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Reply #15 - Jan 13^th, 2014 at 10:01am

Swagman wrote on Jan 13^th, 2014 at 10:00am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 13^th, 2014 at 9:58am:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jan 13^th, 2014 at 9:54am:

What about those who choose to be homeless? There are some, not many but even so, are they not worthy of consideration?

no ..

if they choose to be homeless, they live with everything that entails ... if I decide to go bush, and live in a tent and hunt my food, who are you to tell me I need help?

The Govt

do they?

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Street Homelessness Could Be Eliminated. Reply #16 - Jan 13^th, 2014 at 10:06am Try hunting in a national park. Try buying a rifle.
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Reply #17 - Jan 13^th, 2014 at 10:31am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 13^th, 2014 at 7:20am:

It would take very little money for City Councils to build army-style accommodation on Crown Land for the local homeless.

Attached could be shower-rooms, a medical ward, a dining room, laundry, common room, etc.

Simplicity itself.

It has ALWAYS only needed to be done.

But the will simply hasn't been there.

They could have used old State rail sleeper carriages. Most of those features are built in. But isn't this all being a little bit defeatist? I mean homelessness is due to high rents, not the lack of accommodation. And it all comes back to culture. Our need to cramp together in existing cities.

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Datalife Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2405 Gender:	Re: Street Homelessness Could Be Eliminated. Reply #18 - Jan 13^th, 2014 at 10:49am The history of free/low cost/socialised housing is that it is valued as highly as anything that is provided free. Socialised housing is particularly prone to burning down. But worth a try so long as they sprinkle them around, every experience with crowding poor people together is dysfunctional.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Street Homelessness Could Be Eliminated. Reply #19 - Jan 13^th, 2014 at 10:55am Swagman wrote on Jan 13^th, 2014 at 10:06am: Try hunting in a national park. Try buying a rifle. it's not like we have to worry about tigers etc ... My bow will suffice.
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Reply #20 - Jan 13^th, 2014 at 11:30am

I just wrote this - now here's a chance since I'm not home and can't damned upload it onto an email to send to myself... at home when I get there.. might need a little polishing, but I'm sure a few of you could do that for me with your witless retorts and occasional valid discussion point:-

"Government........ is like a family.. and should be running its budget in the same way.

The first thing a family does is feed its dependents... in this case those dependents include, along with the overly fat and pampered public servants and politicians and the like – the pensioners and the unemployed, the homeless, (just added, thank you) the students and such.

You see – the welfare and well-being level of those dependents is based entirely on the policies that the same government – and I draw no distinction between 'left' or 'right' here – has set in place over the lifetime of its existence. In fact, it is a perfect allegory to say that the unemployed etc are the creation of that government, and thus that government inherits the obligation to feed, clothe and house them adequately.

These are the offspring of government – same as your children are your offspring and you bend heaven and earth to give them the best. One thing you do NOT do is vilify your own offspring for being dependents.

Now – as I've stated before – just like any family – should Ma and Pa Government wish to purchase a new car, in the guise of, for example, F-22s and such – they may well have to borrow to do that, since this is a big ticket item.

To get a loan from the bank to buy the new car, they need to show that they have the wherewithal to pay it back, and without robbing the food from the mouths of their dependents.

So – borrowing should never be for any frivolous reason – such as to stake the chances of a few more already fat-handbagged women into politics or CEO jobs or any other job for that matter, to fund yet another junket for an already overfat politician or public servant with a snout deep in the trough when the whole deal can be done online or by phone, or to pay someone to stay home to have their own family.

And robbing the food from the mouths of the GENUINE dependent offspring of Ma and a Government should NEVER even be contemplated.

Would YOU starve your kids to give Mary up the road a shot at a CEO job, or to fund yet another overseas trip by a pollie or flunkey, or to give little Jenny in the next suburb the chance to stay home on full pay to have her kid?

Neither will Ma and Pa Government.. not on my watch."

One can but ponder the priorities of a government that spends a heap of cash on tennis - one of the most over-rated games in the world in my eyes - while people are sleeping out rough.

What IS the core business of government?

People first - luxury items like tennis courts to pamper a few are a very distant fourth or fifth.

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Reply #21 - Jan 13^th, 2014 at 11:38am

Datalife wrote on Jan 13^th, 2014 at 10:49am:

The history of free/low cost/socialised housing is that it is valued as highly as anything that is provided free. Socialised housing is particularly prone to burning down.

But worth a try so long as they sprinkle them around, every experience with crowding poor people together is dysfunctional.

Hence the Grappler (Ghost busters) Party policy of 'rent/buy deals for welfare housing' - not simply Rent/Wreck at your whim after a night on the piss with yer mates on drugs and an inversion of government housing into a simulacrum of downtown Beirut on a bad day. Holey Walls, Batman! And a full house barbecue.

The Housing Welfare recipient enters into an agreement under which, in return for payment, they develop equity in the home they are rent/buying - which thus engenders greater responsibility, less non-executive burnouts, and a sense of SOME future for the payer, who one day may OWN that HC home and even possibly move up as times change for the better.

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Reply #22 - Jan 13^th, 2014 at 11:43am

Datalife wrote on Jan 13^th, 2014 at 10:49am:

The history of free/low cost/socialised housing is that it is valued as highly as anything that is provided free. Socialised housing is particularly prone to burning down.

But worth a try so long as they sprinkle them around, every experience with crowding poor people together is dysfunctional.

Low cost housing, like welfare, is treating a symptom, which does not work in the long run. Governments should resign if they fail to solve these problems.

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Reply #23 - Jan 13^th, 2014 at 11:48am

Swagman wrote on Jan 13^th, 2014 at 9:21am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 13^th, 2014 at 7:20am:

It would take very little money for City Councils to build army-style accommodation on Crown Land for the local homeless

..better still, just put them in the army.

Been suggested for the 'king hitter' style to introduce some self-discipline (is there any other kind of discipline?) into these ratbags.

Failed on the issue of resources, including weaponry, to train, house and fit them out. We don't have it in the till, so Og help us in a genuine crisis, just around the corner and coming to a country near YOU!

Maybe we need to go to a sort of US Army WWII approach, and arm our combat arms to the teeth, while having the support arms trained in their work and a very basic use of weaponry.

Remember Saving Private Ryan and Corporal Upham....?? In real life he would have been armed with an M-37 bolt action - equivalent of the British P-14 but in 30.06 calibre. Fine bolt action, but not an M-1 (heavy barrel, pop-up peep sight, top-loading Mauser action - I had one as a ... not telling you)....

Point is - I can't see the seriously deranged taking too well to any institutionalised life - some PREFER the streets for some reason.

But as someone else said - these should be in the institutions now closed to sell of the valuable real estate - here in NSW that was a big Labrador thing under Carr - now they either self-medicate or they kill someone or they wind up in prison or they die on the street.

Good one, Bob - hope you've got enough in the till for your retirement. Might be a good policy to cut past politician's super payments and perks when they are receiving a certain amount of income from elsewhere....... the country could use that money......... to house the homeless........

Footnote:- Even in the Ia Drang 1966, Engineers attached were armed with M-14s and not the new M-16s that were replacing them. At the Albany shoot-out, the Cav swapped M-16s for M-14s to snipe the little...... sweat peas... who were massacring the wounded.

"Time comes I need one of them things .. there'll be plenty of 'em lying on the ground"....

The M-14 makes a comeback in my WWIV book set in 2039-2045.....

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Reply #24 - Jan 13^th, 2014 at 11:52am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 13^th, 2014 at 7:20am:

It would take very little money for City Councils to build army-style accommodation on Crown Land for the local homeless.

Attached could be shower-rooms, a medical ward, a dining room, laundry, common room, etc.

Simplicity itself.

It has ALWAYS only needed to be done.

But the will simply hasn't been there.

Good idea.
Homeless people should be able to set up tents & shanty towns in public parks.

The Govt. doesn't let them because it is an eyesore &
shows how bad their own governance is.

It's preferable to hide them away as couch surfers & under bridges.

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Reply #25 - Jan 13^th, 2014 at 2:16pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 13^th, 2014 at 11:52am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 13^th, 2014 at 7:20am:

It would take very little money for City Councils to build army-style accommodation on Crown Land for the local homeless.

Attached could be shower-rooms, a medical ward, a dining room, laundry, common room, etc.

Simplicity itself.

It has ALWAYS only needed to be done.

But the will simply hasn't been there.

Good idea.
Homeless people should be able to set up tents & shanty towns in public parks.

The Govt. doesn't let them because it is an eyesore &
shows how bad their own governance is.

It's preferable to hide them away as couch surfers & under bridges.

Sounds HORRIBLY like a 'detention center' to me.

Curfews, segregation, forced work for no pay, run by maggots like
Serco, police constantly stationed on-site, forced 'health-checks' etc.

I can see it now.... unfortunately.

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Reply #26 - Jan 13^th, 2014 at 8:07pm

Well - we always knew the Guv would have to find a use for those onshore detention centres once the flow of asylum seekers dried up...

Load up them cattle trucks - Raus.. RAUS... or der dog vill bite you! Send 'em West for 're-settlement' - this new horde of desaparacedivos... taken 'em off the streets at gunpoint in a Night and Fog and let God sort 'em out in the gulag....

I seriously thought these would become 're-education centres' for wayward men who were not guilty of domestic violence but attacked and labeled anyway just to get their guns off 'em.... and 'dead-beat' dads with no jobs these days and last on the list for them anyway, who don't cough up massive child support after being booted from the family home... you know - those convicted under the 'usual suspect' non-laws......

Stalag Strasselebensuntermenschen IV (g) - ve haff vays of making your sleep in a cot!

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Reply #27 - Jan 14^th, 2014 at 6:23am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 13^th, 2014 at 7:20am:

It would take very little money for City Councils to build army-style accommodation on Crown Land for the local homeless.

Attached could be shower-rooms, a medical ward, a dining room, laundry, common room, etc.

Simplicity itself.

It has ALWAYS only needed to be done.

But the will simply hasn't been there.

People are making an assumption here, based on their own middle class perceptions. They are assuming the homeless want to live in homes. Not all of them do and not all of them would move in to accommodation, even if you provided it.
You have to allow people that amount of free will.

The man who was murdered need not have been out on the streets, he had in fact had a roof over his head some time before and chose to leave. He had been encouraged to return and had been considering it, but obviously was not in a rush.

A lot of these people have issues-maybe mental issues, maybe issues with drink or drugs-but you can chuck a deep bucket of money at the problem and still never eliminate it completely. Improve it yes, for those who would like shelter. That's about all you can do. But as for buying each of the homeless a little house? Nope, that's not on.

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