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Re: Not one boat since December 19!
Reply #105 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:22am

olde.sault wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 10:32am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:30am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:05am:

ow that they're in Opposition (where they belong) they're blaming Abbott for everything to do with a problem they themselves created.

Actually no they're not. Their attack on Morrison has been extremely limited and muted - precisely because they would be attacking their own policy.

Thus far, labor attacks is literally restricted to the secrecy issue. Only the greens are attacking the overall policies related to punitive measures - offshore/outsourced processing, detention run by untrained thugs, and of course the whole "we're going to punish you for seeking our help by resettling you in 3rd world poo holes" thing.

If they can fly to Indonesia, they can fly here. That they try to sneak in the back door shows they are of suspicious character. It's that simple. They also wouldn't bypass countries that are UNHCR signatories - real refugees would stop at the first safe place they could find, not take a treacherous journey across the ocean in a leaky Indonesian fishing boat.

A true refugee would be eager to prove his claim of persecution therefore, he wouldn't throw away his documentation.

Documentation wouldn't prove persecution.

These illegals are just looking for an easier life for themselves and their clutch.

1. They're not "illegals". 2. Nothing wrong with striving for a better life.

Most of their womenfolk are good but have to keep their mouths shut.

So, you're a sexist bigot? Hmmm.

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Re: Not one boat since December 19!
Reply #106 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:36am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:22am:

olde.sault wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 10:32am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:30am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:05am:

ow that they're in Opposition (where they belong) they're blaming Abbott for everything to do with a problem they themselves created.

Actually no they're not. Their attack on Morrison has been extremely limited and muted - precisely because they would be attacking their own policy.

Thus far, labor attacks is literally restricted to the secrecy issue. Only the greens are attacking the overall policies related to punitive measures - offshore/outsourced processing, detention run by untrained thugs, and of course the whole "we're going to punish you for seeking our help by resettling you in 3rd world poo holes" thing.

If they can fly to Indonesia, they can fly here. That they try to sneak in the back door shows they are of suspicious character. It's that simple. They also wouldn't bypass countries that are UNHCR signatories - real refugees would stop at the first safe place they could find, not take a treacherous journey across the ocean in a leaky Indonesian fishing boat.

A true refugee would be eager to prove his claim of persecution therefore, he wouldn't throw away his documentation.

Documentation wouldn't prove persecution.

It would, however, prove their identity and allow authorities to verify and assess their claim.

These illegals are just looking for an easier life for themselves and their clutch.

1. They're not "illegals". 2. Nothing wrong with striving for a better life.

1. They're illegal immigrants, deal with it. 2. If they want a better life, apply through the proper channels like the people from the US, UK and a myriad of other countries do, instead of hopping onto a leaky boat in direct defiance against what the government has said is acceptable.

Most of their womenfolk are good but have to keep their mouths shut.

So, you're a sexist bigot? Hmmm.

Is it sexist and bigoted to state the obvious about how women are treated in some of the countries in question? Of course not!

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Re: Not one boat since December 19!
Reply #107 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:41am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:36am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:22am:

olde.sault wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 10:32am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:30am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:05am:

ow that they're in Opposition (where they belong) they're blaming Abbott for everything to do with a problem they themselves created.

Actually no they're not. Their attack on Morrison has been extremely limited and muted - precisely because they would be attacking their own policy.

Thus far, labor attacks is literally restricted to the secrecy issue. Only the greens are attacking the overall policies related to punitive measures - offshore/outsourced processing, detention run by untrained thugs, and of course the whole "we're going to punish you for seeking our help by resettling you in 3rd world poo holes" thing.

If they can fly to Indonesia, they can fly here. That they try to sneak in the back door shows they are of suspicious character. It's that simple. They also wouldn't bypass countries that are UNHCR signatories - real refugees would stop at the first safe place they could find, not take a treacherous journey across the ocean in a leaky Indonesian fishing boat.

A true refugee would be eager to prove his claim of persecution therefore, he wouldn't throw away his documentation.

Documentation wouldn't prove persecution.

It would, however, prove their identity and allow authorities to verify and assess their claim.

It wouldn't prove persecution - that's the issue.

These illegals are just looking for an easier life for themselves and their clutch.

1. They're not "illegals". 2. Nothing wrong with striving for a better life.

1. They're illegal immigrants, deal with it. 2. If they want a better life, apply through the proper channels like the people from the US, UK and a myriad of other countries do, instead of hopping onto a leaky boat in direct defiance against what the government has said is acceptable.

Incorrect: they are not illegal immigrants. Somebody has given you the wrong information.

Most of their womenfolk are good but have to keep their mouths shut.

So, you're a sexist bigot? Hmmm.

Is it sexist and bigoted to state the obvious about how women are treated in some of the countries in question? Of course not!

No, and I never said that it was. Stop assuming things.

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Re: Not one boat since December 19!
Reply #108 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:47am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:41am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:36am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:22am:

olde.sault wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 10:32am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:30am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 8:05am:

ow that they're in Opposition (where they belong) they're blaming Abbott for everything to do with a problem they themselves created.

Actually no they're not. Their attack on Morrison has been extremely limited and muted - precisely because they would be attacking their own policy.

Thus far, labor attacks is literally restricted to the secrecy issue. Only the greens are attacking the overall policies related to punitive measures - offshore/outsourced processing, detention run by untrained thugs, and of course the whole "we're going to punish you for seeking our help by resettling you in 3rd world poo holes" thing.

If they can fly to Indonesia, they can fly here. That they try to sneak in the back door shows they are of suspicious character. It's that simple. They also wouldn't bypass countries that are UNHCR signatories - real refugees would stop at the first safe place they could find, not take a treacherous journey across the ocean in a leaky Indonesian fishing boat.

A true refugee would be eager to prove his claim of persecution therefore, he wouldn't throw away his documentation.

Documentation wouldn't prove persecution.

It would, however, prove their identity and allow authorities to verify and assess their claim.

It wouldn't prove persecution - that's the issue.

You definitely can't prove or disprove anything if you can't verify their identity and country of origin and that's only possible with a passport.

These illegals are just looking for an easier life for themselves and their clutch.

1. They're not "illegals". 2. Nothing wrong with striving for a better life.

1. They're illegal immigrants, deal with it. 2. If they want a better life, apply through the proper channels like the people from the US, UK and a myriad of other countries do, instead of hopping onto a leaky boat in direct defiance against what the government has said is acceptable.

Incorrect: they are not illegal immigrants. Somebody has given you the wrong information.

Check the Department of Immigration's website - they're clearly defined there as illegal immigrants, not irregular arrivals, the absurd name given to them by Bowen as if they're users of some infrequent and legal ferry service!

Most of their womenfolk are good but have to keep their mouths shut.

So, you're a sexist bigot? Hmmm.

Is it sexist and bigoted to state the obvious about how women are treated in some of the countries in question? Of course not!

No, and I never said that it was. Stop assuming things.

Actually, you did.

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Re: Not one boat since December 19!
Reply #109 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:57am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:47am:

Check the Department of Immigration's website - they're clearly defined there as illegal immigrants ...

Nope. They are not defined there as illegal immigrants.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:47am:

Actually, you did.

Nope. You need your eyes checked.

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19466 Gender:	Re: Not one boat since December 19! Reply #110 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 12:14pm I see another boat load of illegals were returned to where they came from. That must be a kick in the nuts for labor who were totally useless in dealing with a problem they created.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 143938 Gender:	Re: Not one boat since December 19! Reply #111 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 12:32pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 11:47am: Check the Department of Immigration's website - they're clearly defined there as illegal immigrants ... I did. Perhaps you should check too: http://www.immi.gov.au/Live/Pages/refugees/no-way.aspx
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Re: Not one boat since December 19!
Reply #112 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 12:40pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 12:14pm:

I see another boat load of illegals were returned to where they came from.

That must be a kick in the nuts for labor who were totally useless in dealing with a problem they created.

It's the 7th boat returned to Indonesia.

I can't understand why the Indonesians are not too happy about this turn of events, and why they keep denying they know anything about the launching of these boats from their shores.

And why aren't the Indonesians returning these orange boats that the Liberal government has been using to send these human contraband back to Indonesia's safe shores?

It's taken decades, but at last we've got a no-nonsense prime minister in Tony Abbott who isn't afraid to give the Indonesian leadership a good kick up the arse for their years of cheeky mischief with the boat-people.

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5.56_ NATO Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 123 Gender:	Re: Not one boat since December 19! Reply #113 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 1:45pm The value of every lifeboat not returned to us should/could be deducted from our aid budget to the indons. A lot of that money goes straight into the pockets of the crooks at the top so it should get their attention
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Re: Not one boat since December 19!
Reply #114 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 4:12pm

5.56_ NATO wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 1:45pm:

The value of every lifeboat not returned to us should/could be deducted from our aid budget to the indons. A lot of that money goes straight into the pockets of the crooks at the top so it should get their attention

Good thinking.

But I doubt very much that even Abbott has the balls to make these deductions.

Maybe he will if he gets in for a second term.

The luvvies will say that Foreign Aid is all going to the poor and the needy, and that it would be them who suffer. Utter nonsense, of course.

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Leading British politicians want their country's aid to Nigeria stopped, asking why Britain should give over £1billion in aid to Nigeria which is spending hundreds of millions of pounds on its own space programme.

Nigeria has the second highest national income of all African countries and is to receive £275million from the UK this year alone, with a further yearly average of £250 million until 2015.

British politicians are angry that despite almost 70 per cent of the population living on less than 64 pence a day, the country intends to send astronauts into space in the next two years.

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"If India doesn't want our aid, stop it now", Cameron told after country labels £280m-a-year donations as 'peanuts'

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It's time the Western nations stopped making a bloody fool of themselves. We've become a laughing-stock.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39225 Gender:	Re: Not one boat since December 19! Reply #115 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 4:18pm Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 12:14pm: I see another boat load of illegals were returned to where they came from. That must be a kick in the nuts for labor who were totally useless in dealing with a problem they created. Where were they intercepted?
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Re: Not one boat since December 19!
Reply #116 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 4:50pm

5.56_ NATO wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 10:18am:

Rubin wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:11pm:

matty wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:07pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 5:47pm:

There is nothing to “beg to differ” about! Grammar is not logic or mathematics!

You ain’t no christian and that is for sure.

More a hypocrite—approves of people being imprisoned without hope for the crime of wanting to escape persecution and seek asylum and make a new life here, then on Sunday you go to church and think yourself a fine fellow!

Real christians are christians seven days a week.

You are a phony christian.

Yes there is. Strictly speaking, 'You ain't no Christian' would mean that you are saying that I am indeed a Christian.

As a Christian, I support a policy that has prevented seeing people dying at sea, like the 1200 who died under the watch of Labor and the Greens.

Where would you prefer to see them die?

.In their own countries preferably

Fair enough so let's cut our associations with the UN it costs us big time and stop pretending we give a dam. I'm fine with that, not fine with being a hypocrite pretending to care about what happens to other people. Stop spending money on foreign aid or sending our troops to fight for people we don't give a dam about. Spend our money building the country and defending our position. Fair enough ?

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Re: Not one boat since December 19!
Reply #117 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 5:56pm

Rubin wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 4:50pm:

Fair enough so let's cut our associations with the UN it costs us big time and stop pretending we give a dam.

I'm fine with that, not fine with being a hypocrite pretending to care about what happens to other people.

Stop spending money on foreign aid or sending our troops to fight for people we don't give a dam about.

Spend our money building the country and defending our position. Fair enough ?

Excellent commentary, Rubin. You're beginning to get your priorities right.

When our aborigines want for nothing, and are fully assimilated into mainstream society and reaping all of its benefits ~ maybe then we can start looking further afield to spend our charity dollars on.

But for as long as we have ... Quote:

"over 800 aborigines sleeping in the streets every night in Darwin"

.... then charity needs to be spent at home until our own house is in order.

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Re: Not one boat since December 19!
Reply #118 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 6:11pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 4:12pm:

5.56_ NATO wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 1:45pm:

The value of every lifeboat not returned to us should/could be deducted from our aid budget to the indons. A lot of that money goes straight into the pockets of the crooks at the top so it should get their attention

Good thinking.

But I doubt very much that even Abbott has the balls to make these deductions.

Maybe he will if he gets in for a second term.

The luvvies will say that Foreign Aid is all going to the poor and the needy, and that it would be them who suffer. Utter nonsense, of course.

Quote:

Leading British politicians want their country's aid to Nigeria stopped, asking why Britain should give over £1billion in aid to Nigeria which is spending hundreds of millions of pounds on its own space programme.

Nigeria has the second highest national income of all African countries and is to receive £275million from the UK this year alone, with a further yearly average of £250 million until 2015.

British politicians are angry that despite almost 70 per cent of the population living on less than 64 pence a day, the country intends to send astronauts into space in the next two years.

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"If India doesn't want our aid, stop it now", Cameron told after country labels £280m-a-year donations as 'peanuts'

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It's time the Western nations stopped making a bloody fool of themselves. We've become a laughing-stock.

We still come out ahead even factoring in the cost of these lifeboats.

83.5% of all country shopping economic migrants surveyed were still on centrelink up to 5 years after arriving here.

The unemployment rate for those who do not speak english is 100%

The governments resettlement survey has these figures.

Why do we give Indonesia over $10 million per week,that money could be spent on Australian industry.

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Re: Not one boat since December 19!
Reply #119 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:03pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 6:11pm:

Why do we give Indonesia over $10 million per week,that money could be spent on Australian industry.

Or more orange life boats.

Where is our Foreign Aid disappearing to in Indonesia? Isn't the money to fund humanitarian projects?

So after all these years of donating Foreign Aid to Indonesia why do prisoners in their jails still sleep on thin mattresses on the floor in small cells with a dozen prisoners in them?

Let's stop making fools of ourselves with these Third World gangster countries that secretly hate us for humiliating them with our charity donations.

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I noticed tonight that Abbott is still going ahead with his stupid and expensive 'Paid Parental Leave' scheme. What an idiot. Why not give them a free trip to Disneyland while he's about it?

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