push us towards environmental bankruptcy.

Sadly for you and the other true believers, the situation that you have feared all along as finally arrived. Co2 and temperatures are now so out of step that any hope of clinging to the causality theory (idea) of Co2 = temperature increase has flat lined. Now real scientific methodology has trumped enviro/poltical 'science'.

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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Abbott's AGW Drought Package Reply #14 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:59am What a complete and utter tosser this agw loon from the greens is. Keep up the good work, agw needs u to keep putting it in the loony fringe
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