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Re: Abbott to upset long–standing convention
Reply #15 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 8:27am

No problem

Labor will eventually returned (2016 hopefully) & then I can see all cabinet documents on "Operation Sovereign Borders" being released to the Hague, along with as another poster pointed out all those to do with Iraq.
It will be sweet schadenfreude as we watch 95% of the last 2 Liberal Governments be indited for crimes against humanity & warrants for their arrest issued, forcing them into exile.

The question will be then does the government freeze their assets & cancel their entitlements?

Good enough for Slobodan Milošević good enough for this lot of would be dictators

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Abbott to upset long–standing convention Reply #16 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 8:28am Let's hold another Royal Commission into the AWB scandal - a real one with proper terms of reference - and crack open Howard's cabinet papers.
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Re: Abbott to upset long–standing convention
Reply #17 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 8:30am

salad in wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 8:11am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:21pm:

transparency doesn't mean you get to give away all the secrets ..... Cheesy

The secrets of roof insulation v the secrets of border security; how to decide which is more important. I just hope that our secret formula for making roof insulation material doesn't fall into the wrong hands.

you don't decide .... thats the whole point .... you seriously aren't going to be dumb enough to support this?

I don't care what you think of Rudd or Gillard, you don't throw away a century old convention just for political gain. These conventions have been developed over the years for a reason.

Don't fool yourself that it's about truth or honesty, it's not, this is purely politically driven.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Abbott to upset long–standing convention Reply #18 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 8:31am If you want transparency in an enquiry then they need all documents. Sorry but why kick up a fuss unless there's something to hide??? I have no problem with opening them up.
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Re: Abbott to upset long–standing convention
Reply #19 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 8:34am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 8:31am:

If you want transparency in an enquiry then they need all documents.

Sorry but why kick up a fuss unless there's something to hide???

I have no problem with opening them up.

I agree...all cabinet documents should always be immediately available to the public after every cabinet meeting.
There should be no secrets from this or any previous government.

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Reply #20 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 8:53am

The stimulus package enacted by the Rudd Government was widely regarded as a success to keep Australia out of recession and stimulate the economy during a global downturn in growth......This is Abbotts attempt to undermine the stimulus program and the former Labor Government.....If the ALP do not learn from this and enact their own pay back when they are next in office I will be surprised.....The ALP should sack every former Coalition MP from every post they have been given by the Abbott Government as a matter of principle and the reasons for the Iraq war and the AWB scandal should be a good starting point for the ALP to enact operation pay back!!!

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Re: Abbott to upset long–standing convention
Reply #21 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 8:54am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 8:27am:

No problem

Labor will eventually returned (2016 hopefully) & then I can see all cabinet documents on "Operation Sovereign Borders" being released to the Hague, along with as another poster pointed out all those to do with Iraq.
It will be sweet schadenfreude as we watch 95% of the last 2 Liberal Governments be indited for crimes against humanity & warrants for their arrest issued, forcing them into exile.

The question will be then does the government freeze their assets & cancel their entitlements?

Good enough for Slobodan Milošević good enough for this lot of would be dictators

I'd also like to see the documents leading up to the Iraq invasion and the asbestos industry cover up.
I'm also interested to see how Abbott planned on skimming over this mountain of lies he's building as well as an investigation into his Sydney Uni days and having Pauline Hanson sent to prison on false charges..When Labor gets back into power they are gonna be very busy "doing an abbott" to the Liberal Party Cheesy

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Re: Abbott to upset long–standing convention
Reply #22 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 9:05am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 8:27am:

No problem

Labor will eventually returned (2016 hopefully) & then I can see all cabinet documents on "Operation Sovereign Borders" being released to the Hague, along with as another poster pointed out all those to do with Iraq.
It will be sweet schadenfreude as we watch 95% of the last 2 Liberal Governments be indited for crimes against humanity & warrants for their arrest issued, forcing them into exile.

The question will be then does the government freeze their assets & cancel their entitlements?

Good enough for Slobodan Milošević good enough for this lot of would be dictators

Does it hurt when you jerk it ?

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Re: Abbott to upset long–standing convention
Reply #24 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 11:07am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 8:31am:

If you want transparency in an enquiry then they need all documents.

Sorry but why kick up a fuss unless there's something to hide???

I have no problem with opening them up.

Geez, you never think anything through, do you?

Destroy cabinet confidentiality (that is what apeman is doing and it is aimed at his ministers as much or more than at Rudd/Garrett/Gillard) and ministers will not feel free to speak up in dissent at cabinet meetings—the most vapid, stupid motions will get approved.

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Re: Abbott to upset long–standing convention
Reply #25 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 11:32am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 8:31am:

If you want transparency in an enquiry then they need all documents.

Rubbish. Firstly, it is a breach of cabinet confidentiality, and secondly, documents aren't needed with the wide-ranging powers that the witch hunt Royal Commission grants.

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Sorry but why kick up a fuss unless there's something to hide???

There's nothing to hide. A Royal Commission has wide-ranging powers of disclosure already.

Cabinet confidentiality exists for a reason.

Now imagine it's 2017, and the new Shorten government is seeking cabinet documents to give to one of several Royal Commissions that he is setting up - the handling of asylum seekers under the Abbott/Turnbull government, the AWB scandal, the invasion of Iraq and Abbott's perjury that led to the jailing of Pauline Hanson on false allegations.

Now think about it. Think carefully. Would you think that is okay?

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I have no problem with opening them up.

Only because you cannot see the implications and have no idea why cabinet confidentiality is important.

Think about this: PRECEDENT.

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Abbott to upset long–standing convention Reply #26 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 11:35am I say go for it...I am interested in what happened during the Howard years as well as whats going on right now in phony tonys cabinet. Lets get it ALL out in the open
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Fit of Absent Mindeness Gold Member Offline We need more fits of absent mindedness Posts: 1622 Brisbane Gender:	Re: Abbott to upset long–standing convention Reply #27 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 11:37am When this is turned on the current government and their supporters complain I'll be here to say "I told you so!". Release all the documents you want - this is a precedent which will come back to bite them!
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Reply #28 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 1:10pm

Before you don your cassocks and pronounce yourselves holier than thou, it may be time to pause and consider what documents might be handed to a Royal Commission.
There are some documents - Cabinet discussion papers, Cabinet Minutes - which are properly the subject of confidentiality. Far too long imo.
And there are documents, as may very well be the case here, which have been improperly stamped Cabinet in Confidence, such as letters from Baldy to Krudd, and without which a Royal Commission would not be able to deliver a judgement.
Time will tell.

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Re: Abbott to upset long–standing convention
Reply #29 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 1:16pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 11:35am:

I say go for it...I am interested in what happened during the Howard years as well as whats going on right now in phony tonys cabinet.

Lets get it ALL out in the open Cheesy

If there is a High Court challenge and it is struck down then all the cards or on the table.....All politicians will then know anything said in cabinet can he used against them!!!

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