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Re: When is enough, enough Street crime out of control
Reply #75 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 11:58am

Sparky wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 11:29am:

If they could go back in time would the pollies still bring middle easterners out here? What a stupid mistake that must be costing Australia millions upon millions of dollars a year. Dummies!!

What is this about , the difference would be that small as to be almost unmeasurable. Why does it all ways come down to this bs about race. Russia is probably the one of the worlds least culturaly diverves courtiers on earth look at crime there. Open minds solve problems closed minded bigotry does not help at all.

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Reply #76 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 12:06pm

Following on from the above, the ape-offender tossed projectiles at the victim's home after dark

The victim contacted the police help-line this time. Said she wanted the incident placed on record to establish continuity

The helpline responder, old-style, was excellent, apparently. Said she would send officers out. The victim said 'not necessary', but was advised she was right -- continuity of offences, no matter how trivial, needed to be established in case of further escalation

Two tiny, young female officers responded. Said there was nothing that could be done -- again. The victim asked 'why'?

The officers replied 'the rules have changed and make it very hard to impossible for us to stop or search offenders unless we can demonstrate just cause', etc.

The victim said she'd availed herself of current rules, which clearly stated police were able to stop and search etc. possible offenders, based on 'heresay'. And the strata management documents about the offender's prior offences which were attended by police, constituted 'heresay'

The female officers, mid-20's, 55 kilo weight tops, said there wasn't much police could do without 'evidence'

What sort of evidence, asked the victim. 'Photos' replied the officers

The victim replied there wasn't usually much prior warning of offences. People were taken by surprise and in shock. It was unrealistic to expect the public to take photos of offenders during an offence

' You could use your mobile phone' replied the officers

' I neither have nor want a mobile phone' replied the victim

' You should get one' was the advice. And the victim was advised to have cctv installed

Then the officers departed

The victim sent a commendation re: the two little female officers, saying they'd been very polite

A day later, the local constabulary emailed the victim to thank her for the commendation

A week later, the local constabulary emailed the victim demanding her name, phone number and address in relation to the complaints she'd sent to the Minister for Police, the Premier, etc. complaining of lack of proper assistance from the aggressive female officer and her partner who had not only done nothing -- had said there was nothing they could do -- and who'd chosen to take the word of a known thug and offender against the elderly victim

So career policing. The commendation was a feather in the cap of the senior officer, while the complaint was not. The victim and offender were considered incidental, clearly

The victim refused to respond to the constabulary's insistence on being provided her details. Instead, she awaits, some five months later, ANY form of response for the Ministers in question

The offending thug, meanwhile, stalks up and down immediately outside her property and continues his unimpeded and inevitable journey towards prison or the cemetery

and the cops continue to cluster around the closed police station in their souped-up cruisers, chatting away to each other, ignoring the public and waiting for the opportunity to be tv-style cops

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 112669 Melbourne Gender:	Re: When is enough, enough Street crime out of control Reply #77 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 12:16pm We need cops like Dirty Harry to clean up our streets of all the scum.
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Re: When is enough, enough Street crime out of control
Reply #78 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 12:21pm

More modern 'policing'

Local old couple take a walk each day. On the way home, they pick up groceries from the supermarket

On their way down the road to home, they are forced to walk out onto the road. Why? Because the local inhabitants (predominantly Italian) believe they have ownership of the footpath outside their homes

The street in question is busy and a 50kph zone. At the top of the street is the closed police station. By 'closed' -- it's closed to the public. It's actually filled with police however, eating Subway and chatting, etc. You can hear them as you pass. But if you need police assistance, you have to use a weird phone gadget in the wall of the station which puts you through to a police station approx. 4 kilometres away. All this as police sit inside the closed station, able to hear you asking for help from police in another suburb. Nice system, huh

So the old couple were nearly hit by speeding vehicles several times after being forced to walk onto the road by cars parked on the footpath

One day, remembering there were police actually out in the open up at the police station, the old guy made his way as fast as could

He got to the closed police station and yes, there was the same very fat cop leaning on a souped-up, unmarked police car, chatting to the plain-clothes cops inside the vehicle

He asked the fat cop (who could barely breathe and was red in the face -- we're talking corpulent) to get the owners of the cars on the footpath to remove them

The fat cop resented his chat being interrupted and told the old guy, ' There's nothing I can do about it. It's up to the council. You'll have to get in touch with the council'

The old guy protested, saying it was unlawful and dangerous for the cars to be always on the footpath. Someone was going to get killed, having to walk onto the road in face of oncoming traffic. Couldn't the cop get the cars removed ?

The fat cop and the bodgie-cop in the souped-up, unmarked car just treated him like a fly, the old guy said. He protested and said instead of sitting around in this expensive car, or loafing around inside the closed police station -- why the hell didn't they do something to protect the public who pay them?

The two useless cops looked at each other. Gee, a rebellious member of the public actually expecting them to DO something !

Finally, the fat, breathless cop said he'd go down later and have a word with the vehicles owners. Then, to make the old guy go away, he said he could give the cars owners a ticket? He phrased it as a question, as if this would be a world-changing and innovative approach

The old guy was tired. He made his way back to his wife who was waiting down the road. As they set off for home again, the souped-up, unmarked police car raced down the road past them doing well over 70. 'In pursuit' style. And that was it. Drove straight past cars parked on the footpath all up and down the street. Those cars are still parking there today, a year later. Nothing done. Speed limit not observed, especially by the cops racing up to grab a bite to eat at Subway

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Re: When is enough, enough Street crime out of control
Reply #79 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 12:32pm

More modern policing

Local resident, elderly woman, heard terrifying noises coming from the internal staircase leading from the basements. Semi-gated community. The stairs led from the basement to the rear of her unit and were for private use so residents could access their homes from the basement and vs versa

It was after two in the morning. The noises were semi-human. Very loud. Semi-screaming interspersed with guttural groans, muttering etc.

She phoned the police, terrified someone was being murdered either in the basements or in the stairs which opened into the back porch of her home

Seven or so police arrived. She led them via another route to the basements. The lower door of the stairs in question had been broken into. The police ran into the staircase. After lots of struggling and grunting, they emerged with the offender

Turned out he was out of his mind drunk. The woman was relieved no one had been killed in the stairs

The police were very gentle with him, less considerate of the resident

The police said they'd get back to her to provide her an event-number and information as to how the drunk stranger got into the locked basements after which he'd broken into her staircase

She never heard another word from the police. Nothing. Instead, she had to employ a locksmith asap to fix the busted locks on the staircase access

Seems to be a new trend. Not sure who's responsible, but it appears to be following the US and UK, whereby all sympathies, assistance and understanding lie with offenders/perpetrators as illustrated by the ludicrously lenient sentencing these days

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Re: When is enough, enough Street crime out of control
Reply #80 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 12:48pm

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An MP in the UK has stated publicly that under current circumstances, the public should be able to carry weapons for self defence

The manifestly obvious frame up of Martin Bryant and the Mossad run massacre in Port Arthur took Aussies' guns away almost in tandem with the equally obvious frame-up massacre of kiddies in the UK which was used to strip Brits of their right to carry weapons whereby they could defend themselves

Then we had 'love a crim, kick the victim' mentality training in the police academies, alongside rogue magistrates and judges who identify with killers, rapists and other scum and who impose upon them laughably lenient sentences -- if any sentence at all is imposed

Street crime could be addressed were the public armed

Yes, there would be a brief, correcting period during which bodies littered the streets

but once rapists, killers, muggers, thieves etc. got it through their skulls that THEY will get hurt -- then street crime would be rapidly reduced

And cops could remain as they are --- as revenue earners for State and Federal coffers

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Re: When is enough, enough Street crime out of control
Reply #81 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 1:09pm

PZ547 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 12:48pm:

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An MP in the UK has stated publicly that under current circumstances, the public should be able to carry weapons for self defence

The manifestly obvious frame up of Martin Bryant and the Mossad run massacre in Port Arthur took Aussies' guns away almost in tandem with the equally obvious frame-up massacre of kiddies in the UK which was used to strip Brits of their right to carry weapons whereby they could defend themselves

Then we had 'love a crim, kick the victim' mentality training in the police academies, alongside rogue magistrates and judges who identify with killers, rapists and other scum and who impose upon them laughably lenient sentences -- if any sentence at all is imposed

Street crime could be addressed were the public armed

Yes, there would be a brief, correcting period during which bodies littered the streets

but once rapists, killers, muggers, thieves etc. got it through their skulls that THEY will get hurt -- then street crime would be rapidly reduced

And cops could remain as they are --- as revenue earners for State and Federal coffers

I find your long winded irrelevant ranting extremely unhelpful you have spammed this topic and destroyed any productive discussion here.

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Re: When is enough, enough Street crime out of control
Reply #82 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 1:33pm

Rubin wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 1:09pm:

PZ547 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 12:48pm:

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An MP in the UK has stated publicly that under current circumstances, the public should be able to carry weapons for self defence

The manifestly obvious frame up of Martin Bryant and the Mossad run massacre in Port Arthur took Aussies' guns away almost in tandem with the equally obvious frame-up massacre of kiddies in the UK which was used to strip Brits of their right to carry weapons whereby they could defend themselves

Then we had 'love a crim, kick the victim' mentality training in the police academies, alongside rogue magistrates and judges who identify with killers, rapists and other scum and who impose upon them laughably lenient sentences -- if any sentence at all is imposed

Street crime could be addressed were the public armed

Yes, there would be a brief, correcting period during which bodies littered the streets

but once rapists, killers, muggers, thieves etc. got it through their skulls that THEY will get hurt -- then street crime would be rapidly reduced

And cops could remain as they are --- as revenue earners for State and Federal coffers

I find your long winded irrelevant ranting extremely unhelpful you have spammed this topic and destroyed any productive discussion here.

I disagree, but by all means, enjoy that vinegar sensation churning your gut

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 112669 Melbourne Gender:	Re: When is enough, enough Street crime out of control Reply #83 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 1:39pm PZ547, Quote: ludicrously lenient sentencing these days hang em.
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Re: When is enough, enough Street crime out of control
Reply #84 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 1:43pm

Rubin wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 11:58am:

Sparky wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 11:29am:

If they could go back in time would the pollies still bring middle easterners out here? What a stupid mistake that must be costing Australia millions upon millions of dollars a year. Dummies!!

What is this about , the difference would be that small as to be almost unmeasurable. Why does it all ways come down to this bs about race. Russia is probably the one of the worlds least culturaly diverves courtiers on earth look at crime there. Open minds solve problems closed minded bigotry does not help at all.

So there isn't a problem with middle eastern crime then rubin?

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Re: When is enough, enough Street crime out of control
Reply #85 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 2:10pm

The answer to street crime is to induce the police to spend more time arresting and confounding criminals instead of harassing innocent people.

Innocent people are easy and non violent, that is why cops love them so much compared to criminals who can be violent.

Put some cops only Cafe Bars out on the crime infested streets to get cops off their fat arses.

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Re: When is enough, enough Street crime out of control
Reply #86 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 2:21pm

Sparky wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 1:43pm:

Rubin wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 11:58am:

Sparky wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 11:29am:

If they could go back in time would the pollies still bring middle easterners out here? What a stupid mistake that must be costing Australia millions upon millions of dollars a year. Dummies!!

What is this about , the difference would be that small as to be almost unmeasurable. Why does it all ways come down to this bs about race. Russia is probably the one of the worlds least culturaly diverves courtiers on earth look at crime there. Open minds solve problems closed minded bigotry does not help at all.

So there isn't a problem with middle eastern crime then rubin?

Sparky don't be a loon yes there is but it's just one piece of picture there is a problem with Asian crime white collar crime hate crime , youth crime aboriginal crime the list goes on and on all together it crime committed by criminals if you got rid of all middle eastern crime there is still a huge issue with crime. That's why we can't fix it we keep trying to pin the issue on some small group, but the problem is bigger that that

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Re: When is enough, enough Street crime out of control
Reply #87 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 3:04pm

Rubin wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 2:21pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 1:43pm:

Rubin wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 11:58am:

Sparky wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 11:29am:

If they could go back in time would the pollies still bring middle easterners out here? What a stupid mistake that must be costing Australia millions upon millions of dollars a year. Dummies!!

What is this about , the difference would be that small as to be almost unmeasurable. Why does it all ways come down to this bs about race. Russia is probably the one of the worlds least culturaly diverves courtiers on earth look at crime there. Open minds solve problems closed minded bigotry does not help at all.

So there isn't a problem with middle eastern crime then rubin?

Sparky don't be a loon yes there is but it's just one piece of picture there is a problem with Asian crime white collar crime hate crime , youth crime aboriginal crime the list goes on and on all together it crime committed by criminals if you got rid of all middle eastern crime there is still a huge issue with crime. That's why we can't fix it we keep trying to pin the issue on some small group, but the problem is bigger that that

Yes, there's crime, always has been and no group can claim to be crime-free, agreed

Few years ago, in the mainstream media, they ran a piece about Bob Carr complete with a number of photos as illustration of the thrust of the piece

One of the statements to stick in mind referred to Carr as prepared to jump any time he was invited to a 'middle eastern' wedding, funeral, etc. And the photos illustrated this very well

Explanation given was the fact middle-easterners are very savvy and vote in blocks. The underlying message appeared to be that our politicians are prepared to do deals with voter blocks. And to gain those votes, they are required tit for tat fashion to make concessions in the interests of those who're providing them big chunks of votes

We saw it in the media at the last general election, where social media revealed middle easterners (in that case) were being bussed from place to place in order to vote multiple times. The politician/candidate who revealed that on information provided her by middle-easterners received death threats as result, according to the media

Ok. Rank and file Aussies on the other hand can't agree over politics as revealed by this forum alone. Every man for himself and as a rule, no politician is trusted by anyone but most of us favour one shonk marginally over another

Aussies don't work the political system

Aussies are not tribal

Middle easterners are

It would be naïve to claim the tribal system does not reap dividends when it comes to crime and lots else

A while ago (and it may still be online) an ex-copper ran a blog in which he stated government had made it difficult if not impossible for police and media to report the ethnicity of criminals -- this despite it was known there existed a Middle Eastern Crime division which was kept very active

The average Aussie commits a crime and his photo is in the news, his name is released

Migrant criminals and second/third migrant criminals enjoy protection under legislation

There was an uproar when one or two media sources revealed the gang rapists were ' Of African appearance'. Sydney Morning Herald complied with the edict that
'foreign' and migrant criminals should not be identified, on the other hand

In Victoria, head of police Nixon also skewed crime statistics by insisting police not identify migrant/foreign criminals, even when the crimes were grave. Instead, Victorian police and govt. depts. continued the lie that certain migrants were 'far less involved in crime than the host population'. This did not conform with what the public was personally experiencing. And the public's beliefs were finally confirmed when Victorian police and govt. depts. were forced to concede that the migrant group in question was nine times more likely than the host population to commit crimes, most of them of very violent nature

So what sort of 'equality' is our government intent on creating when certain ethnic groups are provided protections while Aussies are not?

And let's not perpetuate this false 'equality', eh? Because it's no good for the migrant groups concerned (who believe they can get away with blue murder) or the Aussie host population and their descendants

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39443 Gender:	Re: When is enough, enough Street crime out of control Reply #88 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 3:25pm Quote: Migrant criminals and second/third migrant criminals enjoy protection under legislation Link please.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 145627 Gender:	Re: When is enough, enough Street crime out of control Reply #89 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 3:59pm PZ547 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 3:04pm: Migrant criminals and second/third migrant criminals enjoy protection under legislation Which Act, or Acts, specifically?
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