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Reply #300 - Feb 8^th, 2014 at 9:02am

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 8:18am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 6:20am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 7^th, 2014 at 6:49pm:

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John Smith wrote on Feb 7^th, 2014 at 6:41pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 7^th, 2014 at 5:54pm:

Well as far as I know Marijuana is not physically addictive

rubbish

I question your sources Cool

lifes experiences ..... Wink

If you think you were physically addicted to pot you need a psychiatrist

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No SOB, it is you that needs a psychiatrist ... where did I say that I was ever physically addicted?

Where did i say you did? I said "if" which can be plainly seen in the quote since you gave the impression with your "life experiences" answer.

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Reply #302 - Feb 8^th, 2014 at 9:18am

Cliff48 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 7:31am:

The Indonesian courts, however, had the fact that she claimed the bag was hers and had no evidence to suggest she was not responsible.

If memory serves me correctly there was also the mysterious fact that all the CCTV footage in the customs hall on that day disappeared or wasn't recording because of a fault.

How very convenient.

And let's not forget she arrived at the custom hall 'with family and friends'. Any of the others could have been carrying that boogie board ...

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Reply #303 - Feb 8^th, 2014 at 9:19am

Cliff48 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 7:31am:

The Indonesian courts, however, had the fact that she claimed the bag was hers and had no evidence to suggest she was not responsible.

If memory serves me correctly there was also the mysterious fact that all the CCTV footage in the customs hall on that day disappeared or wasn't recording because of a fault.

How very convenient.

And let's not forget she arrived at the custom hall 'with family and friends'. Any of the others could have been carrying that boogie board ...

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Reply #304 - Feb 8^th, 2014 at 9:19am

Cliff48 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 7:31am:

The Indonesian courts, however, had the fact that she claimed the bag was hers and had no evidence to suggest she was not responsible.

If memory serves me correctly there was also the mysterious fact that all the CCTV footage in the customs hall on that day disappeared or wasn't recording because of a fault.

How very convenient.

And let's not forget she arrived at the custom hall 'with family and friends'. Any of the others could have been carrying that boogie board ...

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Reply #305 - Feb 8^th, 2014 at 9:19am

Cliff48 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 7:31am:

The Indonesian courts, however, had the fact that she claimed the bag was hers and had no evidence to suggest she was not responsible.

If memory serves me correctly there was also the mysterious fact that all the CCTV footage in the customs hall on that day disappeared or wasn't recording because of a fault.

How very convenient.

And let's not forget she arrived at the custom hall 'with family and friends'. Any of the others could have been carrying that boogie board ...

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Reply #307 - Feb 8^th, 2014 at 9:21am

Cliff48 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 7:31am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 6:51am:

Cliff48 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 6:40am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 6:35am:

Cliff48 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 6:21am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 6:10am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 5:36am:

10 years inside.

Hope her brother is proud of himself...

Why would she maintain her innocence for all these years while knowing that a confession in known to reduce sentences in Indonesia?

But then there's always the question of how didn't she know she was carrying an extra 4 kilograms in her body-board bag.

We know she isn't the sharpest pencil in the box but that extra weight would have been impossible not to notice.

Maybe she did notice. Just imagine you are trying to hurry up and get through customs and you pick up your board and move it to the counter - you think to yourself "thats a but heavy" then all hell breaks loose. Seriously it would have happened fast. You dont really think about it.

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That doesn't hold water.

She had to collect the bag (and probably place it on a trolley) and then lift it to the customs examination bench.

If she noticed a weight discrepancy all she had to do was to notify the customs officer.

I am not suggesting that all would have been smooth sailing from that point but it certainly would have gone a whole lot better for her.

Yes it does hold "water". You may be different from the rest of us and might be paying attention all the time and right on the ball to notify someone so quickly if your bag feels a bit heavy but most of us would maybe notice it but not really take it in because our mind is on other things.

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Many years ago I moved to Asia (for a number of years) with my job. At the time I had a friend at the AFP and I asked him about the stories of 'planted drugs' on travellers. He replied "Of course it happens, but its usually us incriminating someone we couldn't nail in Australia'. Hopefully he was joking, but I tell the story just to illustrate that planting of drugs was a well known story (even if it was a myth),

Schappelle had travelled to Indonesia several times previously and would certainly have been aware of their strict drugs laws and probably had heard similar stories.

While I lived in Asia I travelled around the region on a regular basis. I can assure you I would have noticed a 4kg weight difference with my bag. To my knowledge, Schappelle never mentioned a weight difference, but did claim at a later time the zipper on her boogie board had been tampered with.

Since we will never know the truth, we are left purely with our opinions, and on my experience you can see where I gen mine from.

The Indonesian courts, however, had the fact that she claimed the bag was hers and had no evidence to suggest she was not responsible.

It also could have been heavy to begin with - she could have stored anything in there . . . . .

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Reply #309 - Feb 8^th, 2014 at 9:58am

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 9:19am:

Cliff48 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 7:31am:

The Indonesian courts, however, had the fact that she claimed the bag was hers and had no evidence to suggest she was not responsible.

If memory serves me correctly there was also the mysterious fact that all the CCTV footage in the customs hall on that day disappeared or wasn't recording because of a fault.

How very convenient.

And let's not forget she arrived at the custom hall 'with family and friends'. Any of the others could have been carrying that boogie board ...

Before commencing examination, Customs officers ask standard questions to establish ownership, whether or not the passenger packed his or her own bag/s, etc.

BUT....lack of video evidence at the baggage counter.......no fingerprinting of the drug packaging........my mind abounds with evidentiary questions to which I'm guessing will never be fully answered.

Was Corby aware the drugs were there???? I don't know....

Did she take the rap for her father and/or brother??? Probably (my opinion )........

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Reply #310 - Feb 8^th, 2014 at 10:38am

Alinta wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 9:58am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 9:19am:

Cliff48 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 7:31am:

The Indonesian courts, however, had the fact that she claimed the bag was hers and had no evidence to suggest she was not responsible.

If memory serves me correctly there was also the mysterious fact that all the CCTV footage in the customs hall on that day disappeared or wasn't recording because of a fault.

How very convenient.

And let's not forget she arrived at the custom hall 'with family and friends'. Any of the others could have been carrying that boogie board ...

Before commencing examination, Customs officers ask standard questions to establish ownership, whether or not the passenger packed his or her own bag/s, etc.

BUT....lack of video evidence at the baggage counter.......no fingerprinting of the drug packaging........my mind abounds with evidentiary questions to which I'm guessing will never be fully answered.

Was Corby aware the drugs were there???? I don't know....

Did she take the rap for her father and/or brother??? Probably (my opinion )........

We can speculate about the possibilities, but whether Schapelle is guilty or she took the rap for a family member is mostly irrelevant - under the circumstances, the Indonesia court found the only possible verdict. She has done well to be released after serving just half her sentence.

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Reply #311 - Feb 8^th, 2014 at 12:34pm

Cliff48 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 10:38am:

We can speculate about the possibilities, but whether Schapelle is guilty or she took the rap for a family member is mostly irrelevant - under the circumstances, the Indonesia court found the only possible verdict. She has done well to be released after serving just half her sentence.

What a load of apologist nonsense.

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Cliff48 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics /> Posts: 2109 Canberra Gender:	Re: Schapelle Corby, parole decision.. Reply #312 - Feb 8^th, 2014 at 5:05pm Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 12:34pm: What a load of apologist nonsense. Smiles Herbert - you are entitled to your opinion, I am entitled to mine. Have a great day
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Reply #313 - Feb 8^th, 2014 at 7:10pm

Cliff48 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 5:05pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 12:34pm:

What a load of apologist nonsense.

Smiles Herbert - you are entitled to your opinion, I am entitled to mine.

Have a great day

Thank you, Clifford. That's most gracious of you. I'm sure we can resonate in harmony on a great many issues, but I'm currently in a mood to enjoy conflict and disharmony. It's the phases of the moon, they tell me.

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Reply #314 - Feb 8^th, 2014 at 7:32pm

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In a country where smuggling drugs in can result in the death penalty, she's lucky she got 9 years. You don't have to like or agree with their laws , but you do have to respect them. or alternatively, don't go to Malaysia

She went to Indonesia Grin

No one has taken into account the 2 attacks on Mercedes Corby .... all been swept under the carpet? very suss .... & if she did win a slander suit & got a big payout that would explain why she may have been a target for extortion perhaps?

None the less as a non citizen why would Schapelle not be deported after being released? Surely parole should only be applicable Indonesian citizens released early?

Never heard of foreigners convicted being released & told to stay in a foreign country .... usually they want all crims gone... deported.

There's more to this than meets the eye.

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