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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Wasting energy on climate change sceptics Reply #16 - Jan 28^th, 2014 at 1:50pm lee wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 9:32pm: Kevin Trenberth thinks the pause in the trend is caused by the El Nino. ... Is that what he said? Is that what Watts said he said?
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Reply #17 - Jan 28^th, 2014 at 2:03pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 11:26am:

Keep trotting that graph out Chimp.

Maybe one day you'll actually convince someone that it is 'how skeptics see' etc, rather than the opinion of a person so stupid he thinks that ALL climate skepticism is either paid for by the mythical 'Big Oil' groups, or is the result of religious fundamentalism..

Fundamentalism, world view, belief system, whatever. I've seen no rational reason for denying the judgement of the majority of the best qualified.

Of course, to some, it's obviously a conspiracy. In my view, the credibility of a conspiracy theory is inversely proportional to the necessary number of conspirators. From what I've seen, the Great Global Warming Conspiracy must be a doozy!

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Reply #18 - Jan 28^th, 2014 at 2:10pm

# wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 2:03pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 11:26am:

Keep trotting that graph out Chimp.

Maybe one day you'll actually convince someone that it is 'how skeptics see' etc, rather than the opinion of a person so stupid he thinks that ALL climate skepticism is either paid for by the mythical 'Big Oil' groups, or is the result of religious fundamentalism..

Fundamentalism, world view, belief system, whatever. I've seen no rational reason for denying the judgement of the majority of the best qualified.

Of course, to some, it's obviously a conspiracy. In my view, the credibility of a conspiracy theory is inversely proportional to the necessary number of conspirators. From what I've seen, the Great Global Warming Conspiracy must be a doozy!

Well no, there isn't a 'conspiracy' in the classic sense. Read the full text of the article lee link, the author puts it very well. It's simply human nature working.

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Reply #19 - Jan 28^th, 2014 at 2:16pm

# wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 1:50pm:

Is that what he said? Is that what Watts said he said?

'Leading climate scientist Kevin Trenberth has told reportingclimatescience.com that he believes the pause in global warming may be caused by long term changes in the Pacific Ocean.

Trenberth and colleague John Fasullo argue in a new scientific paper that the massive El Nino Pacific Ocean warming event that occurred in 1997 and 1998 triggered the pause. They say that the El Nino caused a large loss of heat from the deep ocean to the sea surface that resulted in a cooling of the oceans. Since then the deep ocean has been absorbing heat back from the upper ocean and so cooling the atmosphere.'

http://www.reportingclimatescience.com/news-stories/article/global-warming-pause-due-to-pacific-says-trenberth.html

See not Watts again. Roll Eyes

paranoia?

Edit: What's the point in putting links in plain sight, which you obviously don't read? To put your Skeptical "conspiracy" theory out there?

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Reply #20 - Jan 28^th, 2014 at 2:18pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 2:10pm:

# wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 2:03pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 11:26am:

Keep trotting that graph out Chimp.

Maybe one day you'll actually convince someone that it is 'how skeptics see' etc, rather than the opinion of a person so stupid he thinks that ALL climate skepticism is either paid for by the mythical 'Big Oil' groups, or is the result of religious fundamentalism..

Fundamentalism, world view, belief system, whatever. I've seen no rational reason for denying the judgement of the majority of the best qualified.

Of course, to some, it's obviously a conspiracy. In my view, the credibility of a conspiracy theory is inversely proportional to the necessary number of conspirators. From what I've seen, the Great Global Warming Conspiracy must be a doozy!

Well no, there isn't a 'conspiracy' in the classic sense. Read the full text of the article lee link, the author puts it very well. It's simply human nature working.

Is that really the way human nature works?

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Reply #21 - Jan 28^th, 2014 at 2:25pm

lee wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

# wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 1:50pm:

Is that what he said? Is that what Watts said he said?

'Leading climate scientist Kevin Trenberth has told reportingclimatescience.com that he believes the pause in global warming may be caused by long term changes in the Pacific Ocean.

Trenberth and colleague John Fasullo argue in a new scientific paper that the massive El Nino Pacific Ocean warming event that occurred in 1997 and 1998 triggered the pause. They say that the El Nino caused a large loss of heat from the deep ocean to the sea surface that resulted in a cooling of the oceans. Since then the deep ocean has been absorbing heat back from the upper ocean and so cooling the atmosphere.'

http://www.reportingclimatescience.com/news-stories/article/global-warming-pause-due-to-pacific-says-trenberth.html

See not Watts again. Roll Eyes

paranoia?

Edit: What's the point in putting links in plain sight, which you obviously don't read? To put your Skeptical "conspiracy" theory out there?

Not paranoia, just trying to figure out what you think you see. So what did Watts tell you to think?

Reduced Solar Output Is The Cause Of The Pause And Disguises True Warming Trend Says New Paper
Or are you saying that you now accept the consensus?

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Reply #22 - Jan 28^th, 2014 at 2:31pm

The Trenberth and Fasullo 2013 can be found here-

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2013EF000165/full

In the conclusion he references Kosaka and Xie (2013)-

'Yet they were able to reproduce many aspects of the observed changes from 1970 to 2012, including the changes in global mean temperature and the recent pause in warming,'

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Kosaka and Xie is a paper on the PDO.

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Reply #23 - Jan 28^th, 2014 at 2:36pm

# wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 2:25pm:

Reduced Solar Output Is The Cause Of The Pause And Disguises True Warming Trend Says New Paper

lee wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

Kosaka and Xie is a paper on the PDO.

So now we have two natural variables for the pause. Which you and Chimp_Logic have been denying.

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Reply #24 - Jan 28^th, 2014 at 2:43pm

lee wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 2:36pm:

# wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 2:25pm:

Reduced Solar Output Is The Cause Of The Pause And Disguises True Warming Trend Says New Paper

lee wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

Kosaka and Xie is a paper on the PDO.

So now we have two natural variables for the pause. Which you and Chimp_Logic have been denying.

Have I? Where?

I don't claim to know anything about climate science. For me, the only cogent facts are that the vast majority of the best qualified have a consensus opinion and no organisation of reputable scientists disagrees.

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Reply #25 - Jan 28^th, 2014 at 3:00pm

# wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 2:18pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 2:10pm:

# wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 2:03pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 11:26am:

Keep trotting that graph out Chimp.

Maybe one day you'll actually convince someone that it is 'how skeptics see' etc, rather than the opinion of a person so stupid he thinks that ALL climate skepticism is either paid for by the mythical 'Big Oil' groups, or is the result of religious fundamentalism..

Fundamentalism, world view, belief system, whatever. I've seen no rational reason for denying the judgement of the majority of the best qualified.

Of course, to some, it's obviously a conspiracy. In my view, the credibility of a conspiracy theory is inversely proportional to the necessary number of conspirators. From what I've seen, the Great Global Warming Conspiracy must be a doozy!

Well no, there isn't a 'conspiracy' in the classic sense. Read the full text of the article lee link, the author puts it very well. It's simply human nature working.

Is that really the way human nature works?

Yes, it really is, sadly.

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #26 - Jan 28^th, 2014 at 3:23pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 3:00pm:

# wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 2:18pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 2:10pm:

# wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 2:03pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 11:26am:

Keep trotting that graph out Chimp.

Maybe one day you'll actually convince someone that it is 'how skeptics see' etc, rather than the opinion of a person so stupid he thinks that ALL climate skepticism is either paid for by the mythical 'Big Oil' groups, or is the result of religious fundamentalism..

Fundamentalism, world view, belief system, whatever. I've seen no rational reason for denying the judgement of the majority of the best qualified.

Of course, to some, it's obviously a conspiracy. In my view, the credibility of a conspiracy theory is inversely proportional to the necessary number of conspirators. From what I've seen, the Great Global Warming Conspiracy must be a doozy!

Well no, there isn't a 'conspiracy' in the classic sense. Read the full text of the article lee link, the author puts it very well. It's simply human nature working.

Is that really the way human nature works?

Yes, it really is, sadly.

Nah, just the same bloke who's had the denysosphere all agog recently, playing up the uncertainty that nobody's denying and cherry-picking as usual. I'll stick with the vast majority of the best qualified, at least until one organisation of reputable scientists disagrees with them.

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Reply #27 - Jan 28^th, 2014 at 3:45pm

# wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 2:43pm:

Have I? Where?

Sorry, you do not appear to have used "no pause".
You have used "not cooler", posted articles denying a pause in response to such claims; with the addendum "Inconvenient truths seem to have querulous Conservatives soiling themselves."

But never actually stated "no pause"

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Reply #28 - Jan 28^th, 2014 at 3:47pm

# wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 3:23pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 3:00pm:

# wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 2:18pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 2:10pm:

# wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 2:03pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 11:26am:

Keep trotting that graph out Chimp.

Maybe one day you'll actually convince someone that it is 'how skeptics see' etc, rather than the opinion of a person so stupid he thinks that ALL climate skepticism is either paid for by the mythical 'Big Oil' groups, or is the result of religious fundamentalism..

Fundamentalism, world view, belief system, whatever. I've seen no rational reason for denying the judgement of the majority of the best qualified.

Of course, to some, it's obviously a conspiracy. In my view, the credibility of a conspiracy theory is inversely proportional to the necessary number of conspirators. From what I've seen, the Great Global Warming Conspiracy must be a doozy!

Well no, there isn't a 'conspiracy' in the classic sense. Read the full text of the article lee link, the author puts it very well. It's simply human nature working.

Is that really the way human nature works?

Yes, it really is, sadly.

Nah, just the same bloke who's had the denysosphere all agog recently, playing up the uncertainty that nobody's denying and cherry-picking as usual. I'll stick with the vast majority of the best qualified, at least until one organisation of reputable scientists disagrees with them.

No, climate scientists went from being ordinary drone researchers 'that guy in the lab down hall' sort of thing, to basic rock stars of the science world that everyone wants to talk to, and that heads of government listen, to pretty much overnight. Suddenly they are getting offered more money in one grant than they'd received in decades, plus all expenses paid invitations to dinners, symposiums and conferences in exotic places all around the world. Of COURSE that's going to have an effect on them, and if they didn't want it to continue, they'd need to locked in a rubber room for their own safety..

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #29 - Jan 29^th, 2014 at 9:45am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 3:47pm:

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No, climate scientists went from being ordinary drone researchers 'that guy in the lab down hall' sort of thing, to basic rock stars of the science world that everyone wants to talk to, and that heads of government listen, to pretty much overnight. Suddenly they are getting offered more money in one grant than they'd received in decades, plus all expenses paid invitations to dinners, symposiums and conferences in exotic places all around the world. Of COURSE that's going to have an effect on them, and if they didn't want it to continue, they'd need to locked in a rubber room for their own safety..

Can you substantiate any of that rant?

As I said, I'll stick with the vast majority of the best qualified, at least until an organisation of reputable scientists disagrees with them.

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